SteveCampsOut wrote: »

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Yeah I follow a simple economic policy, spend less than my trader makes.. I wish others followed suit. Sure traders make 300k a week in Rawl Kha, but whats the point when you need over 500k to get it again.. ultimately raffles are spammy and take back the money your guildies made.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Do you think we could get ZOS to look into my proposed solution.

I vote for just having a simple Auction house, like every other MMO on the planet...

Yeah, the Auction house in Wow really seems to be hurting the player base.

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

Auction houses are the bane of MMOs, people always end up messing with the economy and its usualy plagued with bots automaticaly undercutting your products.

The current system favours fair trade and look around and isn't exploitable by some silly boting addons.

So in my oppinion, they should work around improving the current system put into place instead of sending it to its imminent doom.

AH are just evil and I do not want one in ESO .. EVER!

The guild kiosks I go to are in reapers march. There's like five right next to the wayshrine and reapers is my home base as I call it. All five of these guild stores have everything I'm looking for at the best prices.

So an easy fix, I think, is to allow guilds to have say 2000 members. Less random kisoks that nobody visits and people have a place to sell stuff without people having to visit kiosks all over the world looking for just one item.

I'll just say that as long as each new area added to the game comes with 5 more Kiosks, I think I'll be happy with the current system. It's simply not a game breaking deal for me to not have a kiosk in all of my guilds. It's just not. Making buttloads of gold for what? There's nothing much to spend it on now as it is!

AlexDougherty wrote: »

this would only leave us with internal financial pressures, which guild vendors are already subject to (or is it my imagination when I come across rare motifs for 15,000Gold, now everyone wants Dwemer).

This is more of a Supply issue than a Demand issue. People are farming the containers that Motifs are in so they find more Purples looking for the Dwemer Motifs. So, now we have a supply of them reducing prices. I see Blue Motifs now for less than 100 now in Guild Kiosks.

The devs have said multiple times that there will not be an Auction House in ESO.

How simple is the current system? How easy is it for the -entire- population to participate? Are there better ways to create a gold sink? Should buying and selling even be a significant gold sink?

To participate in the guild merchant system (as a seller) you have to:
- Join a guild with a merchant
- Hope that merchant stays operational
- Hope that buyers come across that particular merchant to see your gear.

If the guild fails to win a bid, you're situation as a seller changes -significantly- as does the location of the merchant.

As a trade guild member, generally, you don't have any control over these things. The only thing you can do is just ship from one that is (currently) infavorable to one that is (currently) in better condition, if you can get in, or just ride it out and hope it gets better.

Factor all that in and it makes for a roller coaster ride.

From a supply side perspective, it's very nichey. If not everyone can participate that has goods to sell, we're not seeing a true picture of supply availability. Furthermore if sellers and their goods shift with the fluctuating merchant situation, the supply availability and prices keep changing as well.

All of this makes it a pain for the seller to try to maintain a consistent, simple, and low maintenance avenue for selling goods.

The buyer perspective also has to deal with this indirectly. Do buyers want to spend hours going from kiosk to kiosk, week to week, wading through the rollercoaster of supply shifts? Probably not.

Those that circumvent this whole system sell in zone. From which NO taxes are collected and no gold sink! The by-product is more zone spam which adds to the desensitization of paying attention to zone, which puts up a wall for potential buyers to reach goods they want. The only sink in this situation is time, not gold, how cool is that?

ESOs economy and avenues of trade are a pain for what should be a relatively simple thing to buy and sell goods.

Also, how well does this system SCALE? There is a set number of kiosks, If ESO gains 10,000 players next month how would that work out? 20 new trade guilds with 500 members fighting for the same number of kiosks? how about 100,000 new players? And those that don't or can't participate in the guild merchant rollercoaster system, what do they do? Spam zone? Get frustrated?

I'll grant this kiosk system is interesting and definitely adds a new twist to the game, but it's exclusionary, shifting, adds barriers of both knowledge and means to new players, divides players between the guild market and the zone chat market (each with their respective pains)... Just to buy and sell goods?

Also another factor, the fact that guilds now can MAKE gold from guild store transactions in addition to the gold sink game tax adds in further problematic dimensions. Some guilds are non for profit, taking this gold and spending it on merchant bids, some are for profit, seeking ways to make gold from their guild members. In either case, is the guild spending wisely? Are they milking the members? Again these things beyond the control of the guild member, and the seller has to worry about being in a "good" trade guild even more.

I can see this more as an element of a complicated and rich game like EVE but not ESO.

Would a global AH make this simpler? easier? see the whole economy as it is?
What about regional? AHs in different zones? There's gotta be a way to make it simpler, allow everyone to participate, let people be in control of their own trading, other than zone.

Not being awkward here but why asking for more kiosks when half of them are used by guilds who have nothing in store.

If nothing, there aren't enough guilds to bid on the traders. I go regularly around tamriels to browse stores, and I just see too many empty stores. I'm on EU btw

Why should buy and seel goods be simple? It's not simple in real life...

Those who want simple can vendor most things and make money that way.

AlnilamE wrote: »

Why should buy and seel goods be simple? It's not simple in real life...

Those who want simple can vendor most things and make money that way.

I can make 10K an hour just from farming public dungeons and vendoring everything I get in there.

I see the game economy as helping out others. For example, I have a good supply of Materials and I currently have an excess. I would much rather sell to another player that stack of mats than to vendor it. For one, I would get a bit more (500 to 600 a stack) and I help someone who needs it and does not have time to farm for it. I am not in it to make money per say, other than upgrading my bank slots so I can start to use my bank as a crafting store house like it should be.

Nestor wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Why should buy and seel goods be simple? It's not simple in real life...

Those who want simple can vendor most things and make money that way.

I can make 10K an hour just from farming public dungeons and vendoring everything I get in there.

I see the game economy as helping out others. For example, I have a good supply of Materials and I currently have an excess. I would much rather sell to another player that stack of mats than to vendor it. For one, I would get a bit more (500 to 600 a stack) and I help someone who needs it and does not have time to farm for it. I am not in it to make money per say, other than upgrading my bank slots so I can start to use my bank as a crafting store house like it should be.

Precisely, I'd rather sell mats, items for decon, set pieces that I don't particularly need, etc. to players that would like them, and in the meantime make a little gold for it. WIN-WIN.