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Will a VR14 character have an advantage over a VR1 character when veteran ranks are removed?
Grunim
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OK, I currently have one VR14 character, 3 lower level vet ranked characters and 2 non vet characters. Some people state that if you have at least one VR14 character, your other characters who have reached level 50 (currently known as veteran characters) will be equally as strong to a VR14 character since champion points will be shared by account.
However, we've also been told that for every veteran rank a character has earned, they are awarded one skill point and one attribute point.
So, will my VR14 character always have more skill points and attribute points than my lower level vet characters, or will all my level 50 characters be awarded the same amount of skill points and attribute points that my VR14 character is granted come champion system conversion time?
If this question were answered, I believe people would have a better understanding of how important it is or isn't to level up their alt veteran characters during this transition phase.
ZOS, could you possibly enlighten us? Thanks in advance.
However, we've also been told that for every veteran rank a character has earned, they are awarded one skill point and one attribute point.
So, will my VR14 character always have more skill points and attribute points than my lower level vet characters, or will all my level 50 characters be awarded the same amount of skill points and attribute points that my VR14 character is granted come champion system conversion time?
If this question were answered, I believe people would have a better understanding of how important it is or isn't to level up their alt veteran characters during this transition phase.
ZOS, could you possibly enlighten us? Thanks in advance.
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Potenza✭✭✭✭✭Well as of now your earning a skill point and attribute point for each VR level. How is the champion system going to change that?
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BCBasher✭✭✭A vr14 will have additional attribute points and possibly more skills leveled because they've been played more along with the benefits that assigning the champion points bring.0 -
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✭I think he means if, say, you have a VR14 who earned 14 skill\attribute points, and you have a VR2 who has earned 2 skill\attribute points. Will the VR2 get credited with 12 skill\attribute points when the champion system goes live?Edited by OrangeTheCat on November 12, 2014 8:43PM2 -
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There will be no VR levels when the Champion system is finalized.j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Well as of now your earning a skill point and attribute point for each VR level. How is the champion system going to change that?
I'd like to know this too. VR14 will of course have an advantage in champion points (compared to an account where the highest ranked character is lower than 14), but I don't think ZOS explained how they'll handle VR attribute points. It would be very unfair if lower ranked characters lost those points forever.Edited by Rosveen on November 12, 2014 8:46PM1 -
Potenza✭✭✭✭✭They have not be very clear about how the champion system is going to work and this is why there is so much confusion. It obviously would not make sense for it to work out like the OP is saying. To be honest maybe ZOS should leave it alone don't implement this "champion" system - it will probably be a disaster.2
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭My VR9 Witch has 7 skill points she has little use for. Two crafts maxxed and everything she wants and at this point I don't need more skill points. No where to put them.
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Grunim✭✭✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »I think he means if, say, you have a VR14 who earned 14 skill\attribute points, and you have a VR2 who has earned 2 skill\attribute points. Will the VR2 get credited with 12 skill\attribute points when the champion system goes live?
Yes, that's essentially the question. Thanks for phrasing it more succinctly than I did.
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eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭I would surmise that there will still remain in the champion system a way for you to rank up for a new attribute point, skill point and access to new armor; otherwise the only way to be fair would be to remove all post 50 points and turn all VR gear into VR1/lvl50 stats.
and doing all of that at this point in the game would be absurd and kill a large number of subscriptions.1 -
AaronMB✭✭✭Of course ZoS will give credit to those high level V14s. Why do you think they've slowed down forward progress for the rest.....?
/sarcasmEdited by AaronMB on November 12, 2014 9:28PM1 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭I can't believe how unbelievably confusing this all is. I'm just as much in the dark as you.
Games have been doing leveling since Bard's Tale and Wizardry. You get experience by questing and killing stuff. You get a level which gives you more hit points and maybe a new skill.
Why is this so difficult?Reften
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✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »I think he means if, say, you have a VR14 who earned 14 skill\attribute points, and you have a VR2 who has earned 2 skill\attribute points. Will the VR2 get credited with 12 skill\attribute points when the champion system goes live?
Yes, that's essentially the question. Thanks for phrasing it more succinctly than I did.
Short answer, yes.
Long answer, there will be some sort of levels, otherwise you will have people complaining they can't get the full amount of skill/attribute points. Now the fine details are pure guesswork, but a VR14 character will have a clear advantage.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Anvos✭✭✭I still say there isn't enough information to know how this will turn out or if this will even happen, as I haven't seen anything that removes doubt that vet ranks and champion system won't exist at the same time, as a lot of the champ system has always felt like a legacy system to me.0 -
Potenza✭✭✭✭✭I can't believe how unbelievably confusing this all is. I'm just as much in the dark as you.
Games have been doing leveling since Bard's Tale and Wizardry. You get experience by questing and killing stuff. You get a level which gives you more hit points and maybe a new skill.
Why is this so difficult?
You mean for ZOS right?0 -
Nihil✭✭✭From what they had said so far, When the champion system first rolls out, Veteran ranks will still be in effect (so any lvl vr 1 will still be vr one but have all the champion points as your vr 14 but I am assuming they won't have the skill points and attribute points when the champion system rolls out). After that they are going to monitor it for a bit as they have a couple of ideas on how they will remove veteran ranks but it is a complicated process that they aren't doing at the same time as implementing the champion system.
the non TL:DR version found in thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122386/general-confusion-about-veteran-rank-and-champion-system/p1ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.
We are hard at work on it and I’m here to answer a few of your questions. Most of these questions were also asked during our Guild Round Table in the last two days.
How will the current system change when the Champion System gets introduced?
The Champion System will introduce new past lvl 50 progression for your account where previously there was only an increase in Veteran Ranks and Attributes. The Champion System allows you spend points in the constellations to earn powerful passives such as giving your bash a chance to snare targets, reduce the amount of damage you take from flames or leech health on critical strikes.
What happens to the Veteran Ranks we currently have VR1-12?
We want to remove the Veteran Ranks from the game and rely on the more active progression provided by the Champion System. However, when we release the Champion System we will continue to maintain Veteran Ranks. We have several options as to how we will remove Veteran Ranks but all of them require time and careful planning. In the meantime, we are making Veteran Ranks earned by XP and reducing the overall time it takes to get a Veteran Rank. We are also rewarding an Attribute Point and a Skill Point each time you reach a Veteran Rank.
What happens to the Skill Points from VR1-12? Are they carried over to the CS instead?
The Skill Points we reward will not be removed from you! You will continue to have the same amount of Skill Points you do now. The Champion System does not reward any Skill Points, only gaining Veteran Ranks does. When we take out Veteran Ranks we will make sure that anyone that didn't make it max Veteran Rank will still rewarded with those Skill Points.
Does everyone that is a Veteran Rank get lowered back to lvl50? Or are the Ranks staying, but only being changed to lvl 51, 52, etc instead?
Similar to an answer before, we just don’t know yet.
Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.
Edited by Nihil on November 12, 2014 9:32PM3 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »I can't believe how unbelievably confusing this all is. I'm just as much in the dark as you.
Games have been doing leveling since Bard's Tale and Wizardry. You get experience by questing and killing stuff. You get a level which gives you more hit points and maybe a new skill.
Why is this so difficult?
You mean for ZOS right?
yes absolutely...sorry wasn't clear in my anger.Reften
Bosmer (Wood Elf)
Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild
VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.
Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.
Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
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j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »They have not be very clear about how the champion system is going to work and this is why there is so much confusion. It obviously would not make sense for it to work out like the OP is saying. To be honest maybe ZOS should leave it alone don't implement this "champion" system - it will probably be a disaster.
I don't care if it starts off as a disaster, from what they have said it will ,in my opinion, be 10x better than the vet system.0