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Global Auction addon, is it allowed? (ZOS - need your answer)
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hope they never do a global AH. Current system is working fine and prevents global AH abuse. What they need to do is fix the UI so we can search with keywords and save previous searches.Edited by TehMagnus on December 15, 2014 9:42AM4 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭
this system is very uncomfortableHope they never do a global AH. Current system is working fine and prevents global AH abuse. What they need to do is fix the UI so we can search with keywords and save previous searches.
aout second part - they will never do this because it handle by addons
- gogle - Awesome Guild Store for example
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭QuadroTony wrote: »
this system is very uncomfortableHope they never do a global AH. Current system is working fine and prevents global AH abuse. What they need to do is fix the UI so we can search with keywords and save previous searches.
aout second part - they will never do this because it handle by addons
- gogle - Awesome Guild Store for example
Awesome Guild Store search is limited to the current page you're looking at which isn't optimal at all. Moreover ZOS stated in my latest "Fix your UI" post that they would send it to the UI team so we can only hope it was true and they will indeed fix the UI. Guild stores don't need fixing.1 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭no, its not limited
try to search again
if you have 15 pages with recipes, AGS will find all results with keyword you search
i use this addon very long time and i know how it works1 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭QuadroTony wrote: »no, its not limited
try to search again
if you have 15 pages with recipes, AGS will find all results with keyword you search
i use this addon very long time and i know how it works
Not for me. When I search "Warlock" per example, it filters the current page. I have to click next on the bottom right to browse through pages and see if there are warlock items on other pages.
Works like a charm when there is one page of results, not so well when there are 10.0 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭
yes, the sameNot for me. When I search "Warlock" per example, it filters the current page. I have to click next on the bottom right to browse through pages and see if there are warlock items on other pages.
Works like a charm when there is one page of results, not so well when there are 10.
reported to the addon's author
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Barik✭✭✭A good idea for ZoS would be that when you look up a guild store from one of the limited places where one can sell items to the public, is to have ALL the guild stores that have bought around the world show up instead of only the one in that location...
or
Another good idea would be that in major cities theres is an entire section dedicated to guild store merchants so one wouldn't have to spend 3 hours just running around to the different stores on the world map.
I don't think one should make an addon like this because:
1- It will take a lot of time just to get around making it work efficiently without it being a burden, it would have to be VERY efficient and user friendly
2- Having to download a third party program will make a lot of people weary of using it.
3- It seems that ZoS is VERY active in fixing and improving things and they will probably refine the Guild Merchant so that it works very wellEdited by Barik on December 15, 2014 11:37AM1 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭A good idea for ZoS would be that when you look up a guild store from one of the limited places where one can sell items to the public, is to have ALL the guild stores that have bought around the world show up instead of only the one in that location...
or
Another good idea would be that in major cities theres is an entire section dedicated to guild store merchants so one wouldn't have to spend 3 hours just running around to the different stores on the world map.
I don't think one should make an addon like this because:
1- It will take a lot of time just to get around making it work efficiently without it being a burden, it would have to be VERY efficient and user friendly
2- Having to download a third party program will make a lot of people weary of using it.
3- It seems that ZoS is VERY active in fixing and improving things and they will probably refine the Guild Merchant so that it works very well
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but ZOS are anything but VERY active in fixing and improving things.0 -
Barik✭✭✭I disagree, I left the game after my month expired because I had a lot of issues with the game. After 5 months I returned and everyone of my issues had been fixed and they are adding in 2 new systems on the next update.... I have also noticed alot of extra subtle things that have been improved as well.
They might not have fixed everything in 6 months but I am very sastified with the improvements over 5 months... this is also coming from someone who was playing Destiny where there updates are a joke.2 -
Barik✭✭✭Also once they have the XBOX and PS4 version stable I'm sure they will be even quicker with updates0
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zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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Its way better, how good? Wildstar wanted to shift to an megaserver system, not sure if its done yet or if it turned out not being needed.NadiusMaximus wrote: »If an ah would cause major lag, more than already, then this game is/was *** from the get-go.
My thought exactly. As the times goes by I see less and less proof that this mega server is any better than normal server architecture. It offers us nothing more than all other MMOs without it.
Then you complain about few people in VR zones just imagine if the game had X servers you would get 1/X players in the zone.
Last an global AH would not cause lag in game, it would be an separate service,
It might however be slow and take an long time to load but would not affect the rest of the game, they might had to enforce an strict limit on items you could sell to keep everyone from dumping all their loot into it.
The main problem with one big AH is threefold, first most priced would fall, most players are most interested in selling things fast so they often underbid the similar items in AH, with limited slots this will be more of a problem as you have to sell things fast.
On the other hand rare items many need will skyrocket, its plenty of players with lots of gold.
Last it might be possible to play the AH, common for items who are used a lot but is pretty rare like some provision stuff. You buy up all items who are cheap to push the price up, then you sell them back expensive, if someone tries to press the price to far down you bid to raise it. This has been an serious issue in WOW.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, search for set name would be niceHope they never do a global AH. Current system is working fine and prevents global AH abuse. What they need to do is fix the UI so we can search with keywords and save previous searches.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭search already in the AGS addon, and i believe soon feature to search all pages will be implemented1
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
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It prevents usual abuse you can find in global AH like people buying off less pricey wares so that everybody has to buy from them at the price they establish, makes up for a more realistic trading system, allows people to find not so expensive stuff if they look well but also to actually make money without spending hours farming or hours studying the market.
Also makes up for a "free" economy where prices from people aren't based on the AH prices which means you can find stuff cheaper or more expensive, depending on how hard you look and how lucky you are.Edited by TehMagnus on December 15, 2014 1:30PM1 -
wsmith97ub17_ESO✭✭✭Global AH would be very welcome. I once thought the current umm, lack of a system would be good. It is just so clunky, I don't bother with buying anything there.It is the mind, that is the mind, confusing the mind. Do not leave the mind, oh mind, to the mind.2 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭about AGS addonsirinsidiator wrote:Unfortunately this is something that I cannot "fix". The API currently does not allow to filter guild store searches by text. I can only fetch one page at a time and filter the results locally.
Should ZOS ever change that and add some way to filter by text, I will adopt it as soon as they drop it on the PTS
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Razzak✭✭✭✭✭
It prevents usual abuse you can find in global AH like people buying off less pricey wares so that everybody has to buy from them at the price they establish, makes up for a more realistic trading system, allows people to find not so expensive stuff if they look well but also to actually make money without spending hours farming or hours studying the market.
Also makes up for a "free" economy where prices from people aren't based on the AH prices which means you can find stuff cheaper or more expensive, depending on how hard you look and how lucky you are.
I see. That kind of trading certainly is a problem. And it's certainly something that needs to be considered when thinking about trading in ESO, but the current solution is just that. A solution to prevent such trading from being too easy. It cetainly doesn't prevent it in general. You can still buy every piece of certain item and then resell that at higher price.
So, it's better by making such undercutting trading harder, but it also makes buying and selling for the large majority of players, harder. Those players that only want to buy and sell one or two things, without spending one or more hours traveling from one spot to another and clicking the same combination of buttons like a monkey, every single time.
There are other ways to prevent undercutting trading (or whatever such thing is called). What we see here is just the easiest way for devs. It's definitely not the best or even close to that. But, that is just my opinion.2 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
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It prevents usual abuse you can find in global AH like people buying off less pricey wares so that everybody has to buy from them at the price they establish, makes up for a more realistic trading system, allows people to find not so expensive stuff if they look well but also to actually make money without spending hours farming or hours studying the market.
Also makes up for a "free" economy where prices from people aren't based on the AH prices which means you can find stuff cheaper or more expensive, depending on how hard you look and how lucky you are.
I see. That kind of trading certainly is a problem. And it's certainly something that needs to be considered when thinking about trading in ESO, but the current solution is just that. A solution to prevent such trading from being too easy. It cetainly doesn't prevent it in general. You can still buy every piece of certain item and then resell that at higher price.
So, it's better by making such undercutting trading harder, but it also makes buying and selling for the large majority of players, harder. Those players that only want to buy and sell one or two things, without spending one or more hours traveling from one spot to another and clicking the same combination of buttons like a monkey, every single time.
There are other ways to prevent undercutting trading (or whatever such thing is called). What we see here is just the easiest way for devs. It's definitely not the best or even close to that. But, that is just my opinion.
Well once you know what the good guilds are and you get invited to them, there isn't much travel involved. In EU server Rawl Kha and Craglorn are the only places where you need to be selling or buying... If you can't find stuff there, you might as well try zone chat or trading guild chat.
Edited by TehMagnus on December 15, 2014 2:48PM0 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭i selling blue motives for 1000g each, and its not Rawlkha or Craglorn
you just need to know some placesEdited by QuadroTony on December 15, 2014 3:04PM0 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭
It prevents usual abuse you can find in global AH like people buying off less pricey wares so that everybody has to buy from them at the price they establish, makes up for a more realistic trading system, allows people to find not so expensive stuff if they look well but also to actually make money without spending hours farming or hours studying the market.
Also makes up for a "free" economy where prices from people aren't based on the AH prices which means you can find stuff cheaper or more expensive, depending on how hard you look and how lucky you are.
I see. That kind of trading certainly is a problem. And it's certainly something that needs to be considered when thinking about trading in ESO, but the current solution is just that. A solution to prevent such trading from being too easy. It cetainly doesn't prevent it in general. You can still buy every piece of certain item and then resell that at higher price.
So, it's better by making such undercutting trading harder, but it also makes buying and selling for the large majority of players, harder. Those players that only want to buy and sell one or two things, without spending one or more hours traveling from one spot to another and clicking the same combination of buttons like a monkey, every single time.
There are other ways to prevent undercutting trading (or whatever such thing is called). What we see here is just the easiest way for devs. It's definitely not the best or even close to that. But, that is just my opinion.
Well once you know what the good guilds are and you get invited to them, there isn't much travel involved. In EU server Rawl Kha and Craglorn are the only places where you need to be selling or buying... If you can't find stuff there, you might as well try zone chat or trading guild chat.
Than you are basically using a very, very limited trading. Limited in number of different buyers/sellers and even more limited in number of items.
I understand that V14 players have no need for anything but V14 items and a few general ones. That means you can use just a few of guild banks and be satisfied. What about other players, those that have yet to reach the end game? Would you consider your advice a good one for a leveling char?
It takes time to identify good guilds, if that is even possible with guilds constantly being being created and closed. So how much time should a new or leveling player invest into this trading game?
What is a good trading guild? How do you decide?0 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭i agree
for example i need to level my mule for provisioning, and i need few stacks of low level ingredients, but i cnnot find them in the stores, even in Auridone!
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
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It prevents usual abuse you can find in global AH like people buying off less pricey wares so that everybody has to buy from them at the price they establish, makes up for a more realistic trading system, allows people to find not so expensive stuff if they look well but also to actually make money without spending hours farming or hours studying the market.
Also makes up for a "free" economy where prices from people aren't based on the AH prices which means you can find stuff cheaper or more expensive, depending on how hard you look and how lucky you are.
I see. That kind of trading certainly is a problem. And it's certainly something that needs to be considered when thinking about trading in ESO, but the current solution is just that. A solution to prevent such trading from being too easy. It cetainly doesn't prevent it in general. You can still buy every piece of certain item and then resell that at higher price.
So, it's better by making such undercutting trading harder, but it also makes buying and selling for the large majority of players, harder. Those players that only want to buy and sell one or two things, without spending one or more hours traveling from one spot to another and clicking the same combination of buttons like a monkey, every single time.
There are other ways to prevent undercutting trading (or whatever such thing is called). What we see here is just the easiest way for devs. It's definitely not the best or even close to that. But, that is just my opinion.
Well once you know what the good guilds are and you get invited to them, there isn't much travel involved. In EU server Rawl Kha and Craglorn are the only places where you need to be selling or buying... If you can't find stuff there, you might as well try zone chat or trading guild chat.
Than you are basically using a very, very limited trading. Limited in number of different buyers/sellers and even more limited in number of items.
I understand that V14 players have no need for anything but V14 items and a few general ones. That means you can use just a few of guild banks and be satisfied. What about other players, those that have yet to reach the end game? Would you consider your advice a good one for a leveling char?
It takes time to identify good guilds, if that is even possible with guilds constantly being being created and closed. So how much time should a new or leveling player invest into this trading game?
What is a good trading guild? How do you decide?
Guilds with 500+ players actively selling & buying stuff and making the most money in the game, I call that targetted audience, and in fact it's not limited trading since it's actually the best trading guilds there are.
As for people who aren't max level yet, auction house won't help you. Best thing to do is buy you stuff on zone chat if you even need to buy anything (which you don't).0 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭
proofQuadroTony wrote: »i selling blue motives for 1000g each, and its not Rawlkha or Craglorn
you just need to know some places
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Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭QuadroTony wrote: »
proofQuadroTony wrote: »i selling blue motives for 1000g each, and its not Rawlkha or Craglorn
you just need to know some places
A bit expensive for common motifs isn't it? I usually get the same ones for less than 300g each. If I saw your prices on the market in ESO, I would call it a rip off.1 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If there was an AH, prices of blue motifs would be ~100g which is my whole point. No AH allows people to find good deals as much as a buyer than as a seller.Edited by TehMagnus on December 15, 2014 3:47PM1 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭as i told - you dont need a right guild - you need a right guildtrader
thats why current economy system in ESO are VERY ABUSE-ABLE
you can re-sell different stuff and earn alot of moneyEdited by QuadroTony on December 15, 2014 3:48PM2
