JaJaLuka wrote: »

Nice video Jack, there is another way to cancel the weapon swap as well which is to weapon swap > dodge roll. It ends up looking like you roll and swap at the same time and come out of the roll with your other weapon, it's an increadibly smooth animation when done right.

Thanks again for posting this I wish I could bump it to the top

JaJaLuka wrote: »

http://youtu.be/b-DnTDjOvsE

here you go, I quickly recorded an example terrible quality however lol.

Yeah, sorry for the double post I was looking around the forums and thought my comment had glitched out after it was missing... then I realised you had posted twice.

No problem thanks for the video!

Very helpful, thank you!

JackDaniell wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

And how is animation cancelling not a broken feature again?

I think because everyone has access to it and it takes quite some practice to master.

Both of this make it broken: Just my class should have it and it should be easy to use.

Seems like it's as much of an exploit as strafe jumping is in Quake.

It also feels a bit silly to me, but thanks for the video.

Is this really how they intended the game to be played? It seems like it's an exploit and they just don't know how to fix it so they don't do anything about it.

Nice tutorial. Didnt know that bash could be used to cancel animation.
But if I remember correctly you can use Block to cancel animation as well as everything else shown in the video. Your video didnt say anything about that.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌

This is what the game has been boiled down to? Animation cancel in order to reach high DPS, players are hitting X amount of DPS on average so content is designed with that amount in mind. The game itself then has content requiring you to cancel aspects of the game in order to get past dps checks placed in the game...

Might as well remove the animations, since they're being cancelled any way. Not only is clipping endorsed but then promoted and expected. Expected by the game itself.

In fact that's a question, has anyone done any end game content recently with out any clipping at all? Block casting is animation clipping (not just for mages but for tanks too keep in mind), crushing shock and rapid strike builds rely on animation cancelling.

Is that part of the balance issue? That certain weapons can freely clip while others have forced animations? Does that mean in the future I'll be able to spam weave wrecking blow and heavy attacks like we can rapid strikes?

I'm just curious which way the goal lies, to balance and allow cancelling for all or to remove it from all?

JackDaniell wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

And how is animation cancelling not a broken feature again?

I think because everyone has access to it and it takes quite some practice to master.

Kraven wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌

This is what the game has been boiled down to? Animation cancel in order to reach high DPS, players are hitting X amount of DPS on average so content is designed with that amount in mind. The game itself then has content requiring you to cancel aspects of the game in order to get past dps checks placed in the game...

Might as well remove the animations, since they're being cancelled any way. Not only is clipping endorsed but then promoted and expected. Expected by the game itself.

In fact that's a question, has anyone done any end game content recently with out any clipping at all? Block casting is animation clipping (not just for mages but for tanks too keep in mind), crushing shock and rapid strike builds rely on animation cancelling.

Is that part of the balance issue? That certain weapons can freely clip while others have forced animations? Does that mean in the future I'll be able to spam weave wrecking blow and heavy attacks like we can rapid strikes?

I'm just curious which way the goal lies, to balance and allow cancelling for all or to remove it from all?

@JackDaniell, @Whiskybob , @Kraven , I'm pretty sure animation cancelling will be going away with 1.6 and they new combat animations.

At least, the DPS benefit from it will. You'll still be able to cancel, but expect to perform the second action only.

If there was consistency in the connection from moment to moment, it would be different. Makes more sense to simply up the damage output of the weapon and eliminate the need for the cancel. To be fair, there should be no 'instant casts' either - as everything with any physical motion will take some amount of time, unless they introduce ambidexterity.

Give everything a cooldown, up the damage to compensate, then your skill is what your skill is. Nothing more, nothing less.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

At least, the DPS benefit from it will. You'll still be able to cancel, but expect to perform the second action only.

That would be kinda problematic.

For example, take my DK who fights by using light attack immediately followed by ransack. The light attack animation is cancelled and replaced by ransack animation - but the light attack damage is applied instantly, right as i push the button(at the beginning of the first animation).

For what you mention above (you only get damage from second action), light attack damage would have to be shifted to happen at the end of the light attack animation, rather than the beginning. And that would make combat feel clunky(basically light attacks would feel the same as heavy attacks do now). There would be an uproar about combat not being responsive - "i pressed button and nothing happened!"

For this reason, i do not expect animation cancelling to be removed.

Really great job man. Animation canceling is actually one of the few things that ZOS got right.It does indeed make the combat be way less clunky . Unfortunately from what I have seen we can expect them to bow down to the flood of whines at some point.