If ESO had a cash shop for vanity items, what do you think would be in it?

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

Revision: What if ZOS added a cash shop into ESO that contained vanity items (items that didn't give player advantage)? Inside would be things such as vanity pets (like the mudcrab and monkey), costumes, name change tokens and appearance change tokens.

If such a thing was added, what do you think they would add into it?

This shop should NOT contain things that give player advantages such as Weapons/Armors/Any kind of gear.

Reason for revision: Too many angry comments about how it would contain such evil things. Now it will be a discussion about if it had things that just gave you vanity items.

ers101284b14_ESO · December 2014

Me canceling my sub. I have said this multiple times and will say it again. Sub or cash shop. Pick 1.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Me canceling my sub. I have said this multiple times and will say it again. Sub or cash shop. Pick 1.

I didn't specifically mean a cash shop. I meant any form of a sort of DLC. Cash shops would be the end of ESO as we know it. I'm referring more to as like how WoW and Wizard 101 did it.

Also, as another idea, what if they had a cash shop that didn't have anything useful, moreso just vanity items such as costumes that we could wear for RP situations or just to be random, or vanity pets that, unlike pets that fight, would act like the monkey, mud crab, or the other vanity pets and just followed you around? People would just pay to look cooler, but they would be no better than anyone else as their combat gear wouldn't change and could only be obtained through hard work.

With that idea, we could have a sort of item fusion where you take the stats of one item and the look of another and combine them. Wizard 101 did that and so did Neverwinter. That would allow us to change our looks, but again the stats would only come through hard, honest work. I think that seems fair to have a cosmetic shop.

Morticide828 · December 2014

I would also like a transmute kind of item available for purchase, as well as a character restyler. Not a race change, as that would be the min-maxers dream (And I will never play a khajiit or bosmer, even for the extra crit), but to be able to change height / weight / haircuts etc, to refresh your character or change something you don't like anymore - that wouldn't hurt the game in any way, but would allow people to enjoy their toons, and give ZOS a cash injection.

Everyone wins then.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

Stuff

As another thing, what if we got an item that we could use to change our appearance? It wouldn't change our race as that would be unfair and allow people to change their racial bonuses, but they would change the look of their current character as the race they already are.

They had that in Skyrim and I believe it was a fairly good idea.

And to go with my other idea, instead of a cash shop we could have a cosmetics shop. We already have a dye stand to change our color, so what about changing our design as well? Then for holidays we could get themed items from events to have some extra fun instead of repeatedly running around slaughtering things. Maybe for Christmas get a small reindeer as a vanity pet, and weapon skins that we could equip such as a staff with a snow globe on the end, or a shield that looks like a big cookie. They wouldn't have any effects, but using item fusion, it would change our strongest items that we may or may not feel look like crap, and then we can turn them into something special.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

Morticide828 wrote: »

transmute

That's the word I was looking for. I forgot that's the real term for the item fusion.

Lord_Kreegan · December 2014

If ESO had purchasable content, what do you think would be in it?

Bugs.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

If ESO had purchasable content, what do you think would be in it?

Bugs.

If we get a spider vanity pet, my career will be done.

Ffastyl · December 2014

This is quite an interesting topic. As for what ZOS might have us pay for if they choose to do so, it would likely be adventure zones and/or vanity items. The adventure zones are large enough to be expansion packs and possibly worth paying for, if ZOS has to sell them to keep running ESO. As for vanity items, ZOS has this partially implemented with the Palimo Horse in the shop, and would likely add similar items: pets, costumes, etc.

As for what I would like to see, I want to be able to convert my high level gear to their low level appearances. I personally enjoyed the low-mid level versions more than the high level versions and want to go back to such stylings without dropping my stats. Character recustomization is also a valid option, since after a long time, we (or I) get tired of our (my) character(s) and/or find defects in their appearances which we just cannot forget.

I cannot imagine ZOS implementing any form of pay2win in ESO, as it goes against the style of gameplay they have fostered.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

Ffastyl wrote: »

I cannot imagine ZOS implementing any form of pay2win in ESO, as it goes against the style of gameplay they have fostered.

Or they understand the hatred the players have for such games. Pay2Win turns games into monstrosities.

ers101284b14_ESO · December 2014

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Me canceling my sub. I have said this multiple times and will say it again. Sub or cash shop. Pick 1.

I didn't specifically mean a cash shop. I meant any form of a sort of DLC. Cash shops would be the end of ESO as we know it. I'm referring more to as like how WoW and Wizard 101 did it.

Also, as another idea, what if they had a cash shop that didn't have anything useful, moreso just vanity items such as costumes that we could wear for RP situations or just to be random, or vanity pets that, unlike pets that fight, would act like the monkey, mud crab, or the other vanity pets and just followed you around? People would just pay to look cooler, but they would be no better than anyone else as their combat gear wouldn't change and could only be obtained through hard work.

With that idea, we could have a sort of item fusion where you take the stats of one item and the look of another and combine them. Wizard 101 did that and so did Neverwinter. That would allow us to change our looks, but again the stats would only come through hard, honest work. I think that seems fair to have a cosmetic shop.

I don't care what you call it, DLC, vanity, transmute whatever. If you pay extra it's a cash shop. I do not pay a sub to be allowed to buy from a shop. Even vanity items pets and mounts should be available in game with no extra purchase.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

I don't care what you call it, DLC, vanity, transmute whatever. If you pay extra it's a cash shop. I do not pay a sub to be allowed to buy from a shop. Even vanity items pets and mounts should be available in game with no extra purchase.

Well if they have no actual use in gameplay besides looking nice then it wouldn't hinder your gameplay whatsoever. They don't gain any combat potential besides looking pretty, which I don't think is an actual advantage on the battlefield.

While I do agree this could be turned from a cash shop idea to a gold shop idea in a town (which I think ZO should do), currently it is about a cash shop idea. Something about a gold shop would go in the suggestions section as it would be more a suggestion than a discussion, while this is more a discussion than a suggestion.

I will make another thread in suggestions about a gold shop for vanity items and you can put your ideas there. You don't have to complain about this thread any more.

Edit: My mistake, there is no suggestions tab. I suggested we get one, but it didn't go so well.

NadiusMaximus · December 2014

Horse armor. Duh.

DeLindsay · December 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

I don't care what you call it, DLC, vanity, transmute whatever. If you pay extra it's a cash shop. I do not pay a sub to be allowed to buy from a shop. Even vanity items pets and mounts should be available in game with no extra purchase.

Interesting because just about EVERY MMO out there that's a sub based game has some form of a cash shop. The difference is vanity/utility purchases vs pay wall purchases.

What I would NOT want in an ESO Cash Shop (Pay Wall types):

Gear.
Content ala zones, additional playable Races, etc.
Dyes that are only available via the Cash Shop.
Motifs and any other Crafting materials.
Anything achievement based.

What I could care less if it was in an ESO Cash Shop: (Vanity/Utility)

Race change.
Faction change.
Name change.
Appearance change (as long as there's a way in game also).
Different mount types (as long as there's a way in game also).
Non-Combat Pets.
Different dances.
Additional Character slots (as long as there's a way in game also).
ESO merchandise.
Etc.

As long as it isn't a Pay Wall type of micro transaction I could literally care less because it doesn't effect MY game in any way. Nobody is going to say "Do you have XYZ DLC downloaded?" to be able to join their group. For those who are crying that they'll quit if ZoS puts in a Cash Shop, too late, there's been one there from nearly the beginning and it sells exactly the kind of stuff that's Vanity/Utility and doesn't effect anyone's game whatsoever.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

What I could care less if it was in an ESO Cash Shop: (Vanity/Utility)
Race change.

Faction change.

I don't think these should be in as each race has their own bonuses and would give bonuses to players who change their race just to fit their character. While I think not being able to see their bonuses in character creation isn't fair to players, being able to change your race later by paying a few bucks is a bit less fair as you could gain an advantage. Advantages such as WW and Argonian combo. Argonians natural poison resistance at max level is double that of how much is taken away by WW. Those who go WW could just change to that to negate the poison deficiency, and it would get a bit unbalanced.

Faction change just couldn't be done. While I think it's a pretty cool idea, it's not possible to really do as each faction starts in a different zone, has different quests, and works differently in PvP, as well as having their own set races (unless you buy the Imperial edition).

DeLindsay · December 2014

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

I don't think these should be in as each race has their own bonuses and would give bonuses to players who change their race just to fit their character. While I think not being able to see their bonuses in character creation isn't fair to players, being able to change your race later by paying a few bucks is a bit less fair as you could gain an advantage. Advantages such as WW and Argonian combo. Argonians natural poison resistance at max level is double that of how much is taken away by WW. Those who go WW could just change to that to negate the poison deficiency, and it would get a bit unbalanced.

Faction change just couldn't be done. While I think it's a pretty cool idea, it's not possible to really do as each faction starts in a different zone, has different quests, and works differently in PvP, as well as having their own set races (unless you buy the Imperial edition).

WW/Vampire weakness to Poison/Fire doesn't work the way you think it does. The only benefit an Argonian/Bosmer gets in being a WW is they don't have to wear a Poison resist Neck in order to be at the 50% hard cap. Same goes for Dunmer that are Vampires. The different Racials at VR14 make a very small difference, and nobody would have "an edge" or be superior to another just by changing Race.

Faction change is completely possible. The quests are identical when you hit Veteran, just scaled. A level 3 DC character in Glendumbra does the exact same quests as a VR6 AD character when they do Glendumbra. PvP would work exactly the same way, the character would just be on Blue instead of Yellow after the change if they went AD > DC. It's absolutely no different than a player that pays for a Faction change in WoW, Rift and other MMO's.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

WW/Vampire weakness to Poison/Fire doesn't work the way you think it does. The only benefit an Argonian/Bosmer gets in being a WW is they don't have to wear a Poison resist Neck in order to be at the 50% hard cap. Same goes for Dunmer that are Vampires. The different Racials at VR14 make a very small difference, and nobody would have "an edge" or be superior to another just by changing Race.

Faction change is completely possible. The quests are identical when you hit Veteran, just scaled. A level 3 DC character in Glendumbra does the exact same quests as a VR6 AD character when they do Glendumbra. PvP would work exactly the same way, the character would just be on Blue instead of Yellow after the change if they went AD > DC.

I guess I can see the race change becoming possible. I don't know much about racial stats, just that Argonians get healing buffs and get buffs to potions and the incredible poison resistance.

And what if a level 20 changes factions? They'd have some quests in one faction already completed, and then they'd start tutorial quests as a level 20 again, where the enemies would still be level 1-5. It just seems game breaking to me.

DeLindsay · December 2014

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

And what if a level 20 changes factions? They'd have some quests in one faction already completed, and then they'd start tutorial quests as a level 20 again, where the enemies would still be level 1-5. It just seems game breaking to me.

They would do it the same way other MMO's do it. If you were level 20 and had all FG/MG storylines done up to and including level 20 those would be checked off as done. All quests you completed up to level 20 that are no more than zone quests/main story would be considered done once you reach that zone again in Veteran ranks, which is my guess how they'd do it. You would however have the zone quests in your new Faction up to level 20 to do, therefore not unbalancing anything.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

And what if a level 20 changes factions? They'd have some quests in one faction already completed, and then they'd start tutorial quests as a level 20 again, where the enemies would still be level 1-5. It just seems game breaking to me.

They would do it the same way other MMO's do it. If you were level 20 and had all FG/MG storylines done up to and including level 20 those would be checked off as done. All quests you completed up to level 20 that are no more than zone quests/main story would be considered done once you reach that zone again in Veteran ranks, which is my guess how they'd do it. You would however have the zone quests in your new Faction up to level 20 to do, therefore not unbalancing anything.

Hmmm. I guess that could work.

Morticide828 · December 2014

Only problem with faction changes, are some player will head to the 'winning' faction purely because they perceive it that way.

I played on oceanic servers in WoW (Wrath Era) when Wintersgrasp was entirely Alliance dominated. The only way to do the Vault of Archon raid was to have your alliance own it, and so a lot of horde players were missing out.

Suddenly - mass exodous of Horde on that particular server, and grouping was quite difficult, seeing as all the players were now Alliance.

I reckon the same thing would happen, if EP was dominating, then everyone would go EP, or DC, or AD. Whatevers.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

Morticide828 wrote: »

Only problem with faction changes, are some player will head to the 'winning' faction purely because they perceive it that way.

I played on oceanic servers in WoW (Wrath Era) when Wintersgrasp was entirely Alliance dominated. The only way to do the Vault of Archon raid was to have your alliance own it, and so a lot of horde players were missing out.

Suddenly - mass exodous of Horde on that particular server, and grouping was quite difficult, seeing as all the players were now Alliance.

I reckon the same thing would happen, if EP was dominating, then everyone would go EP, or DC, or AD. Whatevers.

But they'd have to pay money to do it. And I don't think it should be cheap either, as it would have big changes to your character.

Rylana · December 2014

1 hour lag-free token - 5 dollars

Spottswoode · December 2014

Bank space.

darkspyro92_ESO · December 2014

Spottswoode wrote: »

Bank space.

You can get the gold for that. Work for it! Work really hard!

Spottswoode · December 2014

Yeah or we can pay real money and save 10 hours.....the F2P way. There's a reason every F2P mmo does it. If we had a store in game,it would be here too.

Gythral · December 2014

Bugs

And the subs numbers falling of a cliff...

WhiskyBob · December 2014

Rift introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
SWTOR introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
Tera introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
Fallen Earth introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled

only exeption was:

World of Warcraft introduced Elves in Horde - Sub Cancelled
(now they have Pandas so i guess that was good call)

The same would go for ESO no matter how much i love it.

Why do I prefer subs?
1. Equality
2. No G.I.R.L.S (Guys In Real Life) with final fantasy spiky haircut and anime-schoolgirl vanity outfits riding a kawaii pink squirrel/little pony hybrid mounts with pink rainbow fairies following them doing a disco dance.

Hybris6 · December 2014

My little pony as a mount

Cherryblossom · December 2014

probably Broken!

DeLindsay · December 2014

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Rift introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
SWTOR introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
Tera introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
Fallen Earth introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled

only exeption was:

World of Warcraft introduced Elves in Horde - Sub Cancelled
(now they have Pandas so i guess that was good call)

The same would go for ESO no matter how much i love it.

Why do I prefer subs?
1. Equality
2. No G.I.R.L.S (Guys In Real Life) with final fantasy spiky haircut and anime-schoolgirl vanity outfits riding a kawaii pink squirrel mounts with pink rainbow fairies following them doing a disco dance.

You are of the minority in that MOST players could care less if ESO had a Cash Shop for Vanity/Utility items (no Pay Wall crap). This is a fact due to the overwhelming popularity to Cash Shops in nearly every MMO, P2P or F2P. WoW has had a Cash Shop for a VERY long time and it never once affected their sub numbers, but they also don't have any Pay Wall things like Gear, etc.

WhiskyBob · December 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Rift introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
SWTOR introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
Tera introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled
Fallen Earth introduced item shop - Sub Cancelled

only exeption was:

World of Warcraft introduced Elves in Horde - Sub Cancelled
(now they have Pandas so i guess that was good call)

The same would go for ESO no matter how much i love it.

Why do I prefer subs?
1. Equality
2. No G.I.R.L.S (Guys In Real Life) with final fantasy spiky haircut and anime-schoolgirl vanity outfits riding a kawaii pink squirrel mounts with pink rainbow fairies following them doing a disco dance.

You are of the minority in that MOST players could care less if ESO had a Cash Shop for Vanity/Utility items (no Pay Wall crap). This is a fact due to the overwhelming popularity to Cash Shops in nearly every MMO, P2P or F2P. WoW has had a Cash Shop for a VERY long time and it never once affected their sub numbers, but they also don't have any Pay Wall things like Gear, etc.

I know I'm in minority. I'm in denial, i know item shop is comming sooner or later, i just try to delay (in my mind) inevitability of ESO becoming another vanity fair [snip] with no atmosphere.

And again i will cancell another sub and go back to EvE.
EvE is there waiting for me always, i just dont wanna leave tamriel because its infested with ridiculous anime-themed guarcrap that is always implemented to appease the lowest common denominator.

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