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So, THAT is your solution...
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People are leaving because the PVP is broken and your solution is to have even less people play........
Edited by Jaxsun on December 10, 2014 3:23AM 
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✭✭✭Morticide828 wrote: »wut?
They are lowering the PVP cap to just under threshold until they can actually figure out how to fix lag.6 -
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✭✭✭Morticide828 wrote: »ah. Well, a temporary fix is better than nothing, I suppose
Yep it's something they should have done a while ago. Better late than never? Maybe? I dunno.4 -
jeevin✭✭✭✭✭They lowered the cap by around 300 a while ago didn't they? Have they stated what that threshold number is?1 -
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✭It used to be 500 people per faction. Then I suppose it's 400 now, 1200 players in total. And with only one campaign reasonably active on each of the two servers, that sums up to not a lot of people.2 -
jeevin✭✭✭✭✭Ouch! Considering Eso was touted as the next big RvR from the magnificent minds that brought us Daoc. Failed hard.7
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bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭this is the most stupid solution to lagg I've ever heard.
they advertise it as lagg free big scale open world pvp, but they screwed up their own game so much, and the only way they can fix it is bij reducing players, well I would think the lagg would dissapear if it were like 10people per side on a map, but then again... big scale...
luckely with the lagg and screwed up low pop bonus, so few people are playing these days I hope there still wont be a QHaze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Morticide828 wrote: »wut?
They are lowering the PVP cap to just under threshold until they can actually figure out how to fix lag.
But that just sounds like a "temporary tax". They will reduce the population cap, it will temporarily "fix" the lag issue, and then.... that's it. It will stay that way because that is easier.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »this is the most stupid solution to lagg I've ever heard.
It is not a solution. It is a mitigation.
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Who are all these people that are leaving? I still see the same faces in pvp lol.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Chillic✭✭✭bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »this is the most stupid solution to lagg I've ever heard.
they advertise it as lagg free big scale open world pvp, but they screwed up their own game so much, and the only way they can fix it is bij reducing players, well I would think the lagg would dissapear if it were like 10people per side on a map, but then again... big scale...
luckely with the lagg and screwed up low pop bonus, so few people are playing these days I hope there still wont be a Q
Yeah, they should have just let us lag out through December until a potential fix comes in January as they stated.
I've been just as pissed as any about the quality of PVP but lets just see if this makes us enjoy Cyrodiil WHILE they continue working on the actual cause. May not be a bad thing to help kick up the pop in some of the other campaigns either.0 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭Its funny as some people just think all things are the end og the game and people are leaving and game is broken..
If all the people making post like that ESO should have around 0 subs haha.3 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Its funny as some people just think all things are the end og the game and people are leaving and game is broken..
If all the people making post like that ESO should have around 0 subs haha.
Its the same 6-10 people lol. They want to count for more and want to profess that their issue is everyones issue.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Jaxsun✭✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »Its funny as some people just think all things are the end og the game and people are leaving and game is broken..
If all the people making post like that ESO should have around 0 subs haha.
Its the same 6-10 people lol. They want to count for more and want to profess that their issue is everyones issue.
Lag is everyone's issue...4 -
Sylvyr✭✭✭✭✭I hope this is temporarily and that they spend more time in the future really sprucing up PvP to get it smooth and to large scale - either to original numbers or even more!
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✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Morticide828 wrote: »wut?
They are lowering the PVP cap to just under threshold until they can actually figure out how to fix lag.
But that just sounds like a "temporary tax". They will reduce the population cap, it will temporarily "fix" the lag issue, and then.... that's it. It will stay that way because that is easier.
Agreed, if they are going to have lower population caps, then they need to open up more campaigns, and maybe battleground style mini PVP as well.
But no variation on Huttball please (if you don't know what Huttball is, well ignorance is bliss).People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »Its funny as some people just think all things are the end og the game and people are leaving and game is broken..
If all the people making post like that ESO should have around 0 subs haha.
Its the same 6-10 people lol. They want to count for more and want to profess that their issue is everyones issue.
Lag is everyone's issue...
yes but i quoted someone who mentioned that some people think all things are the end of the game.
Lag was not an issue last night since this fix. Im not sure why everyone is so upset. Just wait in que or go to another server. Zeni is trying to alleviate the problem and this is the best they can do right now.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Jaxsun✭✭✭✭Its funny as some people just think all things are the end og the game and people are leaving and game is broken..
If all the people making post like that ESO should have around 0 subs haha.
Until the threshold was nerfed again yesterday, I haven't had a queue for AD thornblade during primetime for this campaign or the last, that is due in part to people quitting, I'm sure some switched campaigns too. That's NA Thornblade.0 -
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✭✭Maybe more people will actually play on the inactive campaigns now.:trollin:7 -
Jaxsun✭✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Its funny as some people just think all things are the end og the game and people are leaving and game is broken..
If all the people making post like that ESO should have around 0 subs haha.
Its the same 6-10 people lol. They want to count for more and want to profess that their issue is everyones issue.
Lag is everyone's issue...
yes but i quoted someone who mentioned that some people think all things are the end of the game.
Lag was not an issue last night since this fix. Im not sure why everyone is so upset. Just wait in que or go to another server. Zeni is trying to alleviate the problem and this is the best they can do right now.
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bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭mikeandsharrahub17_ESO wrote: »bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »this is the most stupid solution to lagg I've ever heard.
they advertise it as lagg free big scale open world pvp, but they screwed up their own game so much, and the only way they can fix it is bij reducing players, well I would think the lagg would dissapear if it were like 10people per side on a map, but then again... big scale...
luckely with the lagg and screwed up low pop bonus, so few people are playing these days I hope there still wont be a Q
Yeah, they should have just let us lag out through December until a potential fix comes in January as they stated.
I've been just as pissed as any about the quality of PVP but lets just see if this makes us enjoy Cyrodiil WHILE they continue working on the actual cause. May not be a bad thing to help kick up the pop in some of the other campaigns either.
I really doubt it will make much of a difference, if 2 enemy raids (24 vs 24) meet, and play the organized stack-&-spam way, whole server will lagg, its not like all people have to be at one spot before the server starts lagging, it happens way sooner than that, thats why I said if they would reduce the number to 10 per side maybe it would helpHaze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
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Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭Ahhhhhhh yeah!!! Let's get it going with another thread about how ESO isn't running at full capacity less than 1 year in. You guys tell ZoS how it is... Given that you're all well qualified game designers and that you've both built and played an mmo exactly like ESO that worked perfectly in 8 months."Shadow hide you"
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bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Jacques Berge wrote: »Ahhhhhhh yeah!!! Let's get it going with another thread about how ESO isn't running at full capacity less than 1 year in. You guys tell ZoS how it is... Given that you're all well qualified game designers and that you've both built and played an mmo exactly like ESO that worked perfectly in 8 months.
if you think its normal for a game we paid box price + 8x15 monthly subscription, to not be able to do anything when more than 30 people are at the same place... ok then
we are customers and expect a service of zos wich we pay monthly for, and they're not delivering
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http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/142784/just-had-a-fight-on-azuras-star#latest
so its not really helping I guessHaze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
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✭Its funny as some people just think all things are the end og the game and people are leaving and game is broken..
If all the people making post like that ESO should have around 0 subs haha.
The PVP population has DRASTICALLY dropped off and that's happened rapidly over the last month, you're the one who's wrong here. EU side we can barely fill a single shard now.
To address the main point, this really would have been a good idea a few months ago, I vaguely remember making a post about it, but right now I dunno. Not many of us to go around right now.AlexDougherty wrote: »
But no variation on Huttball please (if you don't know what Huttball is, well ignorance is bliss).
The new Hutball map is great and is frankly a big change on the same old, kill everything while an unkillable tank and guarder healer stand at a single objective point.Jacques Berge wrote: »Ahhhhhhh yeah!!! Let's get it going with another thread about how ESO isn't running at full capacity less than 1 year in. You guys tell ZoS how it is... Given that you're all well qualified game designers and that you've both built and played an mmo exactly like ESO that worked perfectly in 8 months.
I know right, because everyone should just shut up right, I mean who cares if people have paid money for a game that becomes unplayable during prime time and ZOS made claims that it could never happen in their game because their game wouldn't lag.
I mean, they are well qualified game designers right, people should just shut up and give them money.Edited by CapuchinSeven on December 11, 2014 11:01AM1 -
Jacques Berge✭✭✭✭bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »Ahhhhhhh yeah!!! Let's get it going with another thread about how ESO isn't running at full capacity less than 1 year in. You guys tell ZoS how it is... Given that you're all well qualified game designers and that you've both built and played an mmo exactly like ESO that worked perfectly in 8 months.
if you think its normal for a game we paid box price + 8x15 monthly subscription, to not be able to do anything when more than 30 people are at the same place... ok then
we are customers and expect a service of zos wich we pay monthly for, and they're not delivering
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http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/142784/just-had-a-fight-on-azuras-star#latest
so its not really helping I guess
Oh really? They don't constantly update the game? Add new content at kind of a breakneck pace compared to other games. You, know, they also didn't invite 20 or so of the most influential players to have a little pow-wow on how to improve the game... Man it would be cool if they did that. Gosh, to think, with all the moving parts, I must have been hallucinating all those times when I partook in Zerg v zerg combat and the game didn't crash. lol yeah, definitly didn't happen ever. Jeez... An man... To think we have to wait until NEXT year for the champion system.. 1 whole year!?!? Are you serious!?!? Yeah... A gosh, I hate it when ever pvp is smooth, cause there's definitely not a plethora of other content to explore. I wish we had a way to play with out friends in some sort of... Ugh, can't think of the word... Some sort of trying, dungeon like area we could test our skills and team work in a variety of situations, yeah, that would be awesome if this game has that. And it really sucks that you can only have one character too, sometimes I'd just like to start over but play a different style character. It breaks my heart that you can't do that in this game... Well, I have to start wrapping stuff up at work... So sarcastic rant over. Also, I need like 2 awesomes so if I could get those that would be great."Shadow hide you"
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✭Jacques Berge wrote: »
Oh really?
Ugh I stopped right there.
ZOS made claims their PVP game wouldn't lag, they said their game couldn't lag, it didn't need EU servers and lag wouldn't be an issue because of how they built the game.
Peak time, game lags so bad most nights over the last 3 weeks I've just logged off and questioned why I'm paying them money. It shouldn't be taking 20 seconds for a skill to fire.
People like you are the reason publishing houses think they can get away with pushing out patches and games before they are ready, they just simply know people like you will keep lapping it up.
ZOS said the PVP game wouldn't lag. It lags. It's as simple as that, EVERYthing else you've said is is totally unrelated.Edited by CapuchinSeven on December 11, 2014 1:39PM4 -
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✭Jacques Berge wrote: »Ahhhhhhh yeah!!! Let's get it going with another thread about how ESO isn't running at full capacity less than 1 year in. You guys tell ZoS how it is... Given that you're all well qualified game designers and that you've both built and played an mmo exactly like ESO that worked perfectly in 8 months.
Are you telling everyone who is not competent to do a better job to stop whining? Seriously?
Customers are paying professionals to do their job, and quite frankly, the developers are failing miserably at the moment. "Less than a year in" is way past the grace period where a game is given some leeway, and to add insult to injury, some of the problems are now getting worse instead of better.
If a restaurant serves you a burnt, inedible crisp instead of the delicious meal you ordered and paid for, does your party tell you that because you can't cook, you should shut up and eat what was served? Or do you just get up and leave? Or, perhaps, I don't know, maybe you call the waiter and complain, so they can at least try to do a better job and perhaps keep you as a customer? And if their response is "We have only been in business for eight months, just give us some time", what would your reaction be?
Now let's imagine the food wasn't completely inedible, just disappointing, so you decide to give them time to improve. You visit the same restaurant every day for a month because you would really like to try the delicious meals they promise on the menu, but every time they manage to mess something up, making you leave disappointed instead of happy. For how long would you keep eating at that place based on their promises alone if they kept failing to deliver?
Eight months is a long time to keep failing. It's not "only eight months after launch", it's eight months past the heavily hyped-up launch of a product where paying customers are expecting a service they are not getting.
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jeevin✭✭✭✭✭Jacques Berge wrote: »bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »Jacques Berge wrote: »Ahhhhhhh yeah!!! Let's get it going with another thread about how ESO isn't running at full capacity less than 1 year in. You guys tell ZoS how it is... Given that you're all well qualified game designers and that you've both built and played an mmo exactly like ESO that worked perfectly in 8 months.
if you think its normal for a game we paid box price + 8x15 monthly subscription, to not be able to do anything when more than 30 people are at the same place... ok then
we are customers and expect a service of zos wich we pay monthly for, and they're not delivering
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http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/142784/just-had-a-fight-on-azuras-star#latest
so its not really helping I guess
Oh really? They don't constantly update the game? Add new content at kind of a breakneck pace compared to other games. You, know, they also didn't invite 20 or so of the most influential players to have a little pow-wow on how to improve the game... Man it would be cool if they did that. Gosh, to think, with all the moving parts, I must have been hallucinating all those times when I partook in Zerg v zerg combat and the game didn't crash. lol yeah, definitly didn't happen ever. Jeez... An man... To think we have to wait until NEXT year for the champion system.. 1 whole year!?!? Are you serious!?!? Yeah... A gosh, I hate it when ever pvp is smooth, cause there's definitely not a plethora of other content to explore. I wish we had a way to play with out friends in some sort of... Ugh, can't think of the word... Some sort of trying, dungeon like area we could test our skills and team work in a variety of situations, yeah, that would be awesome if this game has that. And it really sucks that you can only have one character too, sometimes I'd just like to start over but play a different style character. It breaks my heart that you can't do that in this game... Well, I have to start wrapping stuff up at work... So sarcastic rant over. Also, I need like 2 awesomes so if I could get those that would be great.
Awesome. This game was developed(hackened together) by a few hasbeens and a bunch of interns and it shows. Archaic designs bolted onto an sub standard game engine. About the only teams that did any good in developing this game were the world builders and the writers. Pvp is a mess they know they can't fix.1
