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Win 7 or Win 8.1?
stewhead2ub17_ESO
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So I'm not much of a tech guy (that's the wife's dept.) but I'm overdue to upgrade my OS from Win XP. My rig is used almost exclusively for gaming so is Win 7 the OS of choice or should I jump to 8.1? Any help is appreciated. Thank you!
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Leeric✭✭✭✭
Windows 7 Ultimate is better for gaming.Edited by Leeric on November 28, 2014 12:24PM6 -
Orchish✭✭✭✭✭
✭Windows 8.1 is basically windows 7 with the horrible touch screen rubbish added in. So either one, despite the dislike for windows 8 it is no Vista and both are pretty good.
Windows 7 is a damn fine OS though so unless you care about having the latest OS with the touch/tile screen rubbish added on go for that.
I have both, 7 on my older computer and 8.1 on my gaming PC. i have no issues with either.0 -
Syntse✭✭✭✭✭Might as well go straight to 8.1 if you can tolerate the UI.
I have PC purely for gaming and it's running 8.1 no issues there and it will support directx12 which I think by latest information windows 7 will not.
Newer games will be more optimized for 8.1 and 10 like Battlefield 4 ran better on 8.1 than older windows versions at least in the beginning.Syntse Dominion Khajiit Dragonknight Stamina Tank [50]
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Jitterbug✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The UI in 8.1 does take a bit of getting used to, but who cares - you just double click the ESO icon and it covers up the whole 8.1 thing quite nicely
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Niastissa✭✭✭Go with windows 8.1. Set it to start in the desktop and pay $2 to get start is back. You won't miss windows 7 in the slightest.
Windows 8.1 is faster in games then Windows 7 with the same hardware.4 -
IMO there is little to no difference performance or gaming-wise between the two on ESO. The only reason most desktop users do not like windows 8(.1) is simply the UI and people can't see beyond that.
Windows 8.1 uses the metro style start menu which is... well... a silly, stupid tablet UI, not really useful or user friendly for a mouse-keyboard controlled PC.
I am currently even using Windows 10 preview which solves this UI "problem" and even though it is a preview, I have had no problems whatsoever regarding gaming.Edited by TyrelionPrime on November 28, 2014 1:15PM0 -
Vicodine✭✭✭I'd have to go with Windows 8.1. Installed in UEFI mode with a modern chipset (motherboard) and an SSD, the beast starts even in under 4 seconds (POST to desktop)
Plus, in Windows 7 (also UEFI mode), lots of games, even ESO, stuttered like hell for me. In windows 8 , it's gone, as if magic happened (and I don't think ZOS fixed that, naaah
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One useful tip: Don't login with your Windows Live ID, especially if your Live ID user name has accents in them (áíé etc.), this WILL be your home directory name and WILL cause lot of trouble for many a software.
Fixed this for yaGo with windows 8.1. Set it to start in the desktop and pay $2 to get start is back get ClassicShell for free. You won't miss windows 7 in the slightest.
Windows 8.1 is faster in games then Windows 7 with the same hardware. Thaometh V16 Altmer Templar AD/EU
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Windows 7. Just because of "The Rule": Microsoft fracks up 1/2 versions.
WIn 95: Success.
Win 98: Failure (BSOD much?)
Win 2000: OK (Very stable OS)
Win ME: Failure
Win XP: Big success.
Win Vista: Failure
Win 7: Big success (basically Vista with it's issues fixed)
Win 8: Failure (8.1 fixed some stuff but still sucks).
Win 10: Looks promising (Looks like Windows 8 with major issues addressed). Edited by TehMagnus on November 28, 2014 2:00PM2 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Microsoft is warning customers that the end is soon coming for Windows 7 in much the same way it came for Windows XP earlier this year. Microsoft will end free mainstream support for Windows 7 on January 13, 2015.
=> Windows 8.1 Wololo.0 -
@magnusnet
First off... that "rule" is just... stupid and just for laughs.
Secondly, you have forgotten Windows 98 SE, which worked just fine... and about every NT version...
And as many have already pointed out in this very threat: Win 8 has, in fact, a better kernel as Win 7...1 -
Orchish✭✭✭✭✭
✭Windows 7. Just because of "The Rule": Microsoft fracks up 1/2 versions.
WIn 95: Success.
Win 98: Failure (BSOD much?)
Win 2000: OK (Very stable OS)
Win ME: Failure
Win XP: Big success.
Win Vista: Failure
Win 7: Big success (basically Vista with it's issues fixed)
Win 8: Failure (8.1 fixed some stuff but still sucks).
Win 10: Looks promising (Looks like Windows 8 with major issues addressed).
I wouldn't trust a company that cannot count.Edited by Orchish on November 28, 2014 2:09PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Go for Win 8.1. The start screen UI is largely ignorable if you get something like classicshell or Pokki, or if you stick with it (for like10 minutes) you get used to it.
I would never go backward if given the choice, unless the OS is known to be buggy or broken. 8.1 is neither, just different.
On a side note I just checked the steam hardware survey for October and it looks like 32 bit OS's are less than 16% of total OS these days. Time to get that 64 bit client going devs! (not just aimed at ZoS, but all developers in general)0 -
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✭✭TyrelionPrime wrote: »@magnusnet
First off... that "rule" is just... stupid and just for laughs.
Secondly, you have forgotten Windows 98 SE, which worked just fine... and about every NT version...
And as many have already pointed out in this very threat: Win 8 has, in fact, a better kernel as Win 7...
Win 7 works better than Win 8 and the only thing stupid and just for laughs is people who claim Windows 8 was a good OS.0 -
@Orchish
Can't count?
If you mean the Win 10 thing instead of win 9... there is a very reasonable explanation for this. Namely that about EVERY driver checks for your operating system and guess what the search-string is that they use to detect windows 95 and 98? yes... they search for "Windows 9x" which would make most drivers think you are running Windows 95 or 98 when they would name the upcoming OS "Windows 9"...
So... in fact I'm glad they have thought about it and came up with a simple solution to prevent any possible problems by skipping a number...Edited by TyrelionPrime on November 28, 2014 2:14PM1 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭Window 8.1 64 bit and wont will have problem at all with any game to be honest and @magnusnet window 10 basically only have window start button feature which is was is big news window 10 othervise will be like window 8.1 ^^If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
@Orchish Your sarcasm hit me right in the face in fact... yet sarcasm should have a basis somewhere, I was simply explaining a fact you seem to have overlooked or missed.
@Magnusnet Unless you are able to provide me with any details on the problem(s) you have experienced with Win 8(.1) regarding incompatibility or stability and not simply the UI, I am simply going to assume you base your findings mostly on "I don't like the way it looks" and what you read in forums rather than actual first-hand experience. Please feel free to contact me regarding your issues.Edited by TyrelionPrime on November 28, 2014 2:34PM0 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TyrelionPrime wrote: »@Orchish Your sarcasm hit me right in the face in fact... yet sarcasm should have a basis somewhere, I was simply explaining a fact you seem to have overlooked or missed.
@Magnusnet Unless you are able to provide me with any details on the problem(s) you have experienced with Win 8(.1) regarding incompatibility or stability and not simply the UI, I am simply going to assume you base your findings mostly on "I don't like the way it looks" and what you read in forums rather than actual first-hand experience. Please feel free to contact me regarding your issues.
Legacy apps suck in Windows 8
No windows 8 ready version of Office (at least last time I checked)
Major PC retailers still sell more machines with W7 than W8.
No real improvement compared to Win 7:
Some 3DMark11 info putting W7 in top even if slightly:
Sandra testing:
Encoding:
Win 8 doesn't bring much more to the table than Win7 with marginal if non existent performance gains at the cost of a sucky UI and sucky retrocompatibility.
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So basicly... you are saying "Win 8 doesn't bring much more to the table than Win7 with marginal if non existent performance gains" which just disproves your earlier statement "Win 7 works better than Win 8".
And seeing you simply reply with some links to some benchmarks... my assumption that you base your statement on what you read instead of first-hand experience, is true. Thank you for proving my point this accurately.
I consider this case closed.0 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Window 8.1 64 bit and wont will have problem at all with any game to be honest and @magnusnet window 10 basically only have window start button feature which is was is big news window 10 othervise will be like window 8.1 ^^
Well Windows 7 is basically Windows Vista with a few key improvements that make Win7 a great version. Win 10 will bring vast UI improvements to Win 8 as well as (probably) performance improvements that will make it a decent OS.
Plus it will be free.
And have virtual desktops
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✭✭TyrelionPrime wrote: »So basicly... you are saying "Win 8 doesn't bring much more to the table than Win7 with marginal if non existent performance gains" which just disproves your earlier statement "Win 7 works better than Win 8".
And seeing you simply reply with some links to some benchmarks... my assumption that you base your statement on what you read instead of first-hand experience, is true. Thank you for proving my point this accurately.
I consider this case closed.
Looool so full of [snip].
Instead of making bold statements and calling them facts as you did before, i actually bring proof to the table in matters of quantifiable tests. Since they don't go your way, you choose to dismiss them and say "It doesn't beat first-hand experience" which couldn't be farther from the truth since I use Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 on a daily basis.
I said Win 7 works better than Windows 8, as far as the comparison goes, performances are the same and Windows's 8 UI makes me and most of it's users throw up which is why Noobsoft is mainly changing that in Windows 10. So yeah WIn 7 = Same as Windows 8 with a good UI ==> Win 7 wins.
You can indeed consider this case closed, and your case for windows 8 buried.Edited by TehMagnus on November 28, 2014 4:07PM0 -
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✭cvghosteb17_ESO wrote: »I'd have to go with Windows 8.1. Installed in UEFI mode with a modern chipset (motherboard) and an SSD, the beast starts even in under 4 seconds (POST to desktop)
Plus, in Windows 7 (also UEFI mode), lots of games, even ESO, stuttered like hell for me. In windows 8 , it's gone, as if magic happened (and I don't think ZOS fixed that, naaah )
One useful tip: Don't login with your Windows Live ID, especially if your Live ID user name has accents in them (áíé etc.), this WILL be your home directory name and WILL cause lot of trouble for many a software.
Fixed this for yaGo with windows 8.1. Set it to start in the desktop and pay $2 to get start is back get ClassicShell for free. You won't miss windows 7 in the slightest.
Windows 8.1 is faster in games then Windows 7 with the same hardware.
Was the Win 7 machine using a HDD?
Because the solution for stuttering is going to SSD. The reason games stutter is loading textures from the HDD, when you goto an SSD it's 100 times faster so the stutter goes away.0 -
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✭And if you want my opinion, Mac OSX is 1,000 times better than any Windows. Except for games... I've used both for decades... have Win 7 Desktop at home that I built for games & video editing, and a Mac at work and can say I wouldn't miss Windows if it stopped existing.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Win 8 is not win 7 with a different UI. Under the hood win 8 is new, more efficient, faster.
If the new UI bothers you, in win 8.1 you can set the OS to start directly to the desktop, bypassing the metro interface (without any 3rd part addons, too). SO it looks and feels 98% like win 7, while getting the new innards.0 -
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✭Definitely Linux. UI does not matter, you can pick anything you like, and it serves you, not masters in Redmond, Cupertino or Fort Meade.1 -
Theosis✭✭✭✭Win 8 is terrible
That is all.This is were my signature would be if I was allowed one.0 -
LunaRae✭✭✭✭stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »So I'm not much of a tech guy (that's the wife's dept.) but I'm overdue to upgrade my OS from Win XP. My rig is used almost exclusively for gaming so is Win 7 the OS of choice or should I jump to 8.1? Any help is appreciated. Thank you!
If you're not much of a tech guy then I'd recommend Win 8.1. Certainly Win 7 would be less of a jump in terms of learning curve, but I think you're shooting yourself in the foot by not going straight to the latest technology. Why learn something if you're just going to have to learn something new again sooner. I know tons of guildies running 8.1 to play ESO and they don't have any problemsStands-Strong-As-Snow ~ Argonian Templar DC NA V14
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