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Hadran's Fall - Azum question *Minor quest-specific spoilers*

elowan
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This is just a quick lore/quest question about the quest "Hadran's Fall." It's found at the end of the Hadran's Caravan questline in Reaper's March.

I had completed this quest on an alt a month or two ago, and was confused by the ending. I assumed I'd screwed up and misread some of the dialogue. However, I just completed it again in the Vet10 version, and the same issue cropped up. In essence, my question is:

Why do you fight and kill Azum (along with Hadran) in the final battle? Azum (the questgiver) is the one who sets you up with the uniforms you use to free the slaves. She's the one who tells you to free the slaves, in order to draw out Hadran. After ripping through a couple dozen minions, saving Tand and 3 additional captives, you make your way to the final gate, and find that Hadran has in fact been drawn out.. and Azum is backing him up with heals.

Ultimately, not a big deal, of course. It's a minor issue with a minor character, but it made little sense to me. Did I just miss something? When you read her journal, you get a less altruistic perspective on the whole thing, but she still specifically says that she wants Hadran taken out, so she can take over.
  • MasterSpatula
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    Gonna go ahead and necro this thread just to say, "Yep, pretty bad design in this quest."

    Two boss enemies at the end of a quest is one thing, but when everything has led you to believe that one of them is going to switch sides, that's pretty cheap IMO.
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  • Blackhorne
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    Not to mention that since Azum is a healer, the mechanics of the game require you to take her our first. So even if the writers were trying to be clever and have Azum change sides once you beat down Hadran enough, the design makes that practically impossible.

    This quest is by far the worst thing I've seen in this game. It makes absolutely no sense as designed.
  • MikeyGoWOOGA
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    Necroposting again to say I had the same confusion. I thought maybe I wasn't paying attention at the start of the quest and it wasn't Azum who gave it to me. So I googled it, which lead me here, which shows me that I'm not the problem.

    And this has apparently been a problem since day 1 and could easily be fixed just by changing the name of Hadran's helper at the end.
  • Epona222
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    Azum didn't give me this quest, it was given to me by Sind who is the boyfriend of Tand, one of the captives - I've done it multiple times on different characters, and Azum isn't the questgiver. Azum is Hadran's sidekick/business partner who pretends to help you find Tand, with the sole purpose of luring you into a trap. The quest makes sense, I wasn't confused by it at all.
    Edited by Epona222 on May 25, 2016 7:41AM
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  • elowan
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    First off, kudos to @MikeyGoWOOGA for an impressive necro, nearly 2 years after my original post , and 9 months since I last played ;-).

    Second, @Epona222 , the issue at hand isn't who handed out the original quest in the chain, which is always Sind, Tand's boyfriend. The issue is the 2nd quest in chain, which is handed out by Azum. ("Into the Vice Den" is from Sind, "Hadran's Fall" is given by Azum.)

    Now, it's been well over a year since I last touched the quest, but I ended up doing it 6-7 times on different various flavors of regular / silver vet / gold vet. It's possible it's changed since I last played it, but considering it didn't change from beta on, probably not ;-).

    Basically, in "Into the Vice Den," after Sind sends you in to find out what happened to Tand, you end up running around 'playing' the various gambling activities etc., then get a meeting with Hadran. After the meeting, Hadran's men ambush you. When you survive the battle (of course!), you get directed towards a new quest, given out by Azum, called "Hadran's Fall."

    The essence of Hadran's Fall is basically Azum saying to you "hey, I signed up for gambling and stuff, I didn't sign up for this slaving crap, and I want to stop abusing poor people. Help me knock off Hadran, I'll be the big boss, we can stop this nasty stuff for good, and get back to the good business of gambling and games of chance."

    She then outlines a plan both for freeing the slaves (including Tand), as well as drawing out Hadran so you can kill him.

    Now, is what she's saying too good to be true? Sort of, but not 100%. You can actually find her journal (I don't remember where it is, it's been too long, but it's in her desk / tent / office etc.) Here it is: Azum's Journal. Read it, and you'll find that while she doesn't give a damn about the slaves, she's pissed off at how much law enforcement heat the slaving operation brings down on the whole operation. The gambling makes them more money, and she wants Hadran out of the way 1) so she can rule everything (and have all the profits), and 2) so she can shut down the slaving operation (not because she cares, but because it's too risky). She even ends it with "Just need to find the right dupe to put a blade in that old cat's back. Then the whole operation will be mine."

    Which leads us to the final battle. After carefully orchestrating the prison breaks, slaughtering countless guards, and finally drawing out Hadran, Azum SHOULD show up and back YOU up, complete her takeover and let you walk away. (or just hedge her bets and stay out of it, see if you can take him out!) Hadran would die, she would take over, she can close down the slaving operation (making you feel good about the whole thing), and her dreams will have come true. Instead, she inexplicably backs Hadran up, entirely counter to both what she told you and what she wrote in her own journal!

    Unless you dip into truly unlikely double-agent-spy territory, and assume that she faked her own journal with the expectation that you would sneak in and read it, the quest is badly structured. Either somebody changed their mind about the story-line, and forgot to change up a bunch of dialogue and flavor text, or somebody play-tested it, decided that the Hadran battle was too easy without backup heals, and thought "hey, we have a named healer right here, the right hand woman, let's use her" without actually reading the quest text.
  • DoctorESO
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    Edited by DoctorESO on June 19, 2018 8:00AM
  • Gelmir
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    Indeed, just did this quest on my alt after 4 years - was shocked when I had to kill Azum as well. I killed Hadran first btw, Azum didn't yield.
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