Fix animcanceling or make all abilities to be effective with animcanceling.

Kypho · December 2014

Well all said.

Preyfar · December 2014

I've had guilds kick me because I didn't use anim. cancelling. "Oh, you can only do 900dps sustained? If you do anim. cancelling you can go to 1,400+. Until you learn how to play you're not worth keeping. " and bam... kicked.

Not a big deal, but I find it stupid there's so many groups that won't let you join/group unless you're exploiting a flaw in the animation system. It's frustrating.

Kypho · December 2014

Preyfar wrote: »

I've had guilds kick me because I didn't use anim. cancelling. "Oh, you can only do 900dps sustained? If you do anim. cancelling you can go to 1,400+. Until you learn how to play you're not worth keeping. " and bam... kicked.

Not a big deal, but I find it stupid there's so many groups that won't let you join/group unless you're exploiting a flaw in the animation system. It's frustrating.

well said. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ ? anything?

WhiskyBob · December 2014

Devs said at some point (cant find sauce) that animation cancelling is... INTENTIONAL
Which means:
They have no idea how to fix it.

Thats why I tank. I refuse to use macros.

dharbert · December 2014

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Devs said at some point (cant find sauce) that animation cancelling is... INTENTIONAL
Which means:
They have no idea how to fix it.

Thats why I tank. I refuse to use macros.

They didn't say that it was intentional. They said it was unintended, but isn't an exploit, and they plan on looking into how to fix it at some point. They did say, however, that using animation cancelling with macros IS cheating. So yes, all of you using mouse and keyboard macros to animation cancel, cast a spell, and swap back to your other weapon so fast that you can't even see it, you are cheating.

seneferab16_ESO · December 2014

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Devs said at some point (cant find sauce) that animation cancelling is... INTENTIONAL
Which means:
They have no idea how to fix it.

Thats why I tank. I refuse to use macros.

They never said that it was intentional, they said it was unintentional but yes, they didn't know how to fix it. It's not considered and exploit or a cheat by their book, although it is in mine. I don't take advantage of unintended game mechaics.

That said, I agree with OP. If animation cancelling is a thing that is here to stay either make it a feature/well known mechanic (like dodge and interrupt) and tell people about it. Make it effect all skills and balance accordingly.

Or find out a way to remove it alltogether.

Keeping it in it's current state and have players educate eachother about how to use it feels lazy and unsafe. How do we expect new players to know what is an exploit and what isn't?

AshySamurai · December 2014

@Preyfar‌ that was rude.

@WhiskyBob‌ I think ZOS said that this isn't intentional, but it's not an exploit (because it's impossible to fix it now)

xMovingTarget · December 2014

cmon stop it already. This is getting annoying.

#learn2cancel #leaveitasis

WhiskyBob · December 2014

My bad on intentional thingie.

Still issue remains. At the moment when you apply to any raiding guild first question asked is "what macros do you use" . They dont even hide with it.

I hear they are introducing new animations with update 6. We'll see how that works. Will they only be cosmetic?

xMovingTarget · December 2014

WhiskyBob wrote: »

My bad on intentional thingie.

Still issue remains. At the moment when you apply to any raiding guild first question asked is "what macros do you use" . They dont even hide with it.

I hear they are introducing new animations with update 6. We'll see how that works. Will they only be cosmetic?

I am Guildmaster of Jianji (DC EU Guild), Sanctum Ophidia 2nd best time with 75 minutes. Just so you know where i come from.

Non of my guildies uses any macros nor do we encourage anybody to do so. In fact, I would have a serious conversation with a person using macros. We disallow Macros. I dont wanna see that crap in my raids. Macros are for noobs that dont know how to play properly.

People that need to use Macros should get an instant ban. Its hurting the game. Though i like the animation canceling. It adds an element of skill to the otherwise dull combat system.
(As long as you dont macro it!)

kingzokyeb17_ESO · December 2014

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Devs said at some point (cant find sauce) that animation cancelling is... INTENTIONAL
Which means:
They have no idea how to fix it.

Thats why I tank. I refuse to use macros.

Me too!!! I hate skirts and animation canceling, that's why I wear heavy armor and tank

jackyd · December 2014

I don't get the 2nd part of your request ...Make animation cancelling work with all abilities? It does work with ALL abilities, Magicka as well as Stamina.

danno8 · December 2014

They could fix it easily. It's called a Global Cooldown. You could make it so block will still cancel all actions but will have its own non-cancellable GCD, making it only good for defense and not upping your DPS.

But, ZoS has stated that the game will "Never have GCD's" (although they are clearly there with some skills, Templar in particular) so we are stuck with animation cancelling that makes our characters look like a spaz when maximizing DPS.

Hybris6 · December 2014

Its better they balance the game first and then remove animation cancelling, that way the will keep themselves occupied.

Baconlad · December 2014

Yeah animation canceling does not equal skill. Well ok maybe it does little, but shouldn't your build rely on knowing when to use light/heavy and when to use a skill? For example, at least 25 percent should be light/heavy ( non canceled losers). damage spells should cost STUPID amounts of magicka to the point that your fully loaded light armor build might be able to get three or four, five spells off tops on a magick bar. Every other skill should be simply temp buffs, or light damage with a buff. Just to throw it into perspective

DW templar magic focused. I cast blazing spear, 1/5 magic lost, run in cast jabs, 2/5 magica lost altogether now, light/ heavy attack for five seconds, cast blazing spear, now at 3/5 magica lost, light/ heavy for a few more seconds, and kinda keep doing that untill mob or me is dead. Throwing in some support abilities here and there like healing spells or blazing. My point is that a I'm SICK of seeing abilities SPAMMED. It goes against everthing I have learned to love about eso titles. I was told that how I described combat to be is how combat was going to be, and in the beginning it was fun! It worked like this for first ten levels. Then I slowly lost that untill at vet level I can spam jabs about ten-fifteen times at least! At end game there is just simply WAY too much for resources

TequilaFire · December 2014

Animation canceling and macros are two separate things.
Non exploit animation canceling doesn't use macros.
Lazy animation canceling uses macros and is not kosher.

Baconlad · December 2014

Too many resources and weapons don't do more damage than skills. There need to be a reason for using weapons light attack/heavy, OTHER THAN for supplementing a spam skill/spell like jabs or funnel health or IMPULSE holy cripe....but wait....you elitist jerks will never go for this, because you LIKE spamming abilities. And you would rather eso was more like WoW than an Elder Scrolls title. ("psh nubs I shouldn't have to actually push my attack, it should just happen automatically, so I can spam impulse" - afformentioned elitist jerk). You want animation clipping and huge resource pools, go play another game like WoW or LOTRO, that way you can spam away and you wont even have to worry about "nubs" not canceling attacks! Because the game attacks for you!

Sorry rant...i strongly dislike elitist players, ruining a game for the "99 percenters" just because they want a difficult mechanic to set them apart, and because they have so much time on their hands they can afford to play 80+ hours a week. Even the devs believe these guys are more important than us, just listen to the guild summit, they refer to casuals like they are disgusted with them

jeevin · December 2014

I wonder how easy it will be to exploit a/c on console using a control pad....

WhiskyBob · December 2014

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Non of my guildies uses any macros nor do we encourage anybody to do so. In fact, I would have a serious conversation with a person using macros. We disallow Macros. I dont wanna see that crap in my raids. Macros are for noobs that dont know how to play properly.

To be honest - you cant be actually sure who does and who doesn't use macros. There is no way to tell in static combat.

Problem is - they are very popular.

DarkAedin · December 2014

every time i see these threads all i see is

"i havent figured out that if i slow my attacks down and use a rhythm, timing out my buttons presses makes me a better skilled player, so im on the forums crying"

srsly, tons of video games have had clipping in it.

if u want to be a good player, u learn the mechanics of the game u play, if u decide u dont like them, dont do it, but dont cry about it either, its your choice not to improve your skill.

srsly, end these threads, its tiring

xMovingTarget · December 2014

WhiskyBob wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Non of my guildies uses any macros nor do we encourage anybody to do so. In fact, I would have a serious conversation with a person using macros. We disallow Macros. I dont wanna see that crap in my raids. Macros are for noobs that dont know how to play properly.

To be honest - you cant be actually sure who does and who doesn't use macros. There is no way to tell in static combat.

Problem is - they are very popular.

I am very certain they dont

Some did back in the days to help placing Scalding Rune or healing Springs, but this times are over

I encourage 'em to learn LA weaving naturally without macros. Also did a couple of training sessions with new members that didnt know how to do it.

After they got got, they actually had more fun fighting stuff ingame

With no Macros involved.

Baconlad wrote: »

Too many resources and weapons don't do more damage than skills. There need to be a reason for using weapons light attack/heavy, OTHER THAN for supplementing a spam skill/spell like jabs or funnel health or IMPULSE holy cripe....but wait....you elitist jerks will never go for this, because you LIKE spamming abilities. And you would rather eso was more like WoW than an Elder Scrolls title. ("psh nubs I shouldn't have to actually push my attack, it should just happen automatically, so I can spam impulse" - afformentioned elitist jerk). You want animation clipping and huge resource pools, go play another game like WoW or LOTRO, that way you can spam away and you wont even have to worry about "nubs" not canceling attacks! Because the game attacks for you!

Sorry rant...i strongly dislike elitist players, ruining a game for the "99 percenters" just because they want a difficult mechanic to set them apart, and because they have so much time on their hands they can afford to play 80+ hours a week. Even the devs believe these guys are more important than us, just listen to the guild summit, they refer to casuals like they are disgusted with them

WTH. Why are you so angry? Sry dude, i never played WoW or the other games you mentioned. And i also dont have any interest in these Games. I came from Age of Conan where Combo Skipping was common sense too.

I am spamming Steel Tornado and Rapid Strikes more often than the ones you mentioned too. Enjoying Stamina Nightblade way too much lately.

Also why would somebody want the cancellation to be automatically? Its boring that way.

I am sry to like my style of combat more fast and more clickety clicky than you like it. I find the ESO Combat System quite boring without the LA weaving. spamming 1 button over and over again and toggle on 1 other key every now and then is def. not entertaining.

Also some people like me included want to get the maximum out of our characters. If you dont play like that its fine, but dont judge others for the way they like to play.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · December 2014

Weaving is a part of the game. The only unintended part is the animations not keeping up.

I weave all Light Attacks on all my Characters. Once you learn how it's just crazy not to be as deadly as you can.

My Vampire Witch weaves Light Attack and Force Shock for excellent DPS, and can keep it up for quite a while. My new Argonian NB weaves Light Attack and Blood Craze for impressive damage. He does the same with a Bow and Venom Arrow.

My damn crafters weave on the rare occasions that they actually fight something. Usually they just run.

xMovingTarget · December 2014

You can lol my posts as much as you can. You still cant deny that you probably wouldnt be able to clear out something like Sanctum Ophidia without it. You need DPS on serpent. Without weaving you cant kill it. You never bring the Boss down the Soft Enrage. And you will get eaten by the 2 Manticoras while you sit in AOE Poison.

Even Zenimax calculates LA weaving in the occasion when they design Boss Encounters.

So pls give me break and finally accept that its an intended mechanic. Learn it or dont. But leave us alone for playing the game properly. Thanks

david.haypreub18_ESO · December 2014

I am fine with them leaving Animation Cancelling in, but it should be the same for all skills and classes. None of this 'No global cooldowns except if you're a Templar' bull$#!+!

Gyudan · December 2014

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Though i like the animation canceling. It adds an element of skill to the otherwise dull combat system.

Speaking for sorcerer magicka DPS here, the current crushing shock meta is very dull.
- light attack
- crushing shock
- repeat, while keeping critical surge up (15s cd)

It gets boring after the first 5000 times.

s7732425ub17_ESO · December 2014

Gyudan wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Though i like the animation canceling. It adds an element of skill to the otherwise dull combat system.

Speaking for sorcerer magicka DPS here, the current crushing shock meta is very dull.
- light attack
- crushing shock
- repeat, while keeping critical surge up (15s cd)

It gets boring after the first 5000 times.

Unforunately, Sorc DPS is the lowest in the game due to no other skills we can use in this rotation.

xMovingTarget · December 2014

Yea, Listen to s7732425ub17_ESO, Gyudan

Its a sorc issue. =( But imagine you only use CS instead. you could literally leave your brain at the entrance of the dungeon/trial

Akselmo · December 2014

Can someone explain to a noob what this "animcanceling" is?

Gyudan · December 2014

Akselmo wrote: »

Can someone explain to a noob what this "animcanceling" is?

>> HERE <<

xMovingTarget · December 2014

Akselmo wrote: »

Can someone explain to a noob what this "animcanceling" is?

You cancel out the animation of a spell by using a light attack. This way you up your dps by a good chunk.

So basically:

Spell -> Light Attack -> Spell -> Light Attack -> Spell

You just need the right timing with it. Its not hard to do. But still needs a bit of practice.

Look here for more insight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTb2YpuRsP4

Khivas_Carrick · December 2014

Heavy attack with uppercut. Yes I cancel the animation for heavy attack. No I do not use macros. Yes I am a baller son of a ***. Yes you too can be one today for five easy payments of practice and dignity.