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If 30CP is the cap will you unsub?
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nodwemer_paleologist wrote: »JackDaniell wrote: »
When your first toon hits VR1 they will be awarded a flat amount of champion points (30) and then afterwards ant exp you gain, OR HAVE GAINED will reward you with more points. This means that a player with two V14 toons will have champion points equal to the exp to get two V14 toons.
Now the next question you may ask, how is this fair to players who have not leveled many toons or have not played a long tine on one v14? Champion points give diminishing returns when invested, so if you spend one point in a given "passive?" your point gives you 1% of that value, the next gives you 0.9%, then 0.8% ect. So a player with 1000 champion points will not be super superior to a player with 100.
I hope this helps clear up the confusion a thread like this has caused.
where did you hear that information? because that is Not what i heard said. all i heard said was that we would each recieve 30 champion points. at that point the conversation ended and changed to a different subject.
Go and watch it again and pay very close attention.Edited by timidobserver on December 21, 2014 10:47PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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prototypefb✭✭✭✭NoJackDaniell wrote: »This poll should be closed as the poll itself is based on incorecrt information. To clarify.
When your first toon hits VR1 they will be awarded a flat amount of champion points (30) and then afterwards ant exp you gain, OR HAVE GAINED will reward you with more points. This means that a player with two V14 toons will have champion points equal to the exp to get two V14 toons.
Now the next question you may ask, how is this fair to players who have not leveled many toons or have not played a long tine on one v14? Champion points give diminishing returns when invested, so if you spend one point in a given "passive?" your point gives you 1% of that value, the next gives you 0.9%, then 0.8% ect. So a player with 1000 champion points will not be super superior to a player with 100.
I hope this helps clear up the confusion a thread like this has caused.
Its not based on incorrect information in any way. It ask s a question, that is all. Why do people always try to add context that is not there. How the hell can it be clearer, if 30 is the cap will people quit. How is that ambiguous or based on false information?
I'm sure if you did a poll saying do you like polls with a yes or no answer, someone on here would say its biased or un representative.
I also suspect that no one here is in anyway confused to the context of the poll, most have posed umpteen times in various threads about the issue of the day.
Don't try to clear up other peoples polls with your thought police bull crap.
poll like this is sort of blackmail, it should be removed, just my 2 cents.
I'm sure ZOS have discussed enough internally details of awarding CP, you should just trust them2 -
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✭Noprototypefb wrote: »JackDaniell wrote: »This poll should be closed as the poll itself is based on incorecrt information. To clarify.
When your first toon hits VR1 they will be awarded a flat amount of champion points (30) and then afterwards ant exp you gain, OR HAVE GAINED will reward you with more points. This means that a player with two V14 toons will have champion points equal to the exp to get two V14 toons.
Now the next question you may ask, how is this fair to players who have not leveled many toons or have not played a long tine on one v14? Champion points give diminishing returns when invested, so if you spend one point in a given "passive?" your point gives you 1% of that value, the next gives you 0.9%, then 0.8% ect. So a player with 1000 champion points will not be super superior to a player with 100.
I hope this helps clear up the confusion a thread like this has caused.
Its not based on incorrect information in any way. It ask s a question, that is all. Why do people always try to add context that is not there. How the hell can it be clearer, if 30 is the cap will people quit. How is that ambiguous or based on false information?
I'm sure if you did a poll saying do you like polls with a yes or no answer, someone on here would say its biased or un representative.
I also suspect that no one here is in anyway confused to the context of the poll, most have posed umpteen times in various threads about the issue of the day.
Don't try to clear up other peoples polls with your thought police bull crap.
poll like this is sort of blackmail, it should be removed, just my 2 cents.
I'm sure ZOS have discussed enough internally details of awarding CP, you should just trust them
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✭✭✭✭Nodeepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »
I have canceled my subscription until further notice. I'm still waiting for an official answer on this issue and I'll make up my mind once I see it. For now I still have 2 weeks of game time left and I'm still doing the daily undaunted pledges and advancing crafting researchs.
I admit, however, that this is the first time since the beginning that I spend so little time logged in on ESO during a weekend, apart from the ones that I missed because of RL stuff.
The Champion System was a great source of excitement for me and I was eager to test everything on the PTS, but if this 30 CP thing is true, that'll be the end for me.
Thank you @Garetth, I thougt I would be the only one voting yes on the poll.
What exactly do you mean by "30 CP thing." I am just curious as what you are basing your unsubbing on.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭✭Nono where in that eso Live was it said that you would get more then 30 cp.
the subject was changed and a different topic was started immediately after it was said that we would recieve 30 cp.
THAT is what people are upset about.
because we were told our xp was being recorded and to continue progressing as it would help us in the upcoming cp system. which clearly now we see was a Lie.2 -
kallistiGAD✭✭✭NoSince 90% of the people who voted said no, beginning to think this 30gate (@Jitterbug
) "I AM UNSUBBING!" rage is coming from a vocal minority. Argonian Maids Gone Wild
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✭NokallistiGAD wrote: »Since 90% of the people who voted said no, beginning to think this 30gate (@Jitterbug ) "I AM UNSUBBING!" rage is coming from a vocal minority.
That may have been the point of this poll, but don't say anything, poking them with sticks is more fun
Edited by Guppet on December 21, 2014 11:03PM2 -
Harleyquincey✭✭✭NoWhy would I?
I don't need to be put on top of some ranking in order to feel special. I am already special - to me at least. So yeah, doesn't really affect me the least. I am actually glad for those who don't have an equal amount of time to sink into the game as me and my mates have to begin at roughly the same starting point for the CS.
What did those who voted "Yes" expect? Being maxed out on the new CS when it launches? Having 10 more points? 100? 1.000? If someone's as good as he claims and so hardcore at this, he'll falcon punch the CS anyways and just waltz through it at max speed. So.. either those folks seem to have an odd misconception of "What is the playerbase? A ) People with 300+ hrs per week for gaming or B ) People with 15+ hrs per week for gaming?" (and how this affects balancing), or they are vain or maybe suffer some odd ego issues in my book.
See.. this is a game. So it's supposed to be fun. Imagine you're Average Joe and get to VR 10 when the CS launches. Suddenly, there's players who are 5.000+ game hours away from you and it even shows in their skillpoints / passives?
Seriously - if this was pretty much every. single. other. mmo. I have played, you'd be a) paying for 1.6 and b) not get any frigging headstart whatsoever.
I'll simply enjoy the bit of bonus and go do what I always do: Having fun.
Edited by Harleyquincey on December 21, 2014 11:07PMEU Server
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✭Nodeepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »No because that's not the cap? From my understanding you can get more CP by playing alts. Apparently you're able to max every constellation out, it just takes a very long time. As it should.
This.Venus Ocean - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Gixia - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Frances Demnevanni - Breton Dragonknight VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Raygee - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Lady Olivieri - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Donna Demnevanni - Breton Templar VR16, DC, Tamriel Hero
Elaine Benes - Breton Templar VR16, EP | Ray McCluck - Breton Sorcerer VR16, EP
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✭✭NokallistiGAD wrote: »Since 90% of the people who voted said no, beginning to think this 30gate (@Jitterbug ) "I AM UNSUBBING!" rage is coming from a vocal minority.
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If your employer wanted to reduce your salary by 5% and pretended that it doesn't matter because it's only a small amount, I don't think that you'd be very happy.kallistiGAD wrote: »Since 90% of the people who voted said no, beginning to think this 30gate (@Jitterbug ) "I AM UNSUBBING!" rage is coming from a vocal minority.
I still believe that Paul Sage, Eric Wrobel and Maria Aliprando, along with everyone at @ZOS want ESO to be a success and that they don't like when players jump out of the boat. I sincerely hope that even this tiny minority matters to them and that they will listen to our feedback.
The Champion System offers a ton of changes that look very exciting. I simply feel that this 30gate™ sadly eclipses everything else.Wololo.6 -
Ruben✭✭✭✭✭NoI won't unsub, but those 30cp will feel like a kick in the crotch for those of us who never stopped playing since the early access.DK Stamina DPS
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nobecause when we were told that our xp was being recorded, alot of people started working over time so they could be competitive in pvp and pve trials. to the best of ability with hard work allready performed. the same exact way it was that within 4 hrs of the new v14 that came out people were allready v14. and i remember asking in zone chat
"how the heck are people v14 when the cap was just raised with the patch a few hours ago?"
the answer was that people did all they could by any means to get that advantage and did it with legal and lawfull abilities iether by grinding on bosses or by quests.
and thats exactly what people have now been doing with what we were told was "recorded" xp and preparing for "again" that edge, that ability to be competitive in both pvp and pve.
i dont see that as a bad thing on our end for being angry about, i see that as a bad thing done to us by zenimax and they KNEW they were doing it and they KNEW we would be upset.1 -
Aoife32001✭✭✭✭NoI suspect the relatively few who unsub over this will (1) be back after a bit or (2) if they're not, they were likely hyper-competitive min-maxers who make up a very small portion of ESO's player base anyway. The loss to ESO will be minimal, as the issue is relatively unimportant to what seems to be the vast majority of players.
Yeah, I'd be annoyed if I had invested hundreds of hours thinking I'd get a massive jump on CP, but given past experience in life and in MMOs, I wouldn't have been shocked and enraged that it (maybe) didn't happen. Yeah, if Zenimix actually lied about it, that's one thing to be pissed off about and unsub over. However, something not turning out as originally intended (again, even assuming 30 is the max) does not equate with your being lied to. Plans change. As my family always said, "Life is what happens to your plans." Welcome to life.Edited by Aoife32001 on December 21, 2014 11:29PM0 -
YesHarleyquinceyeb17_ESO wrote: »Why would I?
I don't need to be put on top of some ranking in order to feel special. I am already special - to me at least. So yeah, doesn't really affect me the least. I am actually glad for those who don't have an equal amount of time to sink into the game as me and my mates have to begin at roughly the same starting point for the CS.
What did those who voted "Yes" expect? Being maxed out on the new CS when it launches? Having 10 more points? 100? 1.000? If someone's as good as he claims and so hardcore at this, he'll falcon punch the CS anyways and just waltz through it at max speed. So.. either those folks seem to have an odd misconception of "What is the playerbase? A ) People with 300+ hrs per week for gaming or B ) People with 15+ hrs per week for gaming?" (and how this affects balancing), or they are vain or maybe suffer some odd ego issues in my book.
See.. this is a game. So it's supposed to be fun. Imagine you're Average Joe and get to VR 10 when the CS launches. Suddenly, there's players who are 5.000+ game hours away from you and it even shows in their skillpoints / passives?
Seriously - if this was pretty much every. single. other. mmo. I have played, you'd be a) paying for 1.6 and b) not get any frigging headstart whatsoever.
I'll simply enjoy the bit of bonus and go do what I always do: Having fun.
actually i am not a "hardcore player" atm, and thats why i have more incentive to defend them. since i am NOT a hardcore player my time means more to me, because i have LESS of it. so if they applied this change to my small amount of available game time i know i would be livid. so i understand the inverse of having a substantial time invested. to me, my time has quality and their time has quantity. both require equal acknowledgment and a "equal" smattering of points isn't RIGHT for the party that has more time invested. fair is a myth that people use to divide a society.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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✭✭Yesdwemer_paleologist wrote: »"how the heck are people v14 when the cap was just raised with the patch a few hours ago?"
the answer was that people did all they could by any means to get that advantage and did it with legal and lawfull abilities iether by grinding on bosses or by quests.
and thats exactly what people have now been doing with what we were told was "recorded" xp and preparing for "again" that edge, that ability to be competitive in both pvp and pve.
i dont see that as a bad thing on our end for being angry about, i see that as a bad thing done to us by zenimax and they KNEW they were doing it and they KNEW we would be upset.
I was VR14 around day two (boo, I'm slow). At that time (update 4) there were fewer exciting options than today to level up.
- First I did all the quests in Upper Craglorn, which were the only new quests in the game for me at that time, but it wasn't enough to reach VR14
- Sanctum Ophidia and Dragonstar Arena were VR14, so I felt that I wouldn't make the most of those places if I didn't have the same level as the content.
- I tried doing some veteran dungeons, but it was hard to find other players to do them and they didn't give the undaunted heads at that time. All the loot was stil scaled to VR5 or VR10 and it was a bit boring to be honest.
- I went to Cyrodiil in the evening but didn't enjoy it that much and didn't get enough VP from it.
- In the end, I decided to do what I still hate: grinding stuff. At that time it was Hircine's, a dungeon in Lower Craglorn. I went in as VR13 and one hour later I was VR14.
Only then did I start doing Dragonstar Arena and Sanctum Ophidia, and it still took me weeks to complete them.
I hope this helps you understand the situation a bit more accurately @dwemer_paleologist.Edited by Gyudan on December 21, 2014 11:30PMWololo.2 -
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If your employer wanted to reduce your salary by 5% and pretended that it doesn't matter because it's only a small amount, I don't think that you'd be very happy.kallistiGAD wrote: »Since 90% of the people who voted said no, beginning to think this 30gate (@Jitterbug ) "I AM UNSUBBING!" rage is coming from a vocal minority.
False equivalency.
We aren't being paid less. Simply put, a brand new system is being put in place, and we aren't having the exp under the previous cap carry over. Likewise, if we had a level cap increase, I wouldn't expect the experience I acquired at cap to carry over to the new levels. Us getting a starting base for having a VR1 is good enough, imo.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nodwemer_paleologist wrote: »"how the heck are people v14 when the cap was just raised with the patch a few hours ago?"
the answer was that people did all they could by any means to get that advantage and did it with legal and lawfull abilities iether by grinding on bosses or by quests.
and thats exactly what people have now been doing with what we were told was "recorded" xp and preparing for "again" that edge, that ability to be competitive in both pvp and pve.
i dont see that as a bad thing on our end for being angry about, i see that as a bad thing done to us by zenimax and they KNEW they were doing it and they KNEW we would be upset.
I was VR14 around day two (boo, I'm slow). At that time (update 4) there were fewer exciting options than today to level up.
- First I did all the quests in Upper Craglorn, which were the only new quests in the game for me at that time, but it wasn't enough to reach VR14
- Sanctum Ophidia and Dragonstar Arena were VR14, so I felt that I wouldn't make the most of those places if I didn't have the same level as the content.
- I tried doing some veteran dungeons, but it was hard to find other players to do them and they didn't give the undaunted heads at that time. All the loot was stil scaled to VR5 or VR10 and it was a bit boring to be honest.
- I went to Cyrodiil in the evening but didn't enjoy it that much and didn't get enough VP from it.
- In the end, I decided to do what I still hate: grinding stuff. At that time it was Hircine's, a dungeon in Lower Craglorn. I went in as VR13 and one hour later I was VR14.
Only then did I start doing Dragonstar Arena and Sanctum Ophidia, and it still took me weeks to complete them.
I hope this helps you understand the situation a bit more accurately @dwemer_paleologist.
i am in agreement with you, trust me i do fully understand you and i also did exactly what you just said you did, i did that also.
i wont unsub for it but i am prety upset that it was handled the way it's being handled.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nowe should get 30 cp AND then "ontop" of that any and all xp we earned since v1 will transfer over into cp
especially since we turned v14, any and ALL xp Should be transfered into cp.
That is fair, and that is what should have happened, and should happen. and should have been said so very clearly in thier eso live.
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✭✭✭✭✭NoJackDaniell wrote: »As you can see clearly here the player has invested 60 points into one star in one of the nine trees. Their are 8 stars in this tree. Now they had mentioned in the ESO live episode that you will be able to invest 100 points in each star, but for the sake of this argument lets juts use the number 60 as it is seen in the image. Now, this may not be correct but I believe you can only invest 1 point in the grand master star, so lets do the math.
60 x 7 (for 60 points in each star) = 420
Ehm...
There are only 4 stars you can put points intoi]talking about the screenshot of course, not whole champ system[/i. The other 4 are the passives that are automatically unlocked once you invest enough points in the 'tree'
Manual passives you can put points into:
- reduce cost of bash
- reduce cost of rolling
- reduce cost of stamina abilities
- one unknown (there was no mouse-over in the video)
Passives unlocked automatically:
- horse does not consume stamina out of combat
- you explode in a healing shower on death
- 20% increased inspiration gains
- bash has a 20% chance to snareEdited by Sharee on December 21, 2014 11:46PM3 -
Csub✭✭✭✭✭NoI like these "If *insert random stuff here* happens, will you unsub?" threads. We get at least one like this each month, usually about a patch that no player has got to try yet but some are already complaining about.Edited by Csub on December 21, 2014 11:46PM"The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No option for "I don't know" - but not sure yet.
I have two not vet characters left to level - If I feel like I can get all the points everyone else can with those two guys questing (my preferred method of playing the game in addition to doing dungeons when our group is on) then I guess it won't matter as much.
But if it's like an amplified version of undaunted passives where I watch people that haven't done content or new to content fly past me while I fight to level something, then I'll probably bow out.-- @xaraan --
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YesI like these "If *insert random stuff here* happens, will you unsub?" threads. We get at least one like this each month, usually about a patch that no player has got to try yet but some are already complaining about.
9 times out of 10 i completely agree. i think the difference is the sort of bait and switch that >MAY< have just occurred.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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If your employer wanted to reduce your salary by 5% and pretended that it doesn't matter because it's only a small amount, I don't think that you'd be very happy.kallistiGAD wrote: »Since 90% of the people who voted said no, beginning to think this 30gate (@Jitterbug ) "I AM UNSUBBING!" rage is coming from a vocal minority.
I still believe that Paul Sage, Eric Wrobel and Maria Aliprando, along with everyone at @ZOS want ESO to be a success and that they don't like when players jump out of the boat. I sincerely hope that even this tiny minority matters to them and that they will listen to our feedback.
The Champion System offers a ton of changes that look very exciting. I simply feel that this 30gate™ sadly eclipses everything else.
So,
lets assume they lift the cap and you could get 1000 points at start, do you honestly believe any Casual would stick with ESO?
The majority would say goodbye, as the distance between Casual and Nerd would be so huge, that no Casual would ever be accepted again in a group.
As a nerd you will get more points anyways as soon you start playing, a Casual gets one a day and you get 3 or 4 if you play 24/7. So you will still be the big player, no need to worry about that.
Maria said clearly, they don't want to separate the gamers when the system hits as this would cause a hell lot of issues. Besides that it would often benefit those who used exploits at the start.
In the end, every new addition in an MMO does reset the game, this is how MMOs work. It ESO is your first then this is ok, we all were new at one time. However, you need to accept these type of things if you play MMOs.
No matter how much you play today, it can mean nothing tomorrow. This is the MMO philosophy, accept it or move on.5 -
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✭✭✭NoHave multiple Veteran characters that are already done the quests in Vet zones.
Have my V14 main with almost every single skill and morph available maxed out. ie: My main has been incredibly active towards this so called experience tracking.
Have played for several hours almost every single day since Early Access. Out of work on disability, so have probably pissed away more hours in game than the average player. 8+ hour runs of ESO time are common for me.
Have zero issue with receiving only 30 points, even if a 1-month player with only a single v1 character receives the exact same amount.
It is a brand new system, there is no valid need or justification to pump accounts full of points.
If they decide to give me a ton of extra points for playing so much, okay. If not, okay.
What interests me is the choice of "30."
Am currently comprehending this a 10 warrior, 10 thief, 10 mage; enough to max out a single star and unlock the next star in one constellation of each type.
This seems like a really solid point of introduction for the system, and meets my approval."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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✭✭✭✭✭NoWhat interests me is the choice of "30."
Am currently comprehending this a 10 warrior, 10 thief, 10 mage; enough to max out a single star and unlock the next star in one constellation of each type.
You will have 10 points in the red area, 10 in the green area, and 10 in the blue area.
Each of those areas has 3 separate trees. Each of the trees has 4 stars you can put points into(and 4 more that are unlocked automatically as you spend points there), and each of those stars can hold 100 points max.
You will be able to unlock the first unlockable passive in each color (so 3) as long as you spend all 10 points (that belong to a color) in the same tree. For example, you have to spend all 10 green points in the steed (and none in the thief and lady which also are green) to unlock the first steed unlockable passive.0 -
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If your employer wanted to reduce your salary by 5% and pretended that it doesn't matter because it's only a small amount, I don't think that you'd be very happy.kallistiGAD wrote: »Since 90% of the people who voted said no, beginning to think this 30gate (@Jitterbug ) "I AM UNSUBBING!" rage is coming from a vocal minority.
I still believe that Paul Sage, Eric Wrobel and Maria Aliprando, along with everyone at @ZOS want ESO to be a success and that they don't like when players jump out of the boat. I sincerely hope that even this tiny minority matters to them and that they will listen to our feedback.
The Champion System offers a ton of changes that look very exciting. I simply feel that this 30gate™ sadly eclipses everything else.
So,
lets assume they lift the cap and you could get 1000 points at start, do you honestly believe any Casual would stick with ESO?
The majority would say goodbye, as the distance between Casual and Nerd would be so huge, that no Casual would ever be accepted again in a group.
As a nerd you will get more points anyways as soon you start playing, a Casual gets one a day and you get 3 or 4 if you play 24/7. So you will still be the big player, no need to worry about that.
Maria said clearly, they don't want to separate the gamers when the system hits as this would cause a hell lot of issues. Besides that it would often benefit those who used exploits at the start.
In the end, every new addition in an MMO does reset the game, this is how MMOs work. It ESO is your first then this is ok, we all were new at one time. However, you need to accept these type of things if you play MMOs.
No matter how much you play today, it can mean nothing tomorrow. This is the MMO philosophy, accept it or move on.
Well, if we get rid of the exaggerated 1000 points, starting off a vet 14 with more points than a v1 isn't that crazy sounding. (If your point doesn't sound as good without exaggerating, might not be a great point).
Plus, with the diminishing returns system in place, even a player with double the amount of points as another isn't twice as far ahead. They certainly shouldn't be shafting players with less content available to them (so-- no, they won't necessarily be able to earn all those points in the future unless you are talking to a grinder -- and you aren't in my case) to "even out" something that already has a system in place to deal with that issue.-- @xaraan --
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✭✭✭NoWhat interests me is the choice of "30."
Am currently comprehending this a 10 warrior, 10 thief, 10 mage; enough to max out a single star and unlock the next star in one constellation of each type.
You will have 10 points in the red area, 10 in the green area, and 10 in the blue area.
Each of those areas has 3 separate trees. Each of the trees has 4 stars you can put points into(and 4 more that are unlocked automatically as you spend points there), and each of those stars can hold 100 points max.
You will be able to unlock the first unlockable passive in each color (so 3) as long as you spend all 10 points (that belong to a color) in the same tree. For example, you have to spend all 10 green points in the steed (and none in the thief and lady which also are green) to unlock the first steed unlockable passive.
Just to clarify, Warrior is Red and contains the constellations of the Steed, the Lord and the Lady.
Thief is Green and contains the Tower, the Shadow and the Lover.
Mage is Blue and contains the Apprentice, the Ritual and the Atronach.
To my comprehension, the Warrior, the Thief and the Mage are not constellations within the colours, but are actually the constellations governing the colours.
Not clear on if they have an additional 9 passives (make 4 per colour) or not."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoWhat interests me is the choice of "30."
Am currently comprehending this a 10 warrior, 10 thief, 10 mage; enough to max out a single star and unlock the next star in one constellation of each type.
You will have 10 points in the red area, 10 in the green area, and 10 in the blue area.
Each of those areas has 3 separate trees. Each of the trees has 4 stars you can put points into(and 4 more that are unlocked automatically as you spend points there), and each of those stars can hold 100 points max.
You will be able to unlock the first unlockable passive in each color (so 3) as long as you spend all 10 points (that belong to a color) in the same tree. For example, you have to spend all 10 green points in the steed (and none in the thief and lady which also are green) to unlock the first steed unlockable passive.
Just to clarify, Warrior is Red and contains the constellations of the Steed, the Lord and the Lady.
Thief is Green and contains the Tower, the Shadow and the Lover.
Mage is Blue and contains the Apprentice, the Ritual and the Atronach.
To my comprehension, the Warrior, the Thief and the Mage are not constellations within the colours, but are actually the constellations governing the colours.
Not clear on if they have an additional 9 passives (make 4 per colour) or not.
Ouch. I meant tower, of course, not steed. (the one we saw at the live)
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