roechacca wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Also, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I think AoE across the board, including Impulse, needs a buff. I also think ult genration should go back to how it was and AoE caps should be removed.

That's how you bust zergs and it's why the game was less zergy in beta and shortly after launch.

Explain please if you will how lifting the AOE cap and buffing AOE's will stop Impulse train fighting techniques .

I'm not in the know an it's an honest question . No sarcasm intended .

Scamandros wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

It is one of the problems, when it comes to bad performance.

When there's a huge cluster of players spamming AoE and animations, the game needs to calculate which 6 will be taking dmg, heals or secondary effects. This adds more pressure on server capacity, eats memory and causes performance dips, delays and lag.

This isn't some conspiracy theory made up by players, the info comes directly from ZoS staff.

Alot of people say this but removing aoe caps isnt going to be the holy grail for fixing lag imo. There is no smart damage system that we know of so aoe attacks will hit the first 6 people that it finds within its radius and then stops, theres no more calculation needed.
Without aoe caps when you have more then 6 people within range the game goes through similar steps of applying damage, but this time doesn't stop until it has identified all players within the range and applied damage to all them, and theres no limit to how many players that could be.

I recall ZoS saying that they were reluctant to reintroduce camps with a respawn radius because it was a taxing calculation to work out whether people are within range.
Determining which players are located close enough to be within aoe circles centred at a caster would use similar algorithms, which would imply removing aoe caps would create more stress on the server as there is no "you have found 6 players now, stop calculating" alert.
For client side stuff image you now hit 12 people with a cast of impulse and the rng gods love you and apply burning to all 12. That is 6 more instantaneous graphical effects your system has to cope with then it does currently with a cap (of 6) in place does.

You can argue that remoal of aoe caps will be the end of large groups, or zergs as they tend to be called, and thus you will rarely if ever enconter a situation where you will hit more then 6 people at once. The issue here is the game revolves around keep capture, and the flags for those keeps are in fairly confined spaces.
Going in solo will get you mowed down by npcs or defenders, and going in with a zerg there will be too much incoming aoe for your healers to maintain. So ideally pushes are made in small to medium sized groups. But the other small to medium sized groups that would usually join to make a zerg don't simply disappear from the game, they have to be somewhere too, and most likely they will be at the same keep whether its running around the courtyard patrolling doors, controlling rooftops or taking the other flag.
The lag starts to be felt whenever there is a sizable force at a keep and gets worse as they circle into the courtyard and then the inner keep. Removal of aoe caps will discourage people being within 10m of each other, but will not necessarily keep groups massive distances away from each other during castle assaults which is when most of the lag issues arise anyway.

This is why I believe there to be an inefficiency in the underlying combat systems or cyrodil itself that is the culprit of the lag issues, not aoe caps.

Teargrants wrote: »

Hahahahaahhahhaaha, thanks for the laugh. AoE cap is most definitely part of the problem, the devs stated exactly that during the guild summit. They also stated their intended course of action - removing AoE caps on damage, but retaining the healing cap and ulti gen cap.

Keron wrote: »

Keep in mind that aside from (some) templar skills, the high HPS healing spells are also area based. So to make e.g. Healing Springs effective, you need to have 6 people in its target area. This will remain an incentive to clump up, especially with the smart healing system, since this means that no matter how many are clumped, it's always the right targets that get the healing.

If you remove the AoE caps, then the healing system either needs to be adjusted as well or you more or less invalidate all staff healers and reduce PvP healing to templars. Mutagen simply isn't strong enough on its own, especially since it can't be stacked even if cast by multiple players on the same target.