Global Auction addon, is it allowed? (ZOS - need your answer)

AlnilamE · December 2014

Razzak wrote: »

Than you are basically using a very, very limited trading. Limited in number of different buyers/sellers and even more limited in number of items.
I understand that V14 players have no need for anything but V14 items and a few general ones. That means you can use just a few of guild banks and be satisfied. What about other players, those that have yet to reach the end game? Would you consider your advice a good one for a leveling char?
It takes time to identify good guilds, if that is even possible with guilds constantly being being created and closed. So how much time should a new or leveling player invest into this trading game?
What is a good trading guild? How do you decide?

My two trading guids have stores in the level 16-22 and level 38-45 zones respectively and I make a point of posting set items of the appropriate level (and food and potions when I get around to it, but I usually have a backlog of set items to post, so those take precedence).

Edit: Fixing messed up quotes - didn't mean to quote myself...

zaria · December 2014

QuadroTony wrote: »

as i told - you dont need a right guild - you need a right guildtrader
thats why current economy system in ESO are VERY ABUSE-ABLE
you can re-sell different stuff and earn alot of money

Then you has to search the kiosks for items who is sold cheaply and sell in a place where they will sell more expensive.

Yes an AH will let you let people bid for items so you set starting price low and buyout price high. However ESO has far more loot than WOW, you will get many sellable items every day so you have to sell out the items fast to get room for new items.

TehMagnus · December 2014

In any case, this is a "beating the dead horse" subject. Every couple of weeks someone asks for global AH, and result is still no. ZOS thought of a totally different system BECAUSE they didn't want an Auction House and system is working perfectly so I don't see them changing it any time soon which is a good thing.

As for the initial subject no they don't impede it, it's just not practical so nobody uses it since it requires user imput and any automation is forbidden by terms of service.

Razzak · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Hope they never do a global AH. Current system is working fine and prevents global AH abuse. What they need to do is fix the UI so we can search with keywords and save previous searches.

Fine!? In what sense? Preventing abuse or something other?

It prevents usual abuse you can find in global AH like people buying off less pricey wares so that everybody has to buy from them at the price they establish, makes up for a more realistic trading system, allows people to find not so expensive stuff if they look well but also to actually make money without spending hours farming or hours studying the market.

Also makes up for a "free" economy where prices from people aren't based on the AH prices which means you can find stuff cheaper or more expensive, depending on how hard you look and how lucky you are.

I see. That kind of trading certainly is a problem. And it's certainly something that needs to be considered when thinking about trading in ESO, but the current solution is just that. A solution to prevent such trading from being too easy. It cetainly doesn't prevent it in general. You can still buy every piece of certain item and then resell that at higher price.

So, it's better by making such undercutting trading harder, but it also makes buying and selling for the large majority of players, harder. Those players that only want to buy and sell one or two things, without spending one or more hours traveling from one spot to another and clicking the same combination of buttons like a monkey, every single time.

There are other ways to prevent undercutting trading (or whatever such thing is called). What we see here is just the easiest way for devs. It's definitely not the best or even close to that. But, that is just my opinion.

Well once you know what the good guilds are and you get invited to them, there isn't much travel involved. In EU server Rawl Kha and Craglorn are the only places where you need to be selling or buying... If you can't find stuff there, you might as well try zone chat or trading guild chat.

Than you are basically using a very, very limited trading. Limited in number of different buyers/sellers and even more limited in number of items.
I understand that V14 players have no need for anything but V14 items and a few general ones. That means you can use just a few of guild banks and be satisfied. What about other players, those that have yet to reach the end game? Would you consider your advice a good one for a leveling char?
It takes time to identify good guilds, if that is even possible with guilds constantly being being created and closed. So how much time should a new or leveling player invest into this trading game?
What is a good trading guild? How do you decide?

Guilds with 500+ players actively selling & buying stuff and making the most money in the game, I call that targetted audience, and in fact it's not limited trading since it's actually the best trading guilds there are .

As for people who aren't max level yet, auction house won't help you. Best thing to do is buy you stuff on zone chat if you even need to buy anything (which you don't).

Interesting. Isn't the one that baloons prices the one that makes the most money? You know, the trader we were talking about earlier. The one that

magnusnet wrote: »

In any case, this is a "beating the dead horse" subject. Every couple of weeks someone asks for global AH, and result is still no. ZOS thought of a totally different system BECAUSE they didn't want an Auction House and system is working perfectly so I don't see them changing it any time soon which is a good thing.

As for the initial subject no they don't impede it, it's just not practical so nobody uses it since it requires user imput and any automation is forbidden by terms of service.

Working perfectly? For whom? A select few guilds and those that spend hours trading?
***'s blitzkrieg was also "working perfectly". Depends on what side you are looking at it from.

Razzak · December 2014

Working perfectly? For whom? A select few guilds and those that spend hours trading?
***'s blitzkrieg was also "working perfectly". Depends on what side you are looking at it from.

Faugaun · December 2014

Razzak wrote: »

Than you are basically using a very, very limited trading. Limited in number of different buyers/sellers and even more limited in number of items.
I understand that V14 players have no need for anything but V14 items and a few general ones. That means you can use just a few of guild banks and be satisfied. What about other players, those that have yet to reach the end game? Would you consider your advice a good one for a leveling char?
It takes time to identify good guilds, if that is even possible with guilds constantly being being created and closed. So how much time should a new or leveling player invest into this trading game?
What is a good trading guild? How do you decide?

Deconstruct, craft, you need to replace gear every few levels anyways...frankly I have been mostly just upgrading gear with quest rewards and loot from mobs only crafted 2 pieces and purchased one bow on the current character I am leveling up (level 40 at this point). Yeah sometimes my gear is below my level but it hasn't slowed down the leveling. If you are feeling like the gear from natural progression isn't enough then perhaps you are going to content to difficult or your build is not working as you intend. At level 40 I just finished green shade and moved to malabal tor (I think I have done 2 quests in balamal tor). This is just doing occasional PvP, completing quests, 3 delves and group dungeons for zones through reapers march. The rest is just getting all books gathering shards and completing all the quests in each zone. So really trading is only for endgame...even then it seems unnecessary as this puts everyone on equal ground .

QuadroTony · December 2014

^^^^ about this - i told before when you need low level ingredients - for crafting mules and hirelings for them
and its hard to find this kind of items at the guildstores

xaraan · December 2014

Barik wrote: »

Hopefully in a some form they make a larger base of people to sell to than 2500 max. Because MOST people don't have 5 Merchant Guilds with all active players. And it's more like they have 1200 people when 1/3 people not selling, 1/3 people not active.

There is a larger set up already - guild stores. I'm in one merchant guild and sell stuff to hundreds of different players in every alliance. You might not like guild stores (I personally hate the auction house idea) but don't be inaccurate to make your point.

QuadroTony · December 2014

i bet ZOS will change current system with guild stores, etc
but after alot of time, like year or two

GorraShatan · December 2014

Barik wrote: »

Hopefully in a some form they make a larger base of people to sell to than 2500 max. Because MOST people don't have 5 Merchant Guilds with all active players. And it's more like they have 1200 people when 1/3 people not selling, 1/3 people not active.

Um. You've heard that guild kiosks are in game now right? So you can sell to the whole game, not just guild members. Seriously. Anyone can go visit your kiosk.

Any trade guild worth its salt will have some sort of inactivity policy, usually between 5-30 days.

5 gold says that the reason the addon is gone is because the people behind it stopped updating it. Lots of addons have died that way. Let's take the tin foil hats off for now.

And seriously, people need to think a second before raging so hard on this game lol. There legit concerns, sure, but WAY too many people like to whine just to hear the sound of their own voice/typing. Seriously.

If you're having a hard time buying something rather than selling, head to Reaper's March. The guild stores there are generally the largest in game. Failing that, try your faction's capital city (Mournhold, Wayrest or Elden Root). Or ask in zone chat in a well populated zone (zones 1, 2 and 5 for your faction generally). Or ask in guild chat. This isn't rocket science.

As to "why u no have 1 big auction house?!?!" - to quote Investopedia: arbitrage squeezes profit from market inefficiency.

Because the market is inefficient by design, it gives you opportunities to make a profit through novel strategies. For example, there was (is?) that kiosk in Mistral that specialized in selling any and all trait items. Or the numerous people who refine raw materials and sell the products for a profit.

If you're raging about this, I have a hint for you: it's probably because you're doing something wrong (in which case ask for help! learning is good) or you need a couple of add-ons (Shopkeeper and Awesome Guild Store are musts).

It's not rocket science. Just because you haven't figured out trading in ESO doesn't mean there's something wrong with ESO. It means there's more to learn about the game. And I think that's awesome and interesting and great.

QuadroTony · December 2014

i feel bad for newbs and other begginers, or usual players who cannot figure out how to buy or sell smthing with profit, because complicated trade system is not user-friendly

GorraShatan · December 2014

Join a trade guild. Or a friendly guild with a kiosk. Then ask for advice. Plenty of people willing to give it.

Potenza · December 2014

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QuadroTony · December 2014

GorraShatan wrote: »

Join a trade guild. Or a friendly guild with a kiosk. Then ask for advice. Plenty of people willing to give it.

yes, but its just alot of time

Barik · December 2014

QuadroTony wrote: »

i selling blue motives for 1000g each, and its not Rawlkha or Craglorn
you just need to know some places

haha yah make a noob guild, invite 30-50 players and sell for 4-5 times inflated price.

Barik · December 2014

QuadroTony wrote: »

as i told - you dont need a right guild - you need a right guildtrader
thats why current economy system in ESO are VERY ABUSE-ABLE
you can re-sell different stuff and earn alot of money

So..... ur complaining that ur making too much money and the trade system is unfair?... the one your owning?

QuadroTony · December 2014

yes! its unfair
for other people

Barik · December 2014

GorraShatan wrote: »

Haha na but seriously im not having an issue with making gold.
I'm talking about convience for casual players or those who don't enjoy spending time "playing the market"
Honestly I kinda like the way the guildstores/kiosk are set up becuase it's even easier to exploit.

The problem with Kiosks is if your trying to find a particular item for sale that it can take ages. Same with zone chat.
I think a good fix to this is by adding more merchants in major cities and across the map and making them interconnected so maybe it doesn't matter where you are as long as ur in a specific region and go to one kiosk all the diffrent guilds who have one in that region would show up when you did a search.

But also I guess that's where an efficient trading addon could come into play if your looking for a particular item.

QuadroTony · December 2014

Barik wrote: »

QuadroTony wrote: »

i selling blue motives for 1000g each, and its not Rawlkha or Craglorn
you just need to know some places

haha yah make a noob guild, invite 30-50 players and sell for 4-5 times inflated price.

too close, but no

Razzak · December 2014

I guess those that earn a lot will always defend this sistem. Even to a point of calling it perfect, lol.

TehMagnus · December 2014

I've never been rich or gotten any money in any of the MMORPGs I've played for the last 15 years because of those same people who spend countless hours a day with the sole intention of reading the market and exploiting it to earn money at the expense of the casual players and the people who are actually playing the game and not the market.

With the current setup, it's the first time I've actually managed to make some money (granted, selling Legendary Healer rings for 250k and epic ones for 90k helps). Yet, you don't need to understand how the whole market works, you need to understand how the part of the market you belong to works which makes it more accessible to a majority of players with a less important investment of time. People who play the market still get the most out of it and are prolly the richest people in the game. People who play the game but spend a min amount of time studying the market and downloading the correct addons to track the market's movements can also make good money easily.

The end consumer wins in this situation since it takes him less time to earn money but he has also a chance to get fair and good prices if he's out of the "sphere" of influence of one of the guys playing the market.

The only people that would win if we had a global AH are the ones playing the market such as OP which is why he wants an AH, not because "it's unfair", but because: "I want more gold".

Viva as Guild Stores! Die you Market Vultures.

Razzak · December 2014

Yes, the naivety is running rampart in ESO.

Alphashado · December 2014

It isn't that hard to make gold in this game. In fact it's pretty damned easy and it requires almost zero effort.

Step one: Join a good active trading guild with a kiosk (guild vendor). It doesn't even have to be in a great location.

Step two: Level a few hirelings up to rank 2/3 or 3/3.

Step three: Sell the free purple and gold Tempers that your hirelings send you in the mail every other day on the guild store for 500-3500 gold each.

Optional step: Create alternate characters. gather a few skyshards, level up hirelings, sell even more free tempers.

Honestly people it isn't nearly as daunting as you make it out to be. Here is a conversation I had with a new player the other day:

New player: What is the fastest way to make gold?
Me: Either gather and sell crafting materials or just kill stuff and sell everything in your bags to the NPC vendors. You can make 1-2k even as a low level player just selling your loot to a vendor.
New player: Think someone will want to buy this level 4 green sword I just made?
Me: Na. Green items drop everywhere. Don't waste your time trying to sell them. Just deconstruct it or sell it to the vendor.
New player: But I crafted it, it's nice.
Me: Doesn't matter.
New player: What if I upgrade it to blue. Then will it sell?
Me: Don't do that. The tempers are worth more by themselves. Upgrade crafted items for personal use, or just sell the tempers for way more gold.
New player: How do I get tempers?
Me: Hirelings or deconstructing.
New player: What is the point in crafting then?
Me: To make great personal gear and a hobby.
New player: So how do I make gold then? This is stupid. What a dumb system.
Me: Dude, by now you could have a thousand gold worth of loot and/or farming materials in your bag. Just in the time we've had this conversation.
New player a few mins later: I just made this blue level 5 bow. How much you think it will sell for?
Me: Not much. 500g tops.
New player: WTF?? I used a ton of blue tempers to make it. This system is soo stupid. How am I ever going to make gold in this game. Why isn't there an auction house? Man this is dumb.
Me: /facepalm.

If people would just quit whining about no auction house and actually embrace the system, it is ridiculously easy to make gold in ESO. If you stubbornly refuse to adjust to the system, then you only have yourself to blame. Even w/o hirelings, or crafting, or deconstructing, you can make a ton of gold just going into a dungeon and filling your bags with loot.

But like I said, it takes almost zero effort to join a guild with a kiosk, level up some hirelings and sell your tempers for bank. This system works just fine. If you aren't making gold in ESO, you only have yourself to blame.

Razzak · December 2014

Alphashado wrote: »

It isn't that hard to make gold in this game. In fact it's pretty damned easy and it requires almost zero effort.

Step one: Join a good active trading guild with a kiosk (guild vendor). It doesn't even have to be in a great location.

Step two: Level a few hirelings up to rank 2/3 or 3/3.

Step three: Sell the free purple and gold Tempers that your hirelings send you in the mail every other day on the guild store for 500-3500 gold each.

Optional step: Create alternate characters. gather a few skyshards, level up hirelings, sell even more free tempers.

Honestly people it isn't nearly as daunting as you make it out to be. Here is a conversation I had with a new player the other day:

New player: What is the fastest way to make gold?
Me: Either gather and sell crafting materials or just kill stuff and sell everything in your bags to the NPC vendors. You can make 1-2k even as a low level player just selling your loot to a vendor.
New player: Think someone will want to buy this level 4 green sword I just made?
Me: Na. Green items drop everywhere. Don't waste your time trying to sell them. Just deconstruct it or sell it to the vendor.
New player: But I crafted it, it's nice.
Me: Doesn't matter.
New player: What if I upgrade it to blue. Then will it sell?
Me: Don't do that. The tempers are worth more by themselves. Upgrade crafted items for personal use, or just sell the tempers for way more gold.
New player: How do I get tempers?
Me: Hirelings or deconstructing.
New player: What is the point in crafting then?
Me: To make great personal gear and a hobby.
New player: So how do I make gold then? This is stupid. What a dumb system.
Me: Dude, by now you could have a thousand gold worth of loot and/or farming materials in your bag. Just in the time we've had this conversation.
New player a few mins later: I just made this blue level 5 bow. How much you think it will sell for?
Me: Not much. 500g tops.
New player: WTF?? I used a ton of blue tempers to make it. This system is soo stupid. How am I ever going to make gold in this game. Why isn't there an auction house? Man this is dumb.
Me: /facepalm.

If people would just quit whining about no auction house and actually embrace the system, it is ridiculously easy to make gold in ESO. If you stubbornly refuse to adjust to the system, then you only have yourself to blame. Even w/o hirelings, or crafting, or deconstructing, you can make a ton of gold just going into a dungeon and filling your bags with loot.

But like I said, it takes almost zero effort to join a guild with a kiosk, level up some hirelings and sell your tempers for bank. This system works just fine. If you aren't making gold in ESO, you only have yourself to blame.

I think I understand now. It's only an asumption, but it could be that those that are satisfied with this trading system are the ones that are in it for the profit. Like your example above, it is not about trading but making money. And there is a big difference between them.
Making money in any game or in real life, is a game itself. Trading is a simple procedure of buying and/or selling.
And this is where you and others like you, fail in understanding. I's not about the ability to make profit, it's about the freedom to buy and sell without much hasle.
Selling is limited by your sell list but it's still not so much of a problem as buying is.
Why? Because, depending on what you are searching for, you have to be extremely lucky to find the item(s) you want in one spot (zone). Let alone one trader. And this is the problem for anyone. Even those that are satisfied with trading in ESO. Let's face it. Not even one year into the game and there's an assumption that trading is really just an end game thing.
Why does it have to be? That is a direct result of what we have. People see that it takes an absurd amount of time to find even one thing (while they are leveling), so they don't do it. And many of them simply stop trading as it's just too much bother for even the simplest things. Many, not all.
I agree that it brings some protection from leachers and like, but why does it have to be so freaking time consuming to simply find an item you are looking for?

P.S. How does a new (or even not so new) player identify a good trading guild?

Alphashado · December 2014

#1. I'm not sure how or why it's such a hassle. You are not going to find every little thing you may need in any game or on any auction system. Most kioks are located around several others. That is several thousands of people selling tens of thousands of items. Sometimes you just have to go and get it yourself.

#2. Finding a good trading guild is easy. You only need 3 things to be a good trading guild. A full roster, active accounts, and a kiosk. People are constantly recruiting in zone chat. Especially the lower level zones. Even just mentioning in zone chat that you are looking for a good trading guild will get you either a referral or an invite.

QuadroTony · February 2015

i still hope some1 will make addon like this... and it become popular

QuadroTony · February 2015

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info916-ESO-Datenbank.deExportAddOn.html

looks like new site and addon for Auction Global idea started!
will see

dharbert · February 2015

@QuadroTony‌

For once I agree with you. I absolutely detest any and all addons, but if this is the only way I can get something resembling a global auction house, I'll use it.

LtCrunch · February 2015

The site was never very active, my guess is they discontinued it due to a lack of interest.

Vahrokh · February 2015

kewl wrote: »

Is ZAM updating any of it's ESO content anymore? Looks like allot of ESOHead info is outdated.

They always did for MMOs I played once they determine the MMO stopped bringing them enough players to keep the MMO related website running.

Usually you see it's bad omen when you see the long term subs being pulled off and ZAM specific MMO website being shut down. In some cases you'll also see 3rd party forums being shutdown as banners don't bring in enough money to justify the cost any more.

I have seen this there for painfully too many MMOs I have played :'( including some I loved a LOT.