They have already confirmed that camps are coming back. Possibly with a shorter radius and respawn timer.

I want them back, but i want it so that only people who died within the radius can respawn. Each player has 1 spawn each and the camp it's self has a 20 spawn limit total. Increase the price of them or possibly remove them from siege merchants and have them as a drop from the PvP reward bags.

Orchish wrote: »

have them as a drop from the PvP reward bags.

Great idea! Rewards for the worthy would finally feel like a real reward.

How will limiting the radius do anything about "troll camping"? This aspect will still be a HUGE problem.

Will it not?

Goldie wrote: »

How will limiting the radius do anything about "troll camping"? This aspect will still be a HUGE problem.

Will it not?

They need to have it so that the name of the player who placed the camp is shown. It's a win win because those who place legit camps will be credited by the alliance. Those who troll will be found out.

I want them back because Cyrodiil is too boring right now. FCs were out of hand before, but I think the middle ground ZOS has talked about would allow for more action, and thus more fun- it is a game, after all.

1. Max users limit.
2. Username log. One transit per unique user.
3. No respawn on death. Keep to camp transit only (like outposts).
4. Collapses if unused for 30 seconds.
5. Placement limited to half keep-keep radius and only within vicinity of "owned keeps"
6. All resources must be taken before the keep walls can be damaged and keep transit closed.
7. No FCs inside keeps.

Why ?...
1. Cant have unlimited users and must have a cost to stop FC spamming.
2. These are supposed to be mobile transit points. A whole army can still be relocated to a scouts location instantly...but its a one way journey (with costs). No spam spawns.
3. This is supposed to be an extension to the transit system as a fast response to problem areas scouts have found. Not a deathport.
4. Stops camps being left up all day long and give cost an impact. Forces armies to coordinate and move enmasse at the same time rather than dribble in.
5. The whole point of the game is to conquer keeps from one faction scroll to another faction scroll. The aim is building a chain of "owned" keeps to allow fast transit from one side of the map to the other to support capturing the scroll and provide reinforcements en route for return journey. Allowing FCs to bypass this "keep chain" destroys the fundamental core of PVP (taking keeps). So FCs can only be placed within the radius/range of "owned keeps".
6. Makes claiming resources as important as keeps. Allows the battlefront to be moved to resources and falling back to the keep only when they are all lost. Also gives defenders an early warning to get back to the keep while transit is open.
7. The need to capture resources gives plenty of time for defenders to return and amass. There is already a transit point within the keep.

The idea of these limitations is to allow an army to "instantly" cover half the keep distance to the nearest enemy keep only (and not jump the whole map). Scouts are a requirement for placing camps. It is no longer a deathspawn spam point but a oneshot oneway transit for the living. They effectively become mobile outposts that allow "stealth entry" closer to enemy keep areas and speed up travel considerably rather than bypass the transit system. The concept of the "Keep Chain" supply line remains intact.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

1. Max users limit.
2. Username log. One transit per unique user.
3. No respawn on death. Keep to camp transit only (like outposts).
4. Collapses if unused for 30 seconds.
5. Placement limited to half keep-keep radius and only within vicinity of "owned keeps"
6. All resources must be taken before the keep walls can be damaged and keep transit closed.
7. No FCs inside keeps.

Why ?...
1. Cant have unlimited users and must have a cost to stop FC spamming.
2. These are supposed to be mobile transit points. A whole army can still be relocated to a scouts location instantly...but its a one way journey (with costs). No spam spawns.
3. This is supposed to be an extension to the transit system as a fast response to problem areas scouts have found. Not a deathport.
4. Stops camps being left up all day long and give cost an impact. Forces armies to coordinate and move enmasse at the same time rather than dribble in.
5. The whole point of the game is to conquer keeps from one faction scroll to another faction scroll. The aim is building a chain of "owned" keeps to allow fast transit from one side of the map to the other to support capturing the scroll and provide reinforcements en route for return journey. Allowing FCs to bypass this "keep chain" destroys the fundamental core of PVP (taking keeps). So FCs can only be placed within the radius/range of "owned keeps".
6. Makes claiming resources as important as keeps. Allows the battlefront to be moved to resources and falling back to the keep only when they are all lost. Also gives defenders an early warning to get back to the keep while transit is open.
7. The need to capture resources gives plenty of time for defenders to return and amass. There is already a transit point within the keep.

The idea of these limitations is to allow an army to "instantly" cover half the keep distance to the nearest enemy keep only (and not jump the whole map). Scouts are a requirement for placing camps. It is no longer a deathspawn spam point but a oneshot oneway transit for the living. They effectively become mobile outposts that allow "stealth entry" closer to enemy keep areas and speed up travel considerably rather than bypass the transit system. The concept of the "Keep Chain" supply line remains intact.

Some OK ideas

1.Theres supposed to be a max amount of people who can spawn on camps. This could be addressed with X amount of time before respawn which has beenmentioned by the devs, 3~5 minutes from what I've heard. I'd be fine with 10~15 minutes before you could use a camp again.

2.Addressed with X amount of time to spawn, rather have usename by camp incase they cant address troll camping.

3.This sounds pretty broken lol, you couldhave an entire faction in one location if coordinated. Say you are DC and you have Fargyl and bloodmayne. You then can instatransit to that camp and you can keep on spamming that until everyone is there. Would make the Locks on the map ZoS has placed useless if that was the case.

4. Personally dont agree, with 30 seconds, Just faster degredation maybe, but either way dont see it as an issue other than it being put in keeps.

5. If not in keeps, maybe resources, but the whole point of forward camps is to have less downtime from riding, and to have downtime when you die when you get your "X" amount of time before rezzing.
6. I dont believe we should be forced to take resources at to take a keep. Sneak attacks are part of strategy.

Sinbaar wrote: »

atm i really don't care about FC...i was one, who almost cried when finding out that they were removed. i totally didn't want to do any pvp again. i was in there, twice and hated it. And then i was in Cyrodiil again and again and i actually liked it - a LOT! I don't see any advantage or diadvantage in bringing them back..because a good pvp group doesn't need them very much anyways

I agree 100%

if FCs come back, and end up once again supporting mindless zerg blobing, i will quit PvP.

the lag, crashing, exploiting, block and casting, and all the other crap that infests PvP is bad enough. i myself wont deal with any more zerg blob camps.

when they come back, i really hope they end up being a strategic use, and not something that mindless blobs of impulselings just use when their bomb runs fail.

Goldie wrote: »

How will limiting the radius do anything about "troll camping"? This aspect will still be a HUGE problem.

Will it not?

So.. because sometimes a troll camp would keep us from getting a camp where we need it, you'd rather have NO camps, so we'll NEVER have a camp where we need it?
I'm not following your logic here...

FC's should of been deleted when they stopped them from being bought. Please do not bring them back in any form. People want more content in Cyrodiil so add more locations such as listening posts/observation posts. Plenty of guilds have stacks of FC's still, so the zerg became more powerful since they are the ones swimming in AP in the first place. Most importantly before we discuss any other issue in the game for which we all paid a lot of money to play..... allow us to play it.. crash free, less lag, and without broken mechanics that allow 7 people to hide behind a box and wipe an entire faction.

Don't bring em back.

I would compromise on a personal tent. You put it up yourself and you are the only one who can rez on it perhaps just one time and the tent is gone, slightly different from the OP's suggestion. Personal tent could also be burned by enemies. When you have one up, you can't put up another.

This will not be abused as the FCs (blood porting) because in order to rez on it you have to put it up first!