DEVS!!! Any ETA for fixing anim canceling BS?

Napkins · May 2014

Hold down right click, then every like 1 sec press left click once. And why can I cast all my skills while blocking 100% of the time?
Sound like great class design to me.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · May 2014

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

LOL they nerfed shields into uselessness because of pvp crying. Have fun when every dps skill is on a global cd thanks to pvp.

It's funny that you think people don't animation cancel in PvE. There are literally guide videos on how to do it to maximize your DPS.

I could care less about dps other than I am one now thanks to ZOS killing off tanking by breaking shield.

If you don't care about animation canceling why are you commenting in a thread about it? If you want to QQ about shield start a new thread

Because they nerfed shield bash due to qqing in pvp, saying you shouldnt cancel animation to block. Well now its impossible to block in time unless you do nothing but wait to block.

Dealdrick · May 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

LOL they nerfed shields into uselessness because of pvp crying. Have fun when every dps skill is on a global cd thanks to pvp.

It's funny that you think people don't animation cancel in PvE. There are literally guide videos on how to do it to maximize your DPS.

I could care less about dps other than I am one now thanks to ZOS killing off tanking by breaking shield.

If you don't care about animation canceling why are you commenting in a thread about it? If you want to QQ about shield start a new thread

Because they nerfed shield bash due to qqing in pvp, saying you shouldnt cancel animation to block. Well now its impossible to block in time unless you do nothing but wait to block.

Um, no, not even close. The nerf to shield bash damage had nothing to with the block being used to cancel animation. You do realize that you don't have to have a shield equipped to cancel animations, right? Block/bash works to cancel attacks with a staff equipped just fine

Ragnar_Lodbrok · May 2014

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

LOL they nerfed shields into uselessness because of pvp crying. Have fun when every dps skill is on a global cd thanks to pvp.

It's funny that you think people don't animation cancel in PvE. There are literally guide videos on how to do it to maximize your DPS.

I could care less about dps other than I am one now thanks to ZOS killing off tanking by breaking shield.

If you don't care about animation canceling why are you commenting in a thread about it? If you want to QQ about shield start a new thread

Because they nerfed shield bash due to qqing in pvp, saying you shouldnt cancel animation to block. Well now its impossible to block in time unless you do nothing but wait to block.

Um, no, not even close. The nerf to shield bash damage had nothing to with the block being used to cancel animation. You do realize that you don't have to have a shield equipped to cancel animations, right? Block/bash works to cancel attacks with a staff equipped just fine

If you dont use a shield why are you commenting, it makes you sound facetious

Dealdrick · May 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

LOL they nerfed shields into uselessness because of pvp crying. Have fun when every dps skill is on a global cd thanks to pvp.

It's funny that you think people don't animation cancel in PvE. There are literally guide videos on how to do it to maximize your DPS.

I could care less about dps other than I am one now thanks to ZOS killing off tanking by breaking shield.

If you don't care about animation canceling why are you commenting in a thread about it? If you want to QQ about shield start a new thread

Because they nerfed shield bash due to qqing in pvp, saying you shouldnt cancel animation to block. Well now its impossible to block in time unless you do nothing but wait to block.

Um, no, not even close. The nerf to shield bash damage had nothing to with the block being used to cancel animation. You do realize that you don't have to have a shield equipped to cancel animations, right? Block/bash works to cancel attacks with a staff equipped just fine

If you dont use a shield why are you commenting, it makes you sound facetious

trollololol

Lowbei · May 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Dealdrick wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

LOL they nerfed shields into uselessness because of pvp crying. Have fun when every dps skill is on a global cd thanks to pvp.

It's funny that you think people don't animation cancel in PvE. There are literally guide videos on how to do it to maximize your DPS.

I could care less about dps other than I am one now thanks to ZOS killing off tanking by breaking shield.

If you don't care about animation canceling why are you commenting in a thread about it? If you want to QQ about shield start a new thread

Because they nerfed shield bash due to qqing in pvp, saying you shouldnt cancel animation to block. Well now its impossible to block in time unless you do nothing but wait to block.

Um, no, not even close. The nerf to shield bash damage had nothing to with the block being used to cancel animation. You do realize that you don't have to have a shield equipped to cancel animations, right? Block/bash works to cancel attacks with a staff equipped just fine

If you dont use a shield why are you commenting, it makes you sound facetious

lol, just stop commenting, your ignorance is embarrassing

Oblongship · May 2014

Kypho wrote: »

Macroed anim canceling is really a big problem now. When do you plan to fix it? you can die in half sec and all you see is one type attack spammed who knows how many times in less than a second killed you. I dont know why ppl using it, its not even funny Its the new bash? lol

They will fix it just 2 weeks after everyone has left pvp.

What is scary is at the rate they are going that isn't out of the question.

Tintinabula · May 2014

Its my understanding that in a macro...if the time delay between button smashing is too short for the actual animation time that's in the game..the macro simply ignores that sequence and moves onto the next button smash.

If there are macro programs out there that can force the actual dps out and ignore a games animation I don't know about them and would think those are prohibited.

RSram · December 2014

Couldn't the game designers just force the client to wait until the animation is complete, something like a cool down before excepting the next attack request. The attack and blocking actions would be independent of each other so that you could still block while attacking?

Lava_Croft · December 2014

Animation cancelling seems fine by me. With or without it, there will always be macro monkeys.

Scamandros · December 2014

People should go read or watch guides on animation cancelling, learn how it works and what it can do, and by extension, what it can't do.
Or if your tinfoil hats interfere with your wifi to prevent you from googling, use a combat log that records the time in milliseconds of when damage registers (ideally knowing what your being hit with to account for DoT ticks etc).

I have seen alot of people call out that macros are around, and been accused of it myself. I have not seen any evidence to support this other then "but I died and could not possibly die to anything other then a macro exploiter"

Poxheart · December 2014

tylarthb16_ESO wrote: »

Example i has last night was a sneak heavy arrow attack 850, poison arrow 330, light 250, poison arrow 330, poison arrow 330, poison arrow 330. i didn't even get up from the sneak cc effect. However the nice thing with the death blow other than the attacks, is the attacker named, all were from same player, so i reported them for exploiting.

I wonder if the Zenimax employees laugh when they read these types of "exploit" reports. I know I would because what you describe is not an exploit.

Shunravi · December 2014

Rylana wrote: »

1-2 second global CD should fix this right up

The current GCD is already 1.3 seconds, or the ammount of time it would take for a light attack animation to finish. AC works by using an ability in this 1.3 sec timeframe.

Tripwyr · December 2014

This is not a thing. Animations are supported by game mechanics, game mechanics are not supported by animations.

It is not possible to accelerate the casting of spells by canceling their animations, they have a cast period internally which can not be canceled. If you are getting one shot, it is one of the following:

Lag
Poor Gear
Multiple Players
Failure to React
You're a Vampire or in Werewolf form against Concealed Hunter

Poxheart · December 2014

Tripwyr wrote: »

If you are getting one shot, it is one of the following:
Lag

Poor Gear

Multiple Players

Failure to React

You're a Vampire or in Werewolf form against Concealed Hunter

It's usually a combination of a few of the things on your list, but I'd also add low health as another factor. Anybody running around with less than 3K health is asking to be "one shot."

Davadin · December 2014

DEV already spoke about this in the past. they endorse animation cancelling as it's not a general rule. it only works on specific skills.

I AC all the time. It's nice to get that burst in PvP.

Macro though... I don't know. I say if you macro something that's not intended (like 20 light attacks in 1 sec), then yeah, it's a bug.

Davadin · December 2014

Dealdrick wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

What the OP claims is not possible. You cannot fire multiple Light Attacks/ second, with macro's or otherwise. If you cancel a LA, you can't weave another until the animation for that first LA would have completed, had you let it.

It's pretty easy to do this. Just tap your LMB immediately before you launch any class or weapon skill. Your damage will increase, but not to the "it killed me in half a second" level.

Sadly, this isn't the case. A light attack's animation can be canceled by a skill. A skill's animation can be canceled by block or bash. Scripts running macro's can effectively cancel most animations putting out multiple light attacks and skills per second.

...and bash/block can be cancelled by LA?

No it can't.

Yes you can macro 4 or 5 steps as u mentioned above, but it can't be put into an infinity loop.

(most) skills can't be cancelled with another skill or light attacks.

AFAIK, only heavy attack can be cancelled by light attacks. And heavy attacks cancels nothing...

Roechacca · December 2014

Something positive to say ... Hmmmm

Well I guess just please fix this ZOS .

Davadin · December 2014

Poxheart wrote: »

tylarthb16_ESO wrote: »

Example i has last night was a sneak heavy arrow attack 850, poison arrow 330, light 250, poison arrow 330, poison arrow 330, poison arrow 330. i didn't even get up from the sneak cc effect. However the nice thing with the death blow other than the attacks, is the attacker named, all were from same player, so i reported them for exploiting.

I wonder if the Zenimax employees laugh when they read these types of "exploit" reports. I know I would because what you describe is not an exploit.

poison can be spammed if u have the stamina, and heavy can hit that hard from sneak, yes. and you can definitely AC a poison arrow with LA. that can be done with no macro and just by planning your skill cycle and clicking your mouse/keyboard really fast.....

and if u start with Snipe, it takes a while to land, so while it's "in the air" you can chain up other skills too to hit at the same time.

funny how i can do this with my 7yr old compaq keyboard and $10 microsoft mouse, and still be accused of cheating.

Poxheart · December 2014

roechacca wrote: »

Something positive to say ... Hmmmm

Well I guess just please fix this ZOS .

There's nothing Zenimax can do to fix players' inability and/or unwillingness to understand the game mechanics.

Tripwyr · December 2014

Davadin wrote: »

Macro though... I don't know. I say if you macro something that's not intended (like 20 light attacks in 1 sec), then yeah, it's a bug.

You can't.

roechacca wrote: »

Well I guess just please fix this ZOS .

Nothing is broken.

Davadin wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

tylarthb16_ESO wrote: »

Example i has last night was a sneak heavy arrow attack 850, poison arrow 330, light 250, poison arrow 330, poison arrow 330, poison arrow 330. i didn't even get up from the sneak cc effect. However the nice thing with the death blow other than the attacks, is the attacker named, all were from same player, so i reported them for exploiting.

I wonder if the Zenimax employees laugh when they read these types of "exploit" reports. I know I would because what you describe is not an exploit.

poison can be spammed if u have the stamina, and heavy can hit that hard from sneak, yes. and you can definitely AC a poison arrow with LA. that can be done with no macro and just by planning your skill cycle and clicking your mouse/keyboard really fast.....

No you can't. LA can be cancelled by Poison Arrow, not the other way around. There is no way to accelerate LA or skills past their normal cast interval.

timidobserver · December 2014

I doubt it is going anywhere because I don't think it is possible to finish Sanctum Ophidia without all or most DPS light weaving. You just can't get enough dps without doing it. As long as there is PVE content that requires levels of DPS that can only be attained through light weaving, it isn't going anywhere.

Xexpo · December 2014

Macroing animation cancelling only makes it more reliable (ie you can't screw it up), it does not increase the amount of attacks you can get off.

Even after successfully clipping a light attack with a skill, you are still locked out from starting another light attack (or anything really) for a short time.

go ahead .. go test it for yourselves

timidobserver · December 2014

kaer426 wrote: »

Macroing animation cancelling only makes it more reliable (ie you can't screw it up), it does not increase the amount of attacks you can get off.

Even after successfully clipping a light attack with a skill, you are still locked out from starting another light attack (or anything really) for a short time.

go ahead .. go test it for yourselves

Nah, it does provide a significant advantage. No player, no matter how good they are, is going to be able to cut all or most of the dead space between their attacks out. With macros you can control when you attacks trigger down to the millisecond. So, if there is a 1.3 second cooldown between light attacks, you can setup your macro to trigger a new light attack woven attack every 1.3 seconds. No one playing manually is capable of that.

Lava_Croft · December 2014

Animation Cancelling in ESO is like Rocket Jumping in Quake. You either master the mechanic to stay competitive or you don't master it and keep posting on the forums about how it's broken.

Roechacca · December 2014

Poxheart wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Something positive to say ... Hmmmm

Well I guess just please fix this ZOS .

There's nothing Zenimax can do to fix players' inability and/or unwillingness to understand the game mechanics.

I know I'm just trying to avoid further moderation . So I threw it at a higher power ie ZOS .

Which was also suppose to be funny ...

Tripwyr · December 2014

timidobserver wrote: »

kaer426 wrote: »

Macroing animation cancelling only makes it more reliable (ie you can't screw it up), it does not increase the amount of attacks you can get off.

Even after successfully clipping a light attack with a skill, you are still locked out from starting another light attack (or anything really) for a short time.

go ahead .. go test it for yourselves

Nah, it does provide a significant advantage. No player, no matter how good they are, is going to be able to cut all or most of the dead space between their attacks out. With macros you can control when you attacks trigger down to the millisecond. So, if there is a 1.3 second cooldown between light attacks, you can setup your macro to trigger a new light attack woven attack every 1.3 seconds. No one playing manually is capable of that.

Macros do not provide a net benefit for good players. The delay between Light Attack and spell is primarily lag, which is variable and can not be adapted for in a macro. A player can adjust his own timing when lag becomes more or less a factor, a macro can not.

kaer426 wrote: »

Even after successfully clipping a light attack with a skill, you are still locked out from starting another light attack (or anything really) for a short time.

go ahead .. go test it for yourselves

This is 100% true. You can not use animation cancelling to cast your next spell faster.

Manoekin · December 2014

Yall got necro'd. Check the dates on the first page.

Davadin · December 2014

Tripwyr wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

poison can be spammed if u have the stamina, and heavy can hit that hard from sneak, yes. and you can definitely AC a poison arrow with LA. that can be done with no macro and just by planning your skill cycle and clicking your mouse/keyboard really fast.....

No you can't. LA can be cancelled by Poison Arrow, not the other way around. There is no way to accelerate LA or skills past their normal cast interval.

Ah sorry. You're right.

My cycle usually heavy snipe, switch to 2h, heavy, clip with light, clip with wrecking blow, clip at the end with executioner/critical rush.

and no macro can do what my fingers can't for that cycle. there are inherent lag/delay between them that can't be completely clipped.

Manoekin wrote: »

Yall got necro'd. Check the dates on the first page.

LOL goddamnit

Poxheart · December 2014

Manoekin wrote: »

Yall got necro'd. Check the dates on the first page.

Pretty damn funny, but considering I just recently caused an AD twitch streamer to report me for animation cancelling I didn't even bother to check the original post date.