AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Semfim wrote: »

People who were good in the old PVP will surely contest the changes, instead of embracing the challenge. For me bottom line is that I've been having much more fun now with no FC's. It makes it that every win is permanent. Gone are the days of 2 hours defending/attacking the same keep just to see who can spawn the most FC's.

As for changes to the mechanics like heal debuffs and the sort, did you really expect that they cater to a style of play where one single player can turn the table against overwhelming odds? That was forcing everyone to create alts so they could do the FOTM OP build.

In reality there was no way around it: OP people had it coming. Now if you want to act like ZOS stole your candy and rage about it be my guest. Its sad to see good guilds like Abraxxus one leave on account that they cant steamroll everyone anymore, where they should really adapt and bite the bullet.

I'm sure everyone screaming that they can't 1vX anymore is still more solid than 90% of the players out there. Use that to you advantage, just remember the odds are more even now. But this being a MMO, I'm sure few will ever think that challenge is good in PvP...

Steamrolling is even easier for us as a train as we've farmed undaunted, I don't want to roll call my train whenever i want to PvP. Small scale is ruined as everyone is nuttcupping.

Let's say we are completely outnumber in a 1:5 ratio and the keep is below 50%. Going outside is not an option as it will end up resulting in deaths eventually, There is no longer an opportunity to hold them off enough time for reinforcements to arrive as a death means your out of the fight and your riding back with your tail between your legs.

So waiting inside a keep while you watch them siege is not fun at all.

When they breach and your still outnumbered as it's took them 10 seconds to siege it down with no opposition. There is an opportunity to hold them in the breach but your going to get overwhelmed eventually and your out the fight.

So retreating to the inner and watch them siege again.

Numbers will always prevail now. It's not about adapting, It's the fact that melee combat, lack of objectives, slow combat, and fighting outnumbered is completely demolished.

It's not a challenge, It's like kicking water uphill. Pointless.

Ever heard of "counter-siege"? Maybe you awesome guild ain't that awesome if all you can do is zergball or watch. Scattershot and meatbags are in the game for a reason. Learn new things.

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Semfim wrote: »

People who were good in the old PVP will surely contest the changes, instead of embracing the challenge. For me bottom line is that I've been having much more fun now with no FC's. It makes it that every win is permanent. Gone are the days of 2 hours defending/attacking the same keep just to see who can spawn the most FC's.

As for changes to the mechanics like heal debuffs and the sort, did you really expect that they cater to a style of play where one single player can turn the table against overwhelming odds? That was forcing everyone to create alts so they could do the FOTM OP build.

In reality there was no way around it: OP people had it coming. Now if you want to act like ZOS stole your candy and rage about it be my guest. Its sad to see good guilds like Abraxxus one leave on account that they cant steamroll everyone anymore, where they should really adapt and bite the bullet.

I'm sure everyone screaming that they can't 1vX anymore is still more solid than 90% of the players out there. Use that to you advantage, just remember the odds are more even now. But this being a MMO, I'm sure few will ever think that challenge is good in PvP...

Steamrolling is even easier for us as a train as we've farmed undaunted, I don't want to roll call my train whenever i want to PvP. Small scale is ruined as everyone is nuttcupping.

Let's say we are completely outnumber in a 1:5 ratio and the keep is below 50%. Going outside is not an option as it will end up resulting in deaths eventually, There is no longer an opportunity to hold them off enough time for reinforcements to arrive as a death means your out of the fight and your riding back with your tail between your legs.

So waiting inside a keep while you watch them siege is not fun at all.

When they breach and your still outnumbered as it's took them 10 seconds to siege it down with no opposition. There is an opportunity to hold them in the breach but your going to get overwhelmed eventually and your out the fight.

So retreating to the inner and watch them siege again.

Numbers will always prevail now. It's not about adapting, It's the fact that melee combat, lack of objectives, slow combat, and fighting outnumbered is completely demolished.

It's not a challenge, It's like kicking water uphill. Pointless.

Ever heard of "counter-siege"? Maybe you awesome guild ain't that awesome if all you can do is zergball or watch. Scattershot and meatbags are in the game for a reason. Learn new things.

No one has ever died to a siege weapon if no one can engage in other combat also.

Plus sieging is not PvP.


Fact.

Wow.

So, let me see if I have this right because I am a bit foggy on some points, being as I am such a scrub. I figured when *players* are attacking a castle defended by *players* with other incongruent goals, it is "player vs. player". My logic must be flawed. Maybe you can enlighten me. Cuz when my lame guild does counter-seige, people die. Cuz ya know...I can see them dying and driving my KDR up. Of course things like bows and spells can sure help too-- but that must be a figment of my imagination. So let me see if I get what you're saying, for my own education.

The real roxor PVPers in your guild understand the keys to success to be:

1. Attempt pain-train on superior force and fail.
2. Fall back to keep, and stand there with thumb in orifice while enemy sets up.
3. Once they are ready to siege, jump off the wall, thus surrendering the tactical advantage of having...you know....YOUR OWN CONCENTRIC FRIGGIN CASTLE.
4. Carefully avoid putting caltrops in the breach or using oil or melee tanks to hold the line.
5. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES use multi-tiered defensive tactics!
6. Attempt another pain train on superior force in open ground, and fail.
7. Come to forums and cry like a nancy while somehow (hilarously) attempting to maintain a smug attitude of superiority for knowing how to really get crushed like a champion.

You go, business pro! Here's a hanky. Now go to the bathroom and get yourself presentable. Those puffy red eyes make you so unattractive.

I haven't noticed any drop in pvp population, and the fights are 10x mmore enjoyable without the blood port exploits.