[REQ] Please give me the option to break free of Vampire Feeding

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO · December 2014

DeaconFrost wrote: »

Due to the recent buffs of WWs and nerf of batswarm, there are hardly any vamps around anymore.

I think I'm the last one and I'm strongly considering the purification of my own blood to make the race extinct

Have you been to cyrodil ? More vampires then you can shake a stick at

JaJaLuka · December 2014

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

I disagree. You should not be able to break free while being eaten. That doesn't make sense. I can understand wanting to break free of the stun that comes after, or even wanting feeding to be shortened, but you were unaware, not protecting your back, and not playing defensively. You should not be able to escape a feeding in progress. You already missed your opportunity to protect yourself. Keep in mind that while you may be entirely defenseless and vulnerable to attacks from all the vampire's friends, that vampire is in the exact same situation with your friends.

It should absolutely grant you CC immunity, I agree on that point. I had just assumed it did, because duh, but if it's not then the devs should really fix that. Has anyone reported this in game? The devs said they were going to fix fear so that it gives the proper CC immunity, so I think they'd be willing to fix this as well.

This is the biggest load of crap written so far. A nightblade can go into stealth and you have absolutely no way of stopping it because the skill is not blockable.

JaJaLuka · December 2014

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Certain gank groups know they are incapable of killing certain tanky/decent players so they resort to feeding on the player while the rest of their team finishes them off..

And therein lies one of the problems. Not just for yourself but for all other players of all classes who are used to being able to go 1vX without having to worry much.

People have found a counter to some of the more tougher players and now there's the obligatory nerf thread (or however you want to call it).

- If you're being fed on by gankers or others in 1vX situations, it's an effective counter.
- If you're being fed on in a 1v1 encounter, you're given a break to regen mana/stamina to continue the fight.
- If you're being fed on in a Xv1 situation then your teammates should be able to kill the vampire before the feed finishes. If not then you might want to talk to them about their DPS.
- If you're being fed on in a XvX situation then all it does it keep you out of the fight or make both you and the vampire the centre of the fight.

I do agree that there needs to be a change to the cooldown timer when being hit by multiple vampires so you can't be chain fed.

Killing 1vX'ers is not hard, they are unbelievably vulnerable for the majority of the fight, the most interesting thing is that people don't understand that some of these builds are far more powerful when surrounded by lots of people (take NB and sap essence for example) and they crowd in and wonder why the hell they are all dying

.
Stand back and range, or weave in and out of the fight if you're melee. The whole unbreakable CC concept is just rubbish and a game breaker though, should NEVER have to resort to this in game, it just shows how weak of a build you have created.

Nacario · December 2014

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

You already missed your opportunity to protect yourself.

That argument can be applied to any form of CC in the game. Feeding costs the Vampire nothing, so by giving people the option to break free of it and using some stamina to do so seems like a nice balance.

Actually it does cost something. Getting a feed off isnt as easy as one might think, esp when combat is on. I remember once trying and overextending in attempting to feed a robe sword n board dk while he was killing pugs. This got me killed in the process lol, and he wasnt even focusing me :'( *vamp tears*

Anazasi · December 2014

The real issue should be argued from the Fighters Guild Ability and passive line. Since, in that tree you have abilities that specifically are used to fight undead stuff, there should be a passive that you can spend points on that A. reduces the chance of feeding to you become immune from being feed on. 3 skill pts. 1/3 reduced chance for each point spent. The passive should also reduce the fear chance. Honestly if you are maxed fighter guild level you shouldn't be afraid of anything undead and smart enough to wear garlic around your neck.

MiyaTheUnbroken · December 2014

JaJaLuka wrote: »

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

I disagree. You should not be able to break free while being eaten. That doesn't make sense. I can understand wanting to break free of the stun that comes after, or even wanting feeding to be shortened, but you were unaware, not protecting your back, and not playing defensively. You should not be able to escape a feeding in progress. You already missed your opportunity to protect yourself. Keep in mind that while you may be entirely defenseless and vulnerable to attacks from all the vampire's friends, that vampire is in the exact same situation with your friends.

It should absolutely grant you CC immunity, I agree on that point. I had just assumed it did, because duh, but if it's not then the devs should really fix that. Has anyone reported this in game? The devs said they were going to fix fear so that it gives the proper CC immunity, so I think they'd be willing to fix this as well.

This is the biggest load of crap written so far. A nightblade can go into stealth and you have absolutely no way of stopping it because the skill is not blockable.

Being in stealth doesn't necessarily mean they will successfully feed on you. They still have to get behind you, and you still have ways to defend yourself. Back up to a group, back up to a wall, pop detection potions, spam AoEs, drop caltrops. All of these things can protect you from being fed on, so it seems there's at least five ways to stop it.

Shuichi · December 2014

You're taking all the negatives of being a vampire in order to feed. . there's your justification for being able to feed right there. I agree it should be breakable though. . .

When Justice drops and it becomes a crime to be a Stage 4 vampire I wouldn't be surprised if the vampire population drops.

Darlgon · December 2014

Shuichi wrote: »

When Justice drops and it becomes a crime to be a Stage 4 vampire I wouldn't be surprised if the vampire population drops.

Lol.. I actually expect it to go up. After all, some people think its awesome to be an outlaw.

Rudyard · December 2014

There is a group of AD in Thornblade that were chaining the feed attack last night.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · December 2014

Well I Intend on remaining a Vampire regardless as I am in it for the RP, I was not ingame last night, however I do feed off of other players when I get the chance as it can help kill "DKs" who keep healing themselves with "Green Dragonblood" (personally think that spell needs a delay like dark deal and the Templars healing spell) and feeding is the best way in PvP to keep my healing rate up by staying in stage 1 but to do it I have to be in perfect stealth right next to an enemy, that is not easy to do for some people, for those complaining about being fed on do know, a vampire can't move while feeding off of you and they do NOT heal from it unlike the drain spell, all it does is switch's their Vampire stage which is a necessity to survive as a vampire (at least your character's aren't forced to eat food) and once they have done it they are unable to use the drain spell on you and vice versa so instead why not become a Werewolf or something? from what I have seen I am unable to feed on other Vampires and magelight can help you see them coming up behind you if they are in stealth.

P.S... If you stand around like Cattle in PvP that is what you will become.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · December 2014

I don't even understand why there is any argument here.

Should there be unbreakable CC in the game?

YES/NO

ToRelax · December 2014

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

It's really not that hard to watch your back. I've never once been fed on.

Manoekin wrote: »

You should be able to break out of it. You can't even argue against it. It's a stun, and you should be able to break out of stuns. That's the end of it. Make it part of the fighters guild passives if you have to. If there's going to be a thread about how blazing spears is OP broken because it can stun you multiple times even though you can break out of it and the animation takes like 2 seconds for the spear to actually land... then we're going to add break free ability to this stun. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to control your character if the game mechanics say you are supposed to.

It's not not like other stuns at all. It's a CC that affects the caster just as much as the victim. The caster can not break it either. There is no other CC in the game that punishes the caster just as much as the intended victim.

I've never seen a group of vamps chain feeding on someone, but I do believe it would be overkill. I would not be opposed to setting some sort of immunity timer on it that is separate from the regular CC immunity. One that lasts longer and applies only to feeding.

you have never ONCE been fed on?

how do you play PvP? do you charge into the battle, or stay in stealth sniping people?

I play like I'm not an idiot. I charge into battle when appropriate, and stay in stealth sniping when I can. I follow groups of allies instead of wandering off on my own. If my target starts running I consider the possibility that he is bait instead of chasing him into an ambush. I watch my back constantly, especially at breeches. You know you can run while looking behind you, yes? Mostly though, it's a matter of not wandering off on your own. A vamp becomes just as vulnerable as their victim when they are feeding, so if you have allies with you it's unlikely they will take the risk to feed on you. Unless it's those groups of vamps y'all are talking about, which again, I've never seen.

And kudos to any vamp that manages to feed on a DK sitting inside his standard. That fire is no joke, and if you can survive 4 seconds of standing in flames, you are a much stronger vamp than I.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Well I Intend on remaining a Vampire regardless as I am in it for the RP, I was not ingame last night, however I do feed off of other players when I get the chance as it can help kill "DKs" who keep healing themselves with "Green Dragonblood" (personally think that spell needs a delay like dark deal and the Templars healing spell) and feeding is the best way in PvP to keep my healing rate up by staying in stage 1 but to do it I have to be in perfect stealth right next to an enemy, that is not easy to do for some people, for those complaining about being fed on do know, a vampire can't move while feeding off of you and they do NOT heal from it unlike the drain spell, all it does is switch's their Vampire stage which is a necessity to survive as a vampire (at least your character's aren't forced to eat food) and once they have done it they are unable to use the drain spell on you and vice versa so instead why not become a Werewolf or something? from what I have seen I am unable to feed on other Vampires and magelight can help you see them coming up behind you if they are in stealth.

P.S... If you stand around like Cattle in PvP that is what you will become.

What delay is there on "the Templars healing spell" ?

Yes, feeding does heal you.

I have been fed on despite magelight. It's ceertainly not as easy but still possible. When I have to use one spell to counter an unbreakable cc that even then will eventually work I feel something is not working as it should here...

Feeding is not a necessity to survive as a vampire. Some people want the life regen, some want the cheap batswarm.

If you don't feel forced to consume food in this game, I do understand why you may have to resort to unbreakable cc. Seriously, what are you comparing here, everyone has to eat food to not find himself in a heavy disadvantage.

Once they have done it they can't use the drain spell, yes. Not only because they can't use it after feeding on the same target but also because they most likely don't slot it and you are dead.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I don't even understand why there is any argument here.

Should there be unbreakable CC in the game?

YES/NO

No.
I would not mind if silence would work different in that way, so that you could purge it for example instead breaking it.
But no unbreakable cc in the end please

.