Pay 5 dollars a month to speed up improvements to the game?
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GamerzElite✭✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.Nope, I am already paying them $15 a month to maintain servers and create new content. Before game launch Bethesda vice president Pete Hines already spoke to media, why they are charging monthly when most of MMO's are f2p.
Reference:
http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/12/5499556/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-needs-a-monthly-subscription0 -
Mightylink✭✭✭money =/= content, look at gw2 and rift pumping out content every 2 weeks on their f2p models
the problem was doing a subscription in the first place, did zenimax really think they could compete with wow, hell no it should of been f2p with cash shops for vanity itemsMightylink - Nord Battlemage (Sorcerer)3 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.Extra money just means the marketing guys that are the issue get bigger bonuses!“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy2 -
stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not every problem can be solved by throwing money after it. They are clearly short on competent developers, but hiring more people won't help for several months. Even if the new people were skilled and experienced, they would have no history with this custom game engine and its apparently messy code base, so they would need considerable time to get up to speed. Of course, I haven't seen the code, but the kind of bugs that appear and the effort and time it takes them to fix even seemingly simple, small things clearly indicates that at least some parts of the code are badly designed, badly written and badly documented. Programmers who come into the project at this time would have trouble learning the ropes, particularly if the people who are supposed to teach them are overworked or have left the company.
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Lord_Kreegan✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.For everyone assuming an annual salary level, dividing it by twelve (months in a year), and then multiplying by an assumed number of people to come up with an estimation of a month's costs; and then stating how many people ZOS can hire:
You've obviously never run a company or been in higher management.
Salary is only one component of personnel costs; there are also overhead and general and administrative costs (G&S). Add in the costs of the benefit package: health insurance, dental insurance, vision care, life insurance, Social Security and Medicare costs paid by the employer, contribution to the state uemployment funds for each employee, various taxes, vacation timee, sick leave, and perks like child care; all of that stuff (overhead) adds in another 40-60% on top of the salary. Add in the cost of supporting more people: office space, parking lot spaces, office furniture, heating/cooling/electrical/water/sewer costs that come with having staff, janitorial services, additional administrative staff, local networking/office computers/servers, additional office IT support, additional personnel management staff, additional logistics staff, additional management staff; and, of course, BONUSES; and you've got another 60-80% on top of the combined salary and overhead costs.
Total cost = salary cost x (1 + overhead rate) x (1 + G&A rate)
Been there; done that.
You can buy less than half of what you think you can.Edited by Lord_Kreegan on December 16, 2014 10:37AM4 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.200 million dollars was their initial budget. MONSTER budget. And you have to buy the game AND pay a sub.
HELL NOES.1 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.They don't need more money, they need better management.9 -
200 million dollars was their initial budget. MONSTER budget. And you have to buy the game AND pay a sub.
HELL NOES.
You shouldn't mind at all of their big budget. That money is theirs and theirs alone and don't give you any more right to complain about their business model (that is buy the game and play a sub)0 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.e.chiesa73b16_ESO wrote: »200 million dollars was their initial budget. MONSTER budget. And you have to buy the game AND pay a sub.
HELL NOES.
You shouldn't mind at all of their big budget. That money is theirs and theirs alone and don't give you any more right to complain about their business model (that is buy the game and play a sub)
Who's complaining? I'm saying they have more than enough money and that I won't pay even more money for them to waste it on [snip]tty console development.1 -
cazlonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭So are you saying that if ZoS had an extra 40 million dollars to spend they wouldn't know how to put it to good use to benefit the players?
They'd likely just pocket it, because that's kind of the point of running a company. You seem to have some very naive ideas about how such projects are run.1 -
Moonshadow66✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I'd probably leave the game.Isn't that why I pay $15 a month already for them to maintain servers and create new content
I just wanted to post the same.
And where I live it's 13€, which is about 1 monthly subscription fee more per year than in Dollars. (!)
So I really hope improving the game in an appropriate tempo is included already...Venus Ocean - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Gixia - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
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Ninnghizhidda✭✭✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.Seriously? Is this the root of the problems? Lack of "pocket money"?
They had more than enough millions available to get it right over months and years. And it is STILL the same old crapola, more or less, despite the "cosmetic" touches.
As far as I am concerned, I have been paying my sub, and for months now all I do is login for 5 min to check hirelings and such, and maybe once in a while play with one of the lowbies, since the simple fact remains, ESO is a great game for the lvl 1-50 and that's about it.
It is also a marvelous experience that can be done solo, again in the lvl 1-50 range. Anything else, and involving "serious partying" still sucks horribly, simply because ESO is a broken MMO, that still favours the "pro elitists", when it comes to builds, dps, and so on and on.
So, nope, ZoS already has received and receives a nice chunk of money and not a copper more is justified with the current state of affairs.0 -
Black_Wolf88✭✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.just because you want to pay more pr month doesnt mean there will be any improvements to the game.
more likely, the extra money would be pure profit and go directly into company/shareholder pockets."The key to immportality is first living a life worth remembering." -Bruce Lee1 -
eserras7b16_ESO✭✭✭✭Yes, as long as it was implemented well.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »if they balance the classes, and make my stamina nightblade do equal damage and equal survivability in pvp just like the dragonight, then yes i would definately pay $5.oo a month more with no complaints.
Please, Nightblades are best damage dealers at the moment.Eptackt - Argonian Templar
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Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭I'm already happy with ESO as it is.
I don't think they need to speed anything.
They are working insanely fast already, producing so much more content than their competitors on the market.
In just under 1 year we will have:
-Best justice system on the market (most don't even have one)
-One of the best progression systems
-More improvements and content for PvP department (it's already one of the best ever created)
-We already have the best graphics in the MMO market
-Best story and quests (swtor close, others far behind)
-etc.
If you are impatient, go ahead pay 2 subs, however don't expect anything more.
And the last thing, ZOS wouldn't be considering putting out more and more content if the game was losing subs. So it must be pretty steady somewhere 500k+.
Btw measuring ESO population based on PvP population is the wrong way to do it. PvP playerbase usually make only 1% of total playerbase. (By that I mean players that PvP everyday)
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Elloa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, but I'd put up with it.I don't want to pay more. 13 Euros by month is a fair price.
I'd not mind to have a sort of Kickstarted campaign on the side though where players could fond an improvement in the game if they wish. In that way rich/generous fan help the game, fond the area they find the most important for them and everyone beficiate from it!0 -
serenenightmare✭✭✭No, I'd probably leave the game.Considering how long most of us have put up with ZoS' inability to fix or provide anything new, except for bugs, in pvp, this company will not get another dime from me.
Their lack of knowledge revolving pvp and their careless attitude towards it, is disgusting. Its why so many have left and many more leave. My sub has been cancelled, along with many of my guild mates, until they can get their *** together. That being said, isn't this why we are paying a subscription already? $15 a month for a craptastic game where each new patch breaks something else and fails to fix any issues. Pay them more money to do it faster? You must be joking.Edited by serenenightmare on December 16, 2014 12:03PMv14 Sorcerer: Aerendyl Merith
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Former Empress of Thornblade, fourth cycle.
v14 Templar: Aeren-chan
v1 Dragonknight: Aelrindel Merith
v1 Nightblade: Arendelle Merith
No Mercy.
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GreyBrow✭✭✭✭Yes, as long as it was implemented well.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »if they balance the classes, and make my stamina nightblade do equal damage and equal survivability in pvp just like the dragonight, then yes i would definately pay $5.oo a month more with no complaints.
most average stamina bow nightblades I know out dps most average DK's i know2 -
dharbert✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »if they balance the classes, and make my stamina nightblade do equal damage and equal survivability in pvp just like the dragonight, then yes i would definately pay $5.oo a month more with no complaints.
most average stamina bow nightblades I know out dps most average DK's i know
Didn't you know? Any thread, on any subject on this forum has to have a DK whine/nerf thrown in there somewhere.0 -
pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭$15 is about the going rate for a p2p mmo. If they raised sub rates they'd be shooting themselves in the foot as less people would play meaning overall the income would remain roughly the same. Governments have similar issues with tax rates, raise them too high and people just start avoiding tax, the net tax rate stays the same. A false economy.
Anyway, suggesting giving Zeni more money when they've failed to live up to the standard promised for $15 a month is laughable.1 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why is there not a "hell no this is a ridiculous idea" option?
More bodies does not equal higher quality. Proper management of those resources does. I see it all the time in the working world.Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
Remembering better days of less RNG in all the things.2 -
Psychobunni✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I'd probably leave the game.I find it really strange that anyone would be willing to pay "more" for a product with problems. Its like hitting up your favorite drive thru and discovering while pulling away they completely messed up your order. Its still food(a game), its still edible(playable), but its not what you ordered....do you really walk in and say "hey, if I pay you more, can you make this right?"
On a side note, I have some bridges to sell these yes votes....
If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!2 -
Pallmor✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, but I'd put up with it.Considering ZOS's track record of breaking the game with major updates, the LAST thing they need to do is speed up changes.0 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Maybe... (leave answer below)Maybe just open a vanity shop for pets and people will (for whatever reason) throw their money at it.Daggerfall Covenant
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Ruben✭✭✭✭✭
But ZeniMax Media owns both Bethesda and Zenimax Online Services, I don't think Bethesda is funding anything here.Valen_Byte wrote: »Let alone the money Zos gets or got from Bathesda. (lets not forget there is Bathesda money backing this whole thing)
DK Stamina DPS
DK Magicka DPS
DK Tank
Templar Healer
Sorcerer Stamina DPS
Nightblade Magicka DPS
Nightblade Stamina DPS0 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yes, as long as it was implemented well.Considering there are around 700k people playing ESO that could be 3.5 million dollars in one month. That extra money could than be used to higher more people to speed up improvements and production to the game.
We could have more content faster and improvement to things faster such as better UI, horse ai, less lag, more graphics options, less bugs, or even user-requested improvements that don't effect gameplay.
Id by 15/mo mroe so my vote should count as 3.1 -
WhiskyBob✭✭✭✭✭You could also make a poll:
"5$/month to Pharmaceutical Corporation to help cure cancer?"
They would gladly take your money. But cure? Nah, theres no business in cure.2 -
SarenHakaariSoul ShrivenNo, I'd probably leave the game.No, No and finally NO!!! They get their money, now do the work, period. And I'm fine with paying a monthly fee. It seems to be the same problem as in Dayz. Focus on more content to keep people happy and fix bugs after. Grumbling is fine for them as long as people don't get fed up and leave.
Edited by SarenHakaari on December 16, 2014 4:22PM0 -
Stroggnonimus✭✭✭No, but I'd put up with it.No I wouldnt pay extra. ZOS already delivers a major update 1-2 months and 50 euros box price + 13 euros per month is already alot. And fast (and alot of) updates isnt the same as quality updates. So I definitely wouldnt want this.Whoever said that argonians aren't sexy, is obviously not a sexy argonian.
OG Argonian tank
BLOOD FOR THE PACT !0 -
Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭They don't need more money, they need better management.
The issue isn't necessarily the management.
It's the utter and total lack of understanding that class uniqueness is the boundary you function within while creating balance.
For example, if every class maintained a DoT and spammed a nuke that's homogenized. But if one class does that, it's fine. There's multiple ways to do this.
But more importantly, which is exactly the MO for Bethesda/Zenimax:
You have to fix bugs. Constantly. You can't let them linger.
My weapons still disappear from time to time. I still get bizarro issues where abilities won't fire.1