Dayv wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

epoling wrote: »

Some guild that opposes the worship of evil!!! Tired of seeing everybody wanting to be vampires, werewolves, assassins and the like. It says a lot about the direction of society when evil is THE cool thing to be. (And just for the record - especially assassins - they are paid murderers. How badly have we gone off the rails when games somehow try to paint them as misunderstood good guys?)

It's not so much a comment on society as teenage angst. Teenagers rebel against the norms, before they realise the norms are there as they work well and are enjoyable. Wanting to be the bad guy is part of that.

Add to that the fact that gamers often don't really want to grow up most of the time and you will have a lot that like the evil arch types.

It's why sith was overplayed in SWTOR.

Now myself I'm a goody two shoes, always the good guy type. I could not bring myself to play sith or evil as I'm fundementally opposed to it.

I like my scoundrels and rogues though, they are still good guys just not clean cut.

I do g think playing evil characters is indicative of society as a whole (if has deteriorated, no doubt about it), but it's more a phase many go through while forming thier own identity.

I don't know about SWTOR, but in WoW it was generally recognised that the grown ups played Horde and the kids played alliance. Although, horde weren't specifically evil, just alliance was more your classic good guys.

As you say though horde were not evil, neither faction was. Alliance was typically composed of the older and younger players, the Tweens were generally horde. Tweens card more about competition and there was no doubt that horde had the better PVP racials (WOTF).

telvanni guild

this would specialize in many aspects of the enchanting skill tree and it's expansion involving up to 8 enchantments on one item. (just like we had in morrowind)

A priesthood/cultist guild. Something that would change its passives and skills depending on which deity you chose. This would allow such interraction with aedra/daedra without cluttering the skill menu.

Guppet wrote: »

Dayv wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

epoling wrote: »

Some guild that opposes the worship of evil!!! Tired of seeing everybody wanting to be vampires, werewolves, assassins and the like. It says a lot about the direction of society when evil is THE cool thing to be. (And just for the record - especially assassins - they are paid murderers. How badly have we gone off the rails when games somehow try to paint them as misunderstood good guys?)

It's not so much a comment on society as teenage angst. Teenagers rebel against the norms, before they realise the norms are there as they work well and are enjoyable. Wanting to be the bad guy is part of that.

Add to that the fact that gamers often don't really want to grow up most of the time and you will have a lot that like the evil arch types.

It's why sith was overplayed in SWTOR.

Now myself I'm a goody two shoes, always the good guy type. I could not bring myself to play sith or evil as I'm fundementally opposed to it.

I like my scoundrels and rogues though, they are still good guys just not clean cut.

I do g think playing evil characters is indicative of society as a whole (if has deteriorated, no doubt about it), but it's more a phase many go through while forming thier own identity.

I don't know about SWTOR, but in WoW it was generally recognised that the grown ups played Horde and the kids played alliance. Although, horde weren't specifically evil, just alliance was more your classic good guys.

As you say though horde were not evil, neither faction was. Alliance was typically composed of the older and younger players, the Tweens were generally horde. Tweens card more about competition and there was no doubt that horde had the better PVP racials (WOTF).

I think people just play what people want to play. Unless some sort of study was conducted on age groups versus alliance (or on personal identity versus alliance), you both are just using anecdotal evidence to come to completely different conclusions, as well as making sweeping generalizations about the type of people that play a certain archetype in a video game.

That aside, I would like to see some sort of a good guild. Priest, or Daedric Prince worship (which is essentially the same in TES world) probably being the most obvious.

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

epoling wrote: »

Some guild that opposes the worship of evil!!! Tired of seeing everybody wanting to be vampires, werewolves, assassins and the like. It says a lot about the direction of society when evil is THE cool thing to be. (And just for the record - especially assassins - they are paid murderers. How badly have we gone off the rails when games somehow try to paint them as misunderstood good guys?)

Just look back at 1977 for one good example. Small, whiney and otherwise rather pathetic hero somehow triumphs against massively overwhelming odds and a large, imposing and ruthless bad guy. Luke versus Vader.

It wasn't Lucas' intent to make Vader so much more popular than Luke, but it spoke to a part of our conscious that is based firmly in reality: the little man, the underdog, doesn't often win. In fact, they almost NEVER do.

And having him win off of something which can otherwise be called 'LUCK', well, that's just icing on the cake.

Actually, I'm sure I can find older examples of iconic hero-villain combinations where we were subconsciously convinced, not to like the villain, but to hate the hero, or at least, that hero's work outside the law.

1962 an anti-hero named Spiderman (smart ass, skinny kid with serious social issues). Faced villains such as Carnage and Venom, Dr Octopus, Green Goblin)

1939, we had Batman. You probably know how much of an anti-hero he's transformed into, and how much we like Joker (whether it's Heath Ledger or Jack Nicholson)

1933, Lone Ranger worked outside the law with his little Indian buddy.

Obviously, we can go further back for stories associated with rebellion, overwhelming odds and taking matters into our own hands, with stories related to the Renniscance, King Arther, the Crusades, etc, etc.

My point, overall, is that idealizing 'assassins', murder, death and rebellion are not modern trends. If anything, they seem to be traditional values in many, many cultures, wrapped up not only in our legends and stories and religious icons, but in our government figures (American Revolution).

There is a big difference between your examples and the modern worship of assassins, mercenaries, etc. Most of your examples are people who were trying to maintain justice and "truth". Very rarely did they kill anybody, even the bad guy, and when they did there was at least a token period of angst. Conflating rebellion with murder for hire is also a stretch. I know some of the modern "assassin" entertainment tries to make their "hero" have a heart of gold but it really just ends up making murder for hire that much more romantic and acceptable. In the end what has traditionally been seen as evil is being turned warm and fuzzy. Buffy the Vampire Slayer turned vampires and werewolves benign, paving way for the likes of Twilight. "Evil" has been made acceptable. You can try and justify it all you want, but it represents a major societal shift to the dark side.

Lore potential is quite supportive when factions are mentioned.

Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild are the ones desperately missing

Then we have numerous other ones like:

Temple factions (Like popular Vigilants of Stendar, Resolution of Zenithar or Kynes Keepers of the Grove)
Morag Tong (Assassins)
Cammona Tong (Thives)
Dunmer houses
Blades
Citadel of Ebonarm
Companions
Psijic Order
Alessian Order
Ash'abah (in game already)
Bal Molagmer (Thives)
Bards College
College of Winterhold (Yea, they were found by Shalidor, they are old)
Moth Priests
Dawnguard, Silver Hand or Order of Virtuous Blood
East Empire Company (Offering perhaps special stuff for crafters/traders in game)
Greybeards
Hands of Almalexia (we are actually members after completing questline in Deshaan)
Imperial Legion (quests in Cyrodiil, another PvP skill line or sumtin)
Order of the Black Worm (Mannimarcos fellas, cmon we all know he aint done with Tamriel yet)
Renrijra Krin (Thives)
Shadow Legion (Imperial Battlemages, mage faction with a twist, possibly PvP)
Skaal nords of Solstheim
Summerset Shadows (Thives)
Sword-singers

Now there are few cases with sub-factions too many to list

Knight Orders
Ashlander Tribes
Vampire Clans

There is just way too many of those

Yea I didnt do full timeline check, so some surely wont qualify lore-wise, but hey, thats still damn loads of factions available

If it were up to me...

Thieves Guild
-Move the stealth speed penalty removal passive from vampire to thieves' guild, and give vamps something else.
-Thieves guild reputation increased by looting items from houses, banks, or other public buildings and selling them to fences.
-Works against the justice system - stolen items will be taken by guards if you're caught stealing.
-Active skills focus on illusion magic and distractions: abilities like being able to draw an enemy's attention to an area (make them turn) while remaining stealthed, or camouflage-like spells.
-Passive skills focus on making lockpicking easier/quicker, and maybe a passive like the resource gathering passives that make locked chests 'glow' when you're near them.
-Passive skills that increase the money you gain from selling stolen items to fencers.

Dark Brotherhood
-Increased in level by using sneak attacks (small amount) or by taking contracts to assassinate certain tough npcs.
-Active skills focused on sneak attacks and life draining/shadow magic
-Passive skills to increase critical damage bonus, damage dealt from stealth, etc.

Artificer's Guild
-Stamina based healing, through the use of dwemer artifacts
-Skill line levelled up by exploring and finding artifacts in dwemer ruins
-Abilities all technology based: perhaps some kind of teleport/recall device, a scepter that can heal allies, a pet dwemer spider (morphed to sphere or centurion maybe?), and additional hand-crossbow abilities that can mesh well with silver bolts
-At highest rank, perhaps a passive that grants you the ability to craft items in dwemer style (or convert items to dwemer style, like the imperial edition allows), allowing us to use armor and weapons with a kind of steampunk theme

Pilgrim/Monk? (Name could use some work)
-Levelled up by visiting holy temples and shrines located throughout tamriel
-Unarmed attacks (not a weapon type, but martial arts style punches and kicks to give that monk feel, similar in mechanics to silver bolts)
-Self and group buffing 'prayer' spells that are like auras and can be toggled on or off



Now for additional weapon lines, I'd like to see these two:

Polearms
-Two handed spears, pikes, halberds, poleaxes, and battle staffs
-Active skills focus on pbaoe area sweeping attacks
-Heavy focus on control - your attacks knock down, knock back, daze, or stun enemies
-Higher defensive applications than 2h/dw, but not as much as 1h/shield, allowing for polearm tanking
-Longer range on abilities and base attacks than 2handers (10 meters, vs the 2hander 7 meters)
-All attacks have a short cast or channel time so that the weapon type is 'slower' than 2hander or others, but not by much. 0.5 second cast times maybe?
-Passives based on armor piercing, defensive bonuses, and weapon reach

Crossbows
-Two handed ranged weapon
-Unlike the bow line, has no AoE applications, focuses on single target damage only
-Shorter range than bows
-Higher burst damage on single targets than bows
-Passives focused on armor piercing and debuffing enemies

A personality cult that glorifies M'aiq the Liar.

Chef's Guild

You could share stories about things you'd baked or brewed. Swap recipes with other guildies. And of course you could group up to go on difficult ingredient finding missions (hey... that market is a dangerous place...lol)

Enkil wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Priest guild would be good. It would complete the classic 4, Mage, fighter, thief and priest. Would be nice to have healing spells that font need staves and not have to be a Templar. Templars may complain that they loose their special thing.

I'm a Templar and I would like something like this... Sorta like the Imperial Cult or Tribunal Temple in Morrowind. Benefits vary depending on patron diety/prince etc.

Hmm, if they made it a stamina based healer, it would be something not in the game right now and would compliment the Templar that does not use a staff.

All healers would also then have access to a heal based ultimate.

Could be stamina based as if draws on inner strength. Kind if like a radiance.

epoling wrote: »

Some guild that opposes the worship of evil!!! Tired of seeing everybody wanting to be vampires, werewolves, assassins and the like. It says a lot about the direction of society when evil is THE cool thing to be. (And just for the record - especially assassins - they are paid murderers. How badly have we gone off the rails when games somehow try to paint them as misunderstood good guys?)

... it's a game, not real life. Sometimes people want to take a break from reality and see what it's like to live on the cold other side of humanity.

Arena PvP Guild
where you become reknown for your actions in the Imperial city arena and learn new abilitys to handle the pressure even beter. Maybe even passivs wich reduce damage recived from players by %?

Bards College

I was thinking about Necromancer guild, that it would be an interesting option if it would be made as some kind of dark side where you could reject the main quest and became follower of Minimarco instead. He would guide you the same way as Prophet guides you and you would be able to do quests for all the hostile fractions of different kind of cultists. You could be a vampire or werewolf, but you couldnt join any class guild (mage/fighter). NPCs in cities would be hostile to you, so you would be some kind of outcast, but you could hide in sewers (they have to build them for thieves guild anyway )
You would do the same quests as you do now, but from the opposite way - like poisoning trees, capturing an NPC, burning fields, summoning daedra, opening portals and doing bloody sacrifices. After reaching lvl 50, Molag Bal himself would meet you and in some kind of painful transformation he would make you his champion and as daily you would be send to the world for a few minutes to gather souls. Your lvl would be scaled to the lvl of the random choosen zone and Im not sure,but maybe it would work if players would have to kill you. If not, you would kill all around you as some kind of badass.