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THE PRICE OF A SOUL GEM!!! ***!!!!
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Insurrektion✭✭✭Can they be serious?
3600 AP for ONE soul gem...
Pretty sure someone skrewed that one up or doesn't know economics. Look at the gold->ap ratio for a lot of the siege items you can purchase.
You can see clear evidence of a forced economy here. Soul gems are being forced into high demand while siege equipment is deflated in cost. Whatever I guess. People can just go and res their buddies after a battle and let the other groups that fight at the keeps figure out how they are going to recover after a fight. At that price, they aren't going to flood the market. Let's give it a week and see how it plays out. My prediction is more ressing after battles but not complete recovery.0 -
Aoe_Barbecue✭✭✭✭✭WTS full stacks of filled grand soul gems. 24,000 gold per stack. PST! @corx3
(You think I'm kidding? I'm not kidding.
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Gooey✭✭✭Lol, good job ZoS, yet another screwup. I think I'll stick to my ways of getting my soul gems for free from my bags.0
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kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm fine with it being that, HOWEVER you should be getting a tonne of AP back from rezzing people.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...1 -
Tintinabula✭✭✭✭✭
✭considering the majority of soul gems are wasted anyways on people who dont know how to rezz...and crouch0 -
GorraShatan✭✭✭✭13-15k is the going rate in gold. If this is too much AP for you, go with that. I'm glad they didn't undercut the hell out of the filled gem market by making these too cheap. I just wished they'd have included a cheaper (~500-1000 AP) for unfilled gems.3 -
well to be fair they are trying to prevent never ending battles, camps were spawned all day and they were much more expensive. plus you should be dying a lot less and being less reckless now. it seems a bit high but honestly I dont think it shouldnt be under 3k, death needs to have a meaningful cost.2
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EIGHTS✭✭✭✭You only get 27 AP when you fix wall once. But you need to spend 300 AP to buy a wall stone. I spent 30K AP in one hour today. So I think it's fine at that price. XDI'm not native speaker in English. I hope that I don't make you misunderstand.2 -
AssaultLemming✭✭✭✭At this price I don't see myself buying them at all, and given that the rewards for pvp suck so badly I'm not going to spend gold on them for use in PvP either. No rezzes for anyone! Make it a few hundred for unfilled ones.0
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VileIntent✭✭✭✭EVANWSEATHub17_ESO wrote: »I assume they made it such a steep cost so it wouldn't be a lucrative option for making Gold.
And now we know why its high... no biggie its a filled soul gem. FC are on their way back. You don't have to res anyone anyway.0 -
Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lets think this through rationally.
How much do people sell the 248000 AP purple pieces for?
Take that value, and compare it to the value of a stack of soul gems.
if the value of the soul gems is 1.5x the value of the purple piece, then the amount per gem at market value is correct.
i.e. if someone is selling a purple v14 PvP item for 8000 gold, and the value of a stack of filled soul gems is 12000 gold, then the 360k/stack AP price is correct.Edited by Rylana on November 14, 2014 12:48PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Mountain_Dewed✭✭✭I'm curious, is it the "PvP only players" that have this problem or, no, that wouldn't be right because they make tons of ap if that all they do. I dunno? Either you make a bunch of AP or a bunch of gold right?
I guess I am confused on how you don't have one or the other? I have plenty of gold and fairly do well on AP. I don't have buckets of gold but I mean I have my horses, bank and inventory all bought and nothing else to spend it on except the likes of soul gems for example. I can craft anything I need such as pots, armor, weapons, food,
I wouldn't pay this much for SG's but my point is can't you afford it if you don't have the gold or if it's too much AP, don't you have 15k in gold for a stack?0 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lets think this through rationally.
How much do people sell the 248000 AP purple pieces for?
Take that value, and compare it to the value of a stack of soul gems.
if the value of the soul gems is 1.5x the value of the purple piece, then the amount per gem at market value is correct.
i.e. if someone is selling a purple v14 PvP item for 8000 gold, and the value of a stack of filled soul gems is 12000 gold, then the 360k/stack AP price is correct.
This is nonsense because gear from elite vendors is sold from players who don't know what else to do with their AP only anyway. What are the most common PvP ranks you see in Cyrodiil? Do you seriously think those people would ever buy gear pieces for 248k AP and sell them for 8k gold afterwards?DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lets think this through rationally.
How much do people sell the 248000 AP purple pieces for?
Take that value, and compare it to the value of a stack of soul gems.
if the value of the soul gems is 1.5x the value of the purple piece, then the amount per gem at market value is correct.
i.e. if someone is selling a purple v14 PvP item for 8000 gold, and the value of a stack of filled soul gems is 12000 gold, then the 360k/stack AP price is correct.
This is nonsense because gear from elite vendors is sold from players who don't know what else to do with their AP only anyway. What are the most common PvP ranks you see in Cyrodiil? Do you seriously think those people would ever buy gear pieces for 248k AP and sell them for 8k gold afterwards?
And yet that is exactly the market value of the spot price i checked out at one of the largest trading guilds in the game.
8k is on the low end, but its a reasonable price, some are slightly higher.
Market value for a stack of soul gems is a 10-12k range currently.
Therefore, using those values, 360k for a stack in terms of AP fits the in game economy. Any fluctuation affects the market, but in ways you might not expect.
if the AP cost is lower, the value of the gold price becomes lower, BUT supply becomes scarce because it is no longer profitable to generate full soul gems since the base cost is so prohibitively high (in fact selling a stack now for 12k isnt even breaking even @ cyrodiil vendor cost for empties). Demand drops, but so does supply because the market is no longer profitable at all. Right now the loss on investment is offset by gold gained via selling residual loot during the process of farming. Once loss becomes greater than recoup, the market ends, completely, and we are back to a time when no one sold soul gems (the first month of live). PvP and boss drops become the ONLY source of soul gems.
If the AP cost is higher, the value increases in gold terms, making it even harder to purchase them outside of AP means. The costs for everyone goes up dramatically, and would serve as a potential conduit for AP farmers to effectively corner the market. PvP and boss drops become the ONLY source of soul gems.
In either case you become presented with two choices - PvP a LOT or farm for yourself a LOT. Neither is a good solution to what is not already broken.
The price as is, is probably the best price they could have chosen, given current in game pricing that has remained fairly constant since launch, despite spikes and dips due to certain exploits that have since been fixed.Edited by Rylana on November 14, 2014 2:44PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Buying a stack of soul gems from a player is like 18-20k. Does this mean 360k alliance points= 18-20k? Or 90k from vendors for a stack= 360k alliance points?Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭buy stacks of empty in pve vendor.
put skill points in the skill that sometimes fill a gem when u kill others.
play pvp??
profit.
soooooooooooooo easy to fill up gems. why r people up in arms about this?August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
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Mondrely✭✭✭So it used to cost 7200 AP for something that could resurrect 20 people. Now it costs half that for something that can only resurrect 1 person. Makes total sense...0 -
GorraShatan✭✭✭✭You're overpaying for your soul gems. 15k tops (and people are willing to sell for less too).
I don't think you're meant to actually buy a stack of soul gems at the vendor. They're there for when you're in a pinch. Buy a stack from another player. Yay in game economy.0 -
Insurrektion✭✭✭Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »WTS full stacks of filled grand soul gems. 24,000 gold per stack. PST! @corx3
(You think I'm kidding? I'm not kidding.)
The DAY the FCs were released I told people that soul gem prices were going to skyrocket. I haven't sunk tens of thousands of gold into them buying stacks while they were cheap predicting the prices would go up because soul gems for ap and the return of limited FCs. I cannot risk a loss on a wrong prediction because I'm genuinely poor I don't have the fastest horse I don't have any purple motifs I barely have 20k in my bank from all my toons. If you want to make money on market trends you need to buy everything you can NOW for around 125-150/filled gem, and try to sell them for 200-250 (i dont think you'll get more) ASAP. It's Friday now, there'll be a big prime time this weekend you could probably manage to sell them off over the weekend if you try. Next week or maybe the following, ZOS will MAYBE either reduce soul gem ap costs or implement limited FCs. When that happens, the soul gem gold costs will drop. The idea is to buy them now while the prices are bound to go up, sell them at their peak, and maybe restock your supplies on them later on when they are cheaper and net a modest profit. (or invest in limited FCs if that's your strategy for filling that need)Edited by Insurrektion on November 14, 2014 6:58PM0 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm fine with it being that, HOWEVER you should be getting a tonne of AP back from rezzing people.
rezzing people needs to give tons of AP in my opinion. at least 2K each rez is enough in my opinion.
if ZOS is going to make soul gems that high, then give us a way to keep up with the AP to buy them.0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can they be serious?
3600 AP for ONE soul gem...
Man, if only these things were available for extremely cheap elsewhere and you could do something to fill them on your own that didn't cost AP at all...
Now that would really be something, huh?uwamerlynn_ESO wrote: »So it used to cost 7200 AP for something that could resurrect 20 people. Now it costs half that for something that can only resurrect 1 person. Makes total sense...
It does when you consider the fact that ZOS has already stated that FCs were too cheap, and will be more expensive in the future.
I'd still rather see them not bring FCs back at all, personally. And there are plenty of people who feel the same way that I do.
You can buy a soul gem and fill it for less than it costs to port to a Wayshrine. I still don't even understand why anybody would want to buy gems for AP.Edited by Varicite on November 15, 2014 1:03AM1 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You can buy a soul gem and fill it for less than it costs to port to a Wayshrine. I still don't even understand why anybody would want to buy gems for AP.
Because there are poeple who PvP a lot so they have not much gold but quite some AP. So it would make sense if they didnt need to buy empty sould gems and fill them or buy filled ones from players but could buy gems at a reasonable price for AP. 3600 AP is way to much for what you get, it's rather comparable to the filled gems at PvE vendors. And no ones is buying those either. So we need either empty sould gems to buy for AP or the filled gem's price decreased, in both gold and AP, to a rate where it still makes sense to buy filled stacks from players but the difference is not as rediculous as it is now.
edit: corrected quotationEdited by ToRelax on November 15, 2014 2:03AMDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can buy a soul gem and fill it for less than it costs to port to a Wayshrine. I still don't even understand why anybody would want to buy gems for AP.
Because there are poeple who PvP a lot so they have not much gold but quite some AP. So it would make sense if they didnt need to buy empty sould gems and fill them or buy filled ones from players but could buy gems at a reasonable price for AP. 3600 AP is way to much for what you get, it's rather comparable to the filled gems at PvE vendors. And no ones is buying those either. So we need either empty sould gems to buy for AP or the filled gem's price decreased, in both gold and AP, to a rate where it still makes sense to buy filled stacks from players but the difference is not as rediculous as it is now.
edit: corrected quotation
But you could just buy the empty soul gems for dirt cheap and fill them up on other players while PvPing.
That's generally what I do, but I admit I started off w/ a ton of them just from leveling so many alts.0
