Combat resing i Cyro - Award the player who is resing?

Cogo · December 2014

Hi!

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
I got a question regarding combat resing in Cyro. Since the removal of camps, people are starting to res VERY well. To help your fallen comrades to get back to life can be critical to a mission, siege or just pure combat.

The mechanics themselves are good. Should cost a soul gem, and the one who res. gets interupted by getting hit. This is all good.

My questions is in 2 parts.
1. When you res an ally in Cyro. Do you get Ally points/exp or something for the player who did the res? Even if they are not grouped?

The big advantage in res, is of course to win the battle. That itself is reason enough to res your allies. (One would think)

2. If there is not any personal reward for the player who does the res, wouldn't a SMALL token, exp or ally point be a good idea? EVEN ONE ally point!

The soul gems are expensive and they should be.
It's one of the most powerful skills in the game that ALL players can res. I do not ask to change that.

Would it make sense to give the player who res any ally, grouped or not, some reward for doing so? Small reward, since winning the battle is a reward enough.

Lets say anyone who res someone gets 10 xp, or 1 Ally point. Not much.....but it WILL make others more aware to res people AND to keep more soul stones then 10! on them!

How about a small chance, like 1% for a successful res to an ally, the player who did the res have 1% chance to get a soul stone in "rewards for the worthy".

I must underline I am not looking to make soul stones cheaper or easier to res.
I THINK, if there are some incentive other then winning the battle, people simply would res more?

lolo_01b16_ESO · December 2014

You allready get ap for resurecting other players, no matter if they are in your group or not.

Roechacca · December 2014

You should get a Necromancer achievement lol

tinythinker · December 2014

roechacca wrote: »

You should get a Necromancer achievement lol

Yeah new achievements in Cyro would be a fun thing to see.

Kas · December 2014

afaik you currently get 20AP per rezz. this is somewhat strange, though, given that you get much more AP per repair action (especially wood). tweaking one or the other may be a good idea, but not really ciritcal.

Panda244 · December 2014

To be honest, I don't care about being rewarded, at least with AP. Like... Pshft, two days ago, Ariana Krishi.. Kirishi... idk

Was on Haderus, and kicking butt at the gate between Ash and Nikel, so I snuck up to my dead friend while some other sorc, I think it was a sorc, engaged Ariana, spent a good 20-25s trying to get Alurv back up, cause she'd keep shield charging me mid rez, but eventually I dropped CInder Storm on his corpse and rezzed him, then we killed Ariana. The reward was killing her, and getting Alu's gratitude. However now that we can buy gems with 3.6k AP rezzing IN combat should be rewarded, alot.

Psilent · December 2014

Panda244 wrote: »

To be honest, I don't care about being rewarded, at least with AP. Like... Pshft, two days ago, Ariana Krishi.. Kirishi... idk

Was on Haderus, and kicking butt at the gate between Ash and Nikel, so I snuck up to my dead friend while some other sorc, I think it was a sorc, engaged Ariana, spent a good 20-25s trying to get Alurv back up, cause she'd keep shield charging me mid rez, but eventually I dropped CInder Storm on his corpse and rezzed him, then we killed Ariana. The reward was killing her, and getting Alu's gratitude. However now that we can buy gems with 3.6k AP rezzing IN combat should be rewarded, alot.

How dare you! Not only do you strike down my DK idol but you rezzed Alurvelde. That alone is punishable by death, if he's dead he runs back. He doesn't get a free rez.

I'm not a happy panda right now. Watch yourself tonight...

Orchish · December 2014

Kas wrote: »

afaik you currently get 20AP per rezz. this is somewhat strange, though, given that you get much more AP per repair action (especially wood). tweaking one or the other may be a good idea, but not really ciritcal.

20AP? and we pay 3600 per soul gem. I'll leave them dead. Not really, i always rez my comrades.

LonePirate · December 2014

Kas wrote: »

afaik you currently get 20AP per rezz. this is somewhat strange, though, given that you get much more AP per repair action (especially wood). tweaking one or the other may be a good idea, but not really ciritcal.

May be a good idea? Heck, I think the AP you receive for resurrecting another player should be at least 200-300 AP. It is far too low right now.

Kromus · December 2014

I think soul gems are way expensive and if you want people to ress more, simply lower the cost of soul gems to 400-600ap, which is still more expensive than it was with forward camps. One forward camp was 7200 points and 20 people could ress, but now for same price you can ress only 2 people. Majority of players earn ~10-15k AP/hour which means all your ap earned is gone if you only ress 3-5 people per hour, without buying sieges, repairs, gear etc.

Actually, I think they should make ressurection in Cyrodiil not consuming soul gems at all, in same manner your gear is not damaged while in Cyro. While we're at it, throw some free tri-pots that works only in Cyrodiil and you will get people more focused on fight and fun, and spend AP on sieges, upgrading keeps and gear.

Kartalin · December 2014

If it were more proportional to the 3600 ap price I agree that would be better. I rez people when I can, still.

themizario · December 2014

If it was even close to 3k AP that would be an AP farm if there ever was one lololol

gw2only1b14_ESO · December 2014

Don't forget you also get another added bonus and reward!!! When you Rez a comrade....Instant Meat Shield yes you get your own pin cushion /Dps absorber so you can safely escape the zerg.

On a serious note I support those that rez and rez me .

OrangeTheCat · December 2014

Orchish wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

afaik you currently get 20AP per rezz. this is somewhat strange, though, given that you get much more AP per repair action (especially wood). tweaking one or the other may be a good idea, but not really ciritcal.

20AP? and we pay 3600 per soul gem. I'll leave them dead. Not really, i always rez my comrades.

Maybe if we use a soul gem to rez, we should recoup the cost of the gem. 20 AP doesn't cut it.

Roechacca · December 2014

People can buy soul gems from Guild stores in stacks . Also , filling them your self is always cheaper . Everyone has the ability free .

Panda244 · December 2014

Psilent wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

To be honest, I don't care about being rewarded, at least with AP. Like... Pshft, two days ago, Ariana Krishi.. Kirishi... idk

Was on Haderus, and kicking butt at the gate between Ash and Nikel, so I snuck up to my dead friend while some other sorc, I think it was a sorc, engaged Ariana, spent a good 20-25s trying to get Alurv back up, cause she'd keep shield charging me mid rez, but eventually I dropped CInder Storm on his corpse and rezzed him, then we killed Ariana. The reward was killing her, and getting Alu's gratitude. However now that we can buy gems with 3.6k AP rezzing IN combat should be rewarded, alot.

How dare you! Not only do you strike down my DK idol but you rezzed Alurvelde. That alone is punishable by death, if he's dead he runs back. He doesn't get a free rez.

I'm not a happy panda right now. Watch yourself tonight...

Can't kill me if you wanted to, I beat you 1v1 remember

And as I'm typing this my @ss is vibrating, hold the insults, gotta check muh phone

Lava_Croft · December 2014

Kromus wrote: »

I think soul gems are way expensive and if you want people to ress more, simply lower the cost of soul gems to 400-600ap, which is still more expensive than it was with forward camps. One forward camp was 7200 points and 20 people could ress, but now for same price you can ress only 2 people. Majority of players earn ~10-15k AP/hour which means all your ap earned is gone if you only ress 3-5 people per hour, without buying sieges, repairs, gear etc.

Actually, I think they should make ressurection in Cyrodiil not consuming soul gems at all, in same manner your gear is not damaged while in Cyro. While we're at it, throw some free tri-pots that works only in Cyrodiil and you will get people more focused on fight and fun, and spend AP on sieges, upgrading keeps and gear.

Combat rezzing can be done anywhere, even inside an enemy keep for example. While 20 people can respawn at a forward camp, those people will also (most of the time) have to travel back to where they died and continue whatever they were doing. It's perfectly fine that combat rezzing is more expensive than forward camps, since it often is also more beneficial.

Vizier · December 2014

Giving the gift of life is it's own reward..just sayin.

Would be happy for more AP though...just sayin.

Kromus · December 2014

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Kromus wrote: »

I think soul gems are way expensive and if you want people to ress more, simply lower the cost of soul gems to 400-600ap, which is still more expensive than it was with forward camps. One forward camp was 7200 points and 20 people could ress, but now for same price you can ress only 2 people. Majority of players earn ~10-15k AP/hour which means all your ap earned is gone if you only ress 3-5 people per hour, without buying sieges, repairs, gear etc.

Actually, I think they should make ressurection in Cyrodiil not consuming soul gems at all, in same manner your gear is not damaged while in Cyro. While we're at it, throw some free tri-pots that works only in Cyrodiil and you will get people more focused on fight and fun, and spend AP on sieges, upgrading keeps and gear.

Combat rezzing can be done anywhere, even inside an enemy keep for example. While 20 people can respawn at a forward camp, those people will also (most of the time) have to travel back to where they died and continue whatever they were doing. It's perfectly fine that combat rezzing is more expensive than forward camps, since it often is also more beneficial.

True, but than again all you need to pop camp in front of enemy doors is for one to sneak out and you can have instant squad of 20/40/60 people ready to charge back into action in mere minute, plus all the people that died who knows where could also spawn at camp and further reinforce attack/defense which is not the case with ressing. How much time would need to do same with combat ress? Also, if you are combat ressing there are high chances someone will see you and try to interrupt/kill which is not the case when sneaked off to lay camp without noticed. With camps one ress was 360 ap so my proposal of 400-600ap for soul gem is already more expensive, but 10x more expensive is crazy by my opinion and kills the action. Why there is no empty soul gems to buy for AP?

Sanct16 · December 2014

Maybe change it so it does only empty the soul gem. So after rezing a full soul gems is an empty soul gem.

Morvul · December 2014

personally, I believe that the "cost" of combat-rezzing is perfectly fine and does not need any adjustment.
However, I do think that it might be better if the soul gem has to be provided be the one beeing rezzed, not by the rezzer - even though that doing so would be ilogical from a lore-prespective.

Reasoning: when rezzing my guildmates, I don't care who has to pony up the soulgem, so of course I rez without a second though. But when rezzing randoms, who may or may not survive for more then 2 seconds after getting up, I unfortunately have to think twice about depleeting my soulgem stocks. It's usually still worth it to rez; but regardless: if the "victim" had to pay the cost, then everybody would rez...

Sublime · December 2014

I think an achievement for rezzing 1/10/100/1000/10'000 players would help a lot (people are greedy ;P).

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I think they are afraid to increase the AP gain for rezzing because players would start to kill each other over and over while a friend stands nearby, constantly rezzing his ally.

Imagine somehone has 100 soulgems and each rez gives 200 AP. Rezzing a player takes about 6-8 seconds and the killing can be done in less than 2 seconds. Which means that 10s=200 AP in exchange for 1 soulgem.

100*10s = 1000s = ~16 min
100*200 AP = 20'000 AP

=> 20'000 AP in 16 minutes
=> 80'000 AP in 1h

and that's at a rate of 200 AP per rez, so i suspect the low reward right now is okay.

Junipus · December 2014

I only res people once. If they die because they don't stealth right away then I leave them dead.

The 20 AP from ressing is fine enough since you can buy empty gems for 121 gold each and fill them with wolf souls in PvP.

Unless you're playing with a particularly sucky group, 100 gems for 12.1k should last at least a week if not longer, not to mention those that come with alliance gear in reward mails.

Cogo · December 2014

I did not know that resing gives 20 AP per res.
That's enough.

Resing should cost, since its so powerful in battle. If it was cheap and everyone had 2000 gems, then battle, tactics, combat and the whole Cyro war would change to simple zerg res.

No thanks!

I like Cyro as it is. Add more things and content! More skills! Give us the Imperial City so we can gank PvE raiders lol!!!

20 AP for res is good. How about add a 1% extra to get a soul gem when you get rewards for the worthy? We get a soul gem there sometimes. If you res someone you add 1% every time you res, to get a soul gem in the reward?

How does sound?

Kromus · December 2014

Cogo wrote: »

I did not know that resing gives 20 AP per res.
That's enough.

Resing should cost, since its so powerful in battle. If it was cheap and everyone had 2000 gems, then battle, tactics, combat and the whole Cyro war would change to simple zerg res.

No thanks!

I like Cyro as it is. Add more things and content! More skills! Give us the Imperial City so we can gank PvE raiders lol!!!

20 AP for res is good. How about add a 1% extra to get a soul gem when you get rewards for the worthy? We get a soul gem there sometimes. If you res someone you add 1% every time you res, to get a soul gem in the reward?

How does sound?

I don't agree. If you want more skills and tactics like you say, than you should give all participants equal standing point, which would in case of ESO PVP be free sieges, free soulgems, free tripots and free gear sets, all of which would be usable only in cyrodill ofc. When you have everyone on same level with logistic, only skill, tactic and group management wins the battle. Anything else in mmo is: Time invested > Skill, which is fine for PVE I guess but PVP should be all about show me what you can do, and not what you have.

Yes, ressing is powerful in battle, but it also brings risk off being killed in the process, which translates to more skills required to perform it or awareness from enemy to interrupt or kill you.

Sleep · December 2014

"ty" not enough?

Nicko_Lps · December 2014

While you are indeed right...Noobs need a "present" to ressurect others...
PVP players have no need on soul gems,at least i never had even when i was 2 months straight inside cyrodiil.

But i do agree with your post