Please do NOT bring back forward camps!
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Wow. That pretty much says it all. You used to camp yourself next to a keep and wait for guys to jump off the wall so you could kill them. Nice. How about turning up some of your own opportunities?Tintinabula wrote: »Must be playing two different games. I used to be able to perch at the corner of Arrius overlooking the dry pond and wait for no more than 10-15 mins before a target would appear...now it takes HOURS.
Having to actively seek out fights turned Cyrodiil into scavenger hunt PvP.
This attitude is beyond funny. There is a giant world out there with PvP opportunities all over it. That you want to camp one location to shoot ducks in a row, I guess is a sign of the times. It's kind of like using headlights when hunting deer. COME ON MAN. GET OUT THERE AND GO KILL SOMETHING. sheesh.
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✭same can be said for Sej..roaming around the grounds of sejanus used to always bring multiple group fights in the course of an hour..now you must be "lucky" to catch a group.
Hey if you want to turn what I said into "me sitting in one spot doing nothing waiting for the game to come to me" instead of what I really said was "that traffic has ground down to a snails pace on all fronts"..that's up to you.
P.S. btw to prove how lopsided your view is of my statement I never sit outside a keep and wait for ppl to jump off walls. I sit ON the wall while scouting a keep or resource to let my faction know if someone is coming.lolEdited by Tintinabula on November 26, 2014 7:56PM4 -
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Oh, so you were waiting for the fight to come to you and apparently still do. That you and others keep playing the same way thinking you should get the same result is telling.Tintinabula wrote: »
Hey if you want to turn what I said into "me sitting in one spot doing nothing waiting for the game to come to me" instead of what I really said was "that traffic has ground down to a snails pace on all fronts"..that's up to you.
P.S. btw to prove how lopsided your view is of my statement I never sit outside a keep and wait for ppl to jump off walls. I sit ON the wall while scouting a keep or resource to let my faction know if someone is coming.lol
What you are saying is that you sit on the walls of a keep and wait for targets to come near FOR HOURS (LOL) and you are upset now that targets don't appear (your words) as often.
News flash...That's because fighting is taking place ELSEWHERE! It's time to move.
Look man. That's the point you made. Nobody is putting words in your mouth. It is pretty funny though folks whining about not being able to find fights. The suggestion is that there is less going on when that is simply not the case. There are far more skirmishes taking place and fewer large scale battles. As it should be, IMO.
Honestly sick of seeing folks cry about FC's. 'Ohh I can't suicide port to a fight 30 seconds after logging in. OMG I have to ride my horse now. GAWD there's not so many targets running by our keep.... Good grief.'
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✭I guess Ill have to spell this out for you since you're hell bent on trying to make me look inept.
Log in. go to arrius..back corner near dry pond..
gankers try to kill a guy on a horse..I'm there..we fight they die..
on the way back we catch a threesome headed for arrius LM..we fight..I die and re rezz and the threesome is actually a moresome cause they've set up camp beyond arrius LM.
We run to arrius LM which is being FCd and call for help..a good thirty minute fight takes place.
We push them back and nothing happens for 15 mins..
open up map and look for swords. Oh look!! sejanus has AD headed towards it..lets go there!!
We go to sejanus where a team has a hidden FC somewhere cause they continue to spill out and we go about our merry way to find and burn it..they die..we die..they die we die..we finally find the camp and burn it. All this activity used to happen within the course of an hour EVERY hour non stop prime time.
Now with no FCs..I log in..no swords..no one fighting on map..no one calling out that an enemy is anywhere. Finally we see that Alsewell is being sieged and some fighting is going on near bleakers..we go there ..they die..the end. Nothing else for an hour.
Goodbye, I log.
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Not every ones play style is running buck nekkid through Cyrodiil waiting to be ganked..It may work for you..not so much for me.Edited by Tintinabula on November 27, 2014 5:22AM4 -
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✭no idea what server you are on, but there are fights everywhere all the time on mine.6 -
purgation✭✭I would like to hear one example of a novel strategy that has emerged as a result of removing FCs. And remember, ganking is not a strategy.2
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purgation✭✭Honestly sick of seeing folks cry about FC's. 'Ohh I can't suicide port to a fight 30 seconds after logging in. OMG I have to ride my horse now. GAWD there's not so many targets running by our keep.... Good grief.'
They game has gotten more zergy, not less, the exact opposite of what the "anti-FC" people said would happen.
If you are denying that, you are denying reality, and I don't know what to tell you.
Yes, the game got better if you want to gank. That is what this was always about -- although you have to read between the lines a bit of the comments here to see that.
But I've got a news flash for you. Gank-heavy games don't have a good track record. It turns out, for everyone else, who doesn't really care for that play style, games that favor ganking aren't much fun.
So sure, it's fine. Let's try this again and see what happens.
TL;DR; Hiding in stealth and one-shotting people trying to transit is not "strategy"
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✭Wish i could see what type of players/weapon of choice for the non fc brigade, but i'm sure i already know.
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✭Tintinabula wrote: »I guess Ill have to spell this out for you since you're hell bent on trying to make me look inept.
Log in. go to arrius..back corner near dry pond..
gankers try to kill a guy on a horse..I'm there..we fight they die..
on the way back we catch a threesome headed for arrius LM..we fight..I die and re rezz and the threesome is actually a moresome cause they've set up camp beyond arrius LM.
We run to arrius LM which is being FCd and call for help..a good thirty minute fight takes place.
We push them back and nothing happens for 15 mins..
open up map and look for swords. Oh look!! sejanus has AD headed towards it..lets go there!!
We go to sejanus where a team has a hidden FC somewhere cause they continue to spill out and we go about our merry way to find and burn it..they die..we die..they die we die..we finally find the camp and burn it. All this activity used to happen within the course of an hour EVERY hour non stop prime time.
Now with no FCs..I log in..no swords..no one fighting on map..no one calling out that an enemy is anywhere. Finally we see that Alsewell is being sieged and some fighting is going on near bleakers..we go there ..they die..the end. Nothing else for an hour.
Goodbye, I log.
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Not every ones play style is running buck nekkid through Cyrodiil waiting to be ganked..It may work for you..not so much for me.
I didn't know running buck nekkid through Cyro was a play Style. Is it fun to play that way?
No seriously. So what your saying is you don't like traveling through No man's Land between keeps. Ya, I get it. It's dangerous. I spend more time on my feet in stealth than I do on my Horse. (Not Nekkid)
Cuz I don't like getting ganked either. I've actually been ganked less since FC's were removed. I've been knocked off my horse twice since the change. If I'm moving alone I move in stealth. Otherwise I travel with others.
Honestly bro, I want you to have a good experience in Cyrodiil. Find some guys that are making the new dynamics work for them and figure it out. Once you do you won't be here talking about not being able to find PvP.
Really wish you the best although I will qualify that to assume that FC's aren't that.2 -
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✭Honestly sick of seeing folks cry about FC's. 'Ohh I can't suicide port to a fight 30 seconds after logging in. OMG I have to ride my horse now. GAWD there's not so many targets running by our keep.... Good grief.'
They game has gotten more zergy, not less, the exact opposite of what the "anti-FC" people said would happen.
If you are denying that, you are denying reality, and I don't know what to tell you.
Yes, the game got better if you want to gank. That is what this was always about -- although you have to read between the lines a bit of the comments here to see that.
But I've got a news flash for you. Gank-heavy games don't have a good track record. It turns out, for everyone else, who doesn't really care for that play style, games that favor ganking aren't much fun.
So sure, it's fine. Let's try this again and see what happens.
TL;DR; Hiding in stealth and one-shotting people trying to transit is not "strategy"
No not really. Zergs didn't go anywhere and their aren't more of them. They just aren't magically appearing at a keep resource now, running 200 meters and busting the walls down in 60 seconds. Now they have to actually travel from one keep to another which means they can be engaged in the open, picked off, whittled down.
Yes Zerg is engaging Zerg in the open but now so are all the other groups too. Water seeks the path of least resistance and the player community was like water always funneling through FC's because it was 'easier." So not only did FC draw the Zerg, they drew all the small groups and solo players too. This made the 'Zerg/Blob' snowball around the keeps with FC's being dropped.
Now groups of all sizes, Zerg, Large group, small group, solo players are all engaging in running battles between the keeps. Zerg meets Zerg and duke it out, the winner pushing to the target keep to attack. Large groups doing the same or serving to force the Zergs suffer losses enough to weaken their assaults. Small groups and gank have a clear roles now and more opportunity for appropriate fights by disruption behind of reinforcements.
Another overlooked element is the role of scouts now that call out enemy numbers and movement. Good intel can be the difference in getting reinforcements in time.
The overall campaign is more difficult and more rewarding IMO. Keeps still fall. Not as often but often enough.
All FC did before was allow for exploit of the game mechanics and map limitations by allowing for groups to teleport around the map and 50/50 keeps for super fast Keep Conquest. THANK ZOS that isn't the case anymore. Now it requires a greater deal of coordination and some luck to pull that kind of cheap strategy off.
Oh yeah, and there are fewer Emperors being crowned. Imagine that. Becoming Emperor is about as difficult as it should be rather than the title being pulled out of a Cracker-Jack box.3 -
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✭what about rezzers? I rezz people, my group rezzes people, hence we don't need camps as a crutch.
facepalm.. are you even reading anyone but yourself? How many times and in which font should I say "solo" so you understand that not everyone comes in Cyro with a group, not everyone has a guild group or anything like that. And random strangers (if there're any around) don't necessarily rezz others, especially since they spend their own gems on that.1 -
Jaerlach✭✭✭what about rezzers? I rezz people, my group rezzes people, hence we don't need camps as a crutch.
facepalm.. are you even reading anyone but yourself? How many times and in which font should I say "solo" so you understand that not everyone comes in Cyro with a group, not everyone has a guild group or anything like that. And random strangers (if there're any around) don't necessarily rezz others, especially since they spend their own gems on that.
I run around ungrouped a lot, often in the vicinity of various guild groups in my faction, and I pretty much never have a problem getting a res as long as I die in an accessible location.
I have even been res'd by Columba.
What does suck about soloing is if you are separated from the main path, since no one will notice and you can't communicate your location - this is why people feel there's more clumping, as it's a lot riskier to do certain important tasks if you are not in a group (for example, I can rarely risk flanking around a keep courtyard to try to nail reinforcements coming from the far side, as if I die no one will know and I will be screwed). Now only groups or at least members of groups can afford to do those kinds of tasks, which is too bad, as it doesn't take that many people to lock down the far side and prevent reinforcements from getting into the keep.Jaerlach Kesepton (DK)
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✭what about rezzers? I rezz people, my group rezzes people, hence we don't need camps as a crutch.
facepalm.. are you even reading anyone but yourself? How many times and in which font should I say "solo" so you understand that not everyone comes in Cyro with a group, not everyone has a guild group or anything like that. And random strangers (if there're any around) don't necessarily rezz others, especially since they spend their own gems on that.
I solo and rezz others. Stretch your imagination a little.
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✭what about rezzers? I rezz people, my group rezzes people, hence we don't need camps as a crutch.
facepalm.. are you even reading anyone but yourself? How many times and in which font should I say "solo" so you understand that not everyone comes in Cyro with a group, not everyone has a guild group or anything like that. And random strangers (if there're any around) don't necessarily rezz others, especially since they spend their own gems on that.
I solo and rezz others. Stretch your imagination a little.
Agreed. Most of the time I am Soloing in Cyro. I rez and get rezzed all the time. I think I've been rezzed by Columba as well. Several times likely. The whole cat and mouse resurrection game is actually pretty fun.
And if there isn't anyone around to resurrect me it just isn't that much of an imposition for me to hoof it to the action from the nearest keep.
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✭so..we have two people who stand to wave their flags of "I res"...out of how many?1 -
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✭Tintinabula wrote: »so..we have two people who stand to wave their flags of "I res"...out of how many?
Two who bothered. Perhaps if you rezzed people, they'd return the favor?
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✭Doesn't work that way. I rezz plenty on my side and see countless who don't bother.0 -
Pathfinder✭✭✭Tintinabula wrote: »so..we have two people who stand to wave their flags of "I res"...out of how many?
I rez everyone I come across and went as far as to craft Kragrenac's Hope specifically for the job.Main
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✭I took 2 guild mates from my old game, who just hit vet and never did cyrodil before to pvp. I kept apologising and saying how much more exciting it was with FC. They got bored real quick with the zerg, rez, ride, zerg, rez, ride.
Tactics my a**.At least the spelling is difficult for you.
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✭what about rezzers? I rezz people, my group rezzes people, hence we don't need camps as a crutch.
facepalm.. are you even reading anyone but yourself? How many times and in which font should I say "solo" so you understand that not everyone comes in Cyro with a group, not everyone has a guild group or anything like that. And random strangers (if there're any around) don't necessarily rezz others, especially since they spend their own gems on that.
I solo and rezz others. Stretch your imagination a little.
Good for you. And I never get rezzed when I solo. because, you know, pretty often there is NO ONE around to rezz me even if they wanted to. Because, you know, I SOLO. Idk, how many times I should repeat it and what font should I choose for you to read it.. Solo=alone. Some players go alone and look for PvP somewhere far from large scale battles. However, when they see you first and gank you - you can' rez close and pvp, no, you have to run across the map. And then an ambush can be elsewhere. Absolutely no desire to "learn" in these conditions.2 -
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For me, this is a good thing... put our heads (eventually) in the right place.
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✭martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »I took 2 guild mates from my old game, who just hit vet and never did cyrodil before to pvp. I kept apologising and saying how much more exciting it was with FC. They got bored real quick with the zerg, rez, ride, zerg, rez, ride.
Tactics my a**.
So, who said they had to ride with the Zerg? It may be the easiest way to get AP when your learning Cyro PvP but there's more fighting and opportunity than merely Zerging up and Yoloing.
So, resurrecting at FC's over and over, running 10 steps to the battle over and over was tactics? lol. Come on man. That just doesn't fly.
Good for you. And I never get rezzed when I solo. because, you know, pretty often there is NO ONE around to rezz me even if they wanted to. Because, you know, I SOLO. Idk, how many times I should repeat it and what font should I choose for you to read it.. Solo=alone. Some players go alone and look for PvP somewhere far from large scale battles. However, when they see you first and gank you - you can' rez close and pvp, no, you have to run across the map. And then an ambush can be elsewhere. Absolutely no desire to "learn" in these conditions.
So, in a nutshell you were leaching rez's from other peoples FC's. You were soloing but nowhere near the battles going on where FC's were used... You know, where other PLAYERS were? So you were running off away from everyone.. Soloing but resurrecting off of other peoples hard earned AP, but then didn't stick around to fight the battle the FC was intended for? That is a very interesting method of soloing. Can I hear more? Edited by Vizier on December 7, 2014 6:13PM1
