PVPers Shafted Again - No Imperial City or PVP Justice in Update 6

LonePirate · December 2014

The newest Road Ahead article confirms that the Imperial City and the PVP aspects of the Justice System will not be included in Update 6. Other aspects of the Justice System are being included, though.

So basically ZOS is once again extending its middle finger to those of us who spend our game time in Cyrodiil.

Read the bad news for yourself:

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2014/12/04/the-road-ahead---december-4

Ghostbane · December 2014

I'll take the Champion system over the Imperial City anytime.

As for the Justice system, I'm glad they are being sensible and phasing it in. It is a huge change, and with Zeni's track record of breaking features, I'm glad they are being cautious. I can easily imagine them pushing the entire thing up and it being disastrous to gameplay.

Looking forward to January.

Roechacca · December 2014

They stated their holding off to make sure it works properly . A double edged sword . If it gets released and doesn't work properly people will be twice as dissapointed . Their public relations with the community needs a lot of work .

Keron · December 2014

Now that is surprising. An Update where they have left out any kind of PvP content? That must be a first for them.

Agrippa_Invisus · December 2014

So... 1.6 pushed to January?

Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

*stares at his account subscription page for a while*

Iyas · December 2014

PvP? What is it? We dont need new content..no no no no no

LunaRae · December 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So... 1.6 pushed to January?

Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

*stares at his account subscription page for a while*

Yea I was honestly expecting 1.6 for the holiday time where players can sink huge amounts of time into the game

Interesting the first Champion System graphic depicts 9hp/18mag/6stam almost making you think they've changed it again as they originally indicated you would be forced to spend 1 point into each section as it rotated between hp/mag/stam. The numbers don't add up to the premise, so good to see that possibly they're allowing more focused specializations.

LonePirate · December 2014

The one thing that ticks me off the most about this disrespectful decision by ZOS is the excuse that was given as to why the IC was not included: a lack of testing resources.

First off, the ZOS QA team is the Keystone Kops of software QA teams. I am amazed at every single update by the number of major bugs and problems they release which should have been found fixed before going to the PTS, let lobe the live server. I honestly do not think there would be any difference in the content's quality if it was pushed to the PTS without first being reviewed by the ZOS QA team.

Secondly, there is an army of players like myself who would gladly jump onto the PTS and spend days testing this content and log bugs on it if ZOS would turn it over. The content would receive more voluminous and intense real world testing by the player base. We would push the content to its limits and uncover almost every bug to be found before it was released. Hey ZOS, why don't you start utilizing the PTS and the massive numbers of eager, competent and dedicated players who want to make this game the best it can be.

Of course, ZOS would need to start fixing player reported bugs on the PTS - something they have so far refused to do.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Why do you guys hate your loyal PVP customers and treat them with such disregard? Are you intentionally trying to drive us away?

Orchish · December 2014

Even the loyalty rewards cannot be used by us PvP players. We pay for the lag,scrollbacks and sound delays.

Weberda · December 2014

I think the non-inclusion of the IC material may tell you something about how successful ZOS feels they can be in fixing performance issues in Cyrodil - like maybe close to nil.

Roechacca · December 2014

These posts are making my consumer confidence go down . Someone lie to me an say it's gonna be alright .

Agrippa_Invisus · December 2014

roechacca wrote: »

These posts are making my consumer confidence go down . Someone lie to me an say it's gonna be alright .

This game is going to crash and burn soon at this rate.

Sorry, all out of lies.

Roechacca · December 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

These posts are making my consumer confidence go down . Someone lie to me an say it's gonna be alright .

This game is going to crash and burn soon at this rate.

Sorry, all out of lies.

Great . Now I'm all out of HMO paid therapy this month . I'll have to go slum it at a AA meeting ... You have any idea how hard it is to take the podium in a room full of drunks N discuss your MMO problems ?

Pixysticks · December 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So... 1.6 pushed to January?

Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

*stares at his account subscription page for a while*

It hits the PTS in Jan. it says

Agrippa_Invisus · December 2014

roechacca wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

These posts are making my consumer confidence go down . Someone lie to me an say it's gonna be alright .

This game is going to crash and burn soon at this rate.

Sorry, all out of lies.

Great . Now I'm all out of HMO paid therapy this month . I'll have to go slum it at a AA meeting ... You have any idea how hard it is to take the podium in a room full of drunks N discuss your MMO problems ?

You could always bottle your feelings up. That way you don't have to stand in front of strangers beering it all. They don't have to drink in your sorrow.

Sorry, I'm rum-ming it in now, aren't I?

Roechacca · December 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

These posts are making my consumer confidence go down . Someone lie to me an say it's gonna be alright .

This game is going to crash and burn soon at this rate.

Sorry, all out of lies.

Great . Now I'm all out of HMO paid therapy this month . I'll have to go slum it at a AA meeting ... You have any idea how hard it is to take the podium in a room full of drunks N discuss your MMO problems ?

You could always bottle your feelings up. That way you don't have to stand in front of strangers beering it all. They don't have to drink in your sorrow.

Sorry, I'm rum-ming it in now, aren't I?

Lmao ! Gonna steal these for the meeting

david.haypreub18_ESO · December 2014

Sad. Imperial City is far and away the thing I was most looking forward to... it just seems to keep getting pushed back further and further. Now we hear not only is 1.6 delayed, but Imperial City might not be in 1.7 either... which means we are likely looking at three more months at least before Imperial City is in the game, and possibly longer.

There really needs to be more PvP content by then.

Agrippa_Invisus · December 2014

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Sad. Imperial City is far and away the thing I was most looking forward to... it just seems to keep getting pushed back further and further. Now we hear not only is 1.6 delayed, but Imperial City might not be in 1.7 either... which means we are likely looking at three more months at least before Imperial City is in the game, and possibly longer.

There really needs to be more PvP content by then.

This really feels like a colossal snub by Zenimax. Everything we need being pushed back another month just to reach PTS.

Champion system.
More balance fixes (stam vs magicka, LA vs MA/HA, Bow, Debuff stacks, etc)

Imperial City likely not out until Q2 of 2015. Not one mention of the MASSIVE lag/latency issues.

Why should I pay for any of this?

TheLaw · December 2014

Champion system and ability revamp DOES NOT shaft pvpers, stop whining.

Winnamine · December 2014

roechacca wrote: »

These posts are making my consumer confidence go down . Someone lie to me an say it's gonna be alright .

There there... there there...

david.haypreub18_ESO · December 2014

It does shaft PvPers because they are prioritizing the Champion System and even the Justice System before any new PvP content. They are making a choice here, and the choice is in favor of PvE rather than PvP. That is disappointing, because virtually all previous updates have already focused on PvE rather than PvP.

However, if they finally fix Heavy Armor, remove the GCD on Templar skills, fix Templar magicka management, throw some luv to Sorcerors, and introduce an immunity timer to roots, then that will be enough to hold me over till March. But I am doubting that all of this will get done.

Preyfar · December 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So... 1.6 pushed to January?

Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

*stares at his account subscription page for a while*

I don't blame them. Most of the devs probably have vacation planned and want to spend time with family. Pushing out a major patch then having to babysit would require overtime, people staying back and lots of mandatory OT. It sucks.

For my day job I help keep the Internet running, maintaining servers, etc. We have to work mandatory OT, tons of days, holidays are not optional. It blows, and many of the people I work with are doing 60+ hour week minimums. The holidays can be an insanely busy time.

So while I want 1.6 I also totally understand the devs may want to be with family, friends and go out to parties. It's just a few weeks. I can cope.

MrGhosty · December 2014

They did at least mention the champion system tree will have new PvP related skills...so that's something

TheBull · December 2014

Not gonna lie. I'm pretty disappointed.

Trottz · December 2014

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Ghostbane · December 2014

Imperial City is a PVE zone is it not? Why all the face rivers?

Champion System provides more diversity amongst a country of vamp DKs with the odd Nightblade.

Justice System part 1, you get to kill that NPC you've wanted to kill since beta. Think about that.

TheBull · December 2014

Ghostbane wrote: »

Imperial City is a PVE zone is it not? Why all the face rivers?

Champion System provides more diversity amongst a country of vamp DKs with the odd Nightblade.

Justice System part 1, you get to kill that NPC you've wanted to kill since beta. Think about that.

Not interested in killing a NPC what so ever.

Garetth · December 2014

Why should I pay for any of this?

Because you will.

Atropos · December 2014

I understand the frustration at not getting Imperial City, but won't comprehensive ability re-balancing do a lot to make PvP more interesting?

Even if it's not directly "PvP Content", isn't this an update that will indirectly improve gameplay in Cyrodiil? (at least in theory) Or am I just being too positive?

kevlarto_ESO · December 2014

I have said a coupe of time that 1.5.X would be our last update of the year, I was surprised about the justice system, in place of the Imperial City, It is going to be a huge update, as much as I enjoy cyrodiil, might be time to take a break, for the holiday's, maybe get caught up on something else in the game.

I am looking forward to it when it gets here.

Joy_Division · December 2014

Atropos wrote: »

I understand the frustration at not getting Imperial City, but won't comprehensive ability re-balancing do a lot to make PvP more interesting?

Even if it's not directly "PvP Content", isn't this an update that will indirectly improve gameplay in Cyrodiil? (at least in theory) Or am I just being too positive?

You are right in that it MIGHT indirectly improve gameplay (you assume their ability re-balancing will actually be beneficial), but the fact of the matter is, someone who left in the game in April and resubbed would instantly recognize every single square inch of Cyrodiil (except wonder what happened to the camps), whereas that same person would be completely lost with all the new options, places to go, and things to do in PvE.