While some of their many mistakes may have reasonable explanations, what doesn't is the fact that, regardless of the countless times stuff has been bug reported on the PTS, same bugs still find their way on the live server, over and over again.

While you may not be able to explain that ZOS (which actually does require a certain of amount of courage, to explain that kind of continued ignorance), at least please explain to us why the PTS is there for, you ask/beg us to test and when we do, you don't listen to us, let alone even acknowledge our testing.

This thread has some very truthful remarks and feedback to you ZOS, if you don't learn anything from it soon, you will not be able to pull the axe out of your feet, which you yourself planted.

For me at least, it seems they killed the game good.

Can't update to 1.5.3 and trying to reinstall it made it even worse since now the launcher only tries to download the 1.5.3 patch even though i don't have the ESO client installed

So yes, now I regret having re-subscribed 4 days ago.

I'm sure that ZOS appreciates people coming to their defense, but does it really help anyone to defend sloppy QA? Let me be clear, I think this is a fantastic game overall but their practices of rushing out these updates to the point where key components of the game cannot be enjoyed is inexcusable.

I chose to suspend my continuation of the AD storyline because at my current V10 rank I have no desire to make leveling even more of a chore and will wait till they fix the broken XP. I have instead spent my time in Cyrodiil, which is fine until the lag becomes so bad that people are frozen in place and my game either crashes or I find myself dead because my character was just standing there helpless. This isn't just an occasional occurrence, it's consistent.

There are numerous other people reporting that they cannot access dungeons, form groups, complete quests or get XP. Yet here we have people not coming together in solidarity asking ZOS to change it's practices so we don't spend a week or two after each update unable to play a game that we pay for, but instead defend these these practices.

I have a difficult time convincing my friends that play FFXIV or WoW, that ESO is indeed worth switching to. Because frankly, the lack of quality or even concern that seems to go into making these updates as bug free as possible is embarrassing . Each update brings with it a new host of bugs that either never get addressed or at best take a week or more to fix. We get patches that claim things are fixed that are in fact not and then simply get ignored.

Sure I'll put up with it until it becomes F2P. But rest assured if it continues like this people will move on to something more stable, and ZOS won't have a choice but to make it F2P. You want the inevitable death of this game? Fine keep patting them on the back and telling them that they are doing a fantastic job. But if you love this game and more importantly this franchise as a whole, let's make sure they are aware of their short comings and do better to improve lest this game turn into the next SWTOR.

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I'm sure that ZOS appreciates people coming to their defense, but does it really help anyone to defend sloppy QA? Let me be clear, I think this is a fantastic game overall but their practices of rushing out these updates to the point where key components of the game cannot be enjoyed is inexcusable.

I chose to suspend my continuation of the AD storyline because at my current V10 rank I have no desire to make leveling even more of a chore and will wait till they fix the broken XP. I have instead spent my time in Cyrodiil, which is fine until the lag becomes so bad that people are frozen in place and my game either crashes or I find myself dead because my character was just standing there helpless. This isn't just an occasional occurrence, it's consistent.

There are numerous other people reporting that they cannot access dungeons, form groups, complete quests or get XP. Yet here we have people not coming together in solidarity asking ZOS to change it's practices so we don't spend a week or two after each update unable to play a game that we pay for, but instead defend these these practices.

I have a difficult time convincing my friends that play FFXIV or WoW, that ESO is indeed worth switching to. Because frankly, the lack of quality or even concern that seems to go into making these updates as bug free as possible is embarrassing . Each update brings with it a new host of bugs that either never get addressed or at best take a week or more to fix. We get patches that claim things are fixed that are in fact not and then simply get ignored.

Sure I'll put up with it until it becomes F2P. But rest assured if it continues like this people will move on to something more stable, and ZOS won't have a choice but to make it F2P. You want the inevitable death of this game? Fine keep patting them on the back and telling them that they are doing a fantastic job. But if you love this game and more importantly this franchise as a whole, let's make sure they are aware of their short comings and do better to improve lest this game turn into the next SWTOR.

Agree. Even our guild is looking around for other games to play at this point... It's pretty bad.

Unhappy and overworked employees make for a bad game, perhaps they need more vacation days, hmmm?

It's really strange the almost every other mmo game tried to make it as easy as possible to lvl or at the very least not have enough content to reach the top lvl -- But Zos is different very different they defeat the purpose of playing the game. Yes to be sure they have other area's to do things but the main purpose of a game is to reach the top lvl and progress your toons after that.

They say you can lvl faster now -- maybe talking about time - but you are having to play in zones much higher than you and the content runs out now at around vr 5 or 6 -- nothing left but to grind the rest of the way. They are not going to keep this game going with that kind of system -- it's insane

Anyone else notice the irony that they fixed mobs lower level than you not giving enough xp, when they made it so all mobs you fight will be significantly higher level, due to the quest xp change. So the fix, is in effect utterly pointless for questers!

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

stunning wrote: »

I see that the non problem has not been fixed -- So people over the weekend we need to warn player not to be questing in the lower vr zones. Those quest will be lost along with the xp and a lot of very unhappy campers will have to swallow the painful pill of lost xp. They maybe under the believe that what Gina said (that everything is fine and just go ahead and quest) is so wrong and ZOS is not going to let them know. Maybe we can do what Zos refuses to do and save a lot of people from screwing up their toon

Ok, I don't know if I'm somehow reading a different post from everyone who is complaining and saying that the people will miss out on xp they should have gained... but I see nothing in her post that would lead me to that assumption. I've read it 3 times already, and as far as I can tell she's telling you that veteran ranks now, will be leveled just as non-veteran ranks... so you're telling me you can't handle playing the game the SAME WAY you've played for the last 50 levels?? How the hell is this so crushing and making you lose XP... how the hell is you getting xp from everything now (kills, quests, opening chests) slower than when you were getting xp from 1 or 2 things (questing and grouping)... please, someone explain to me how getting experience from more things slows your leveling down?? Plus, she explicitly states,

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Due to the elimination of Veteran Points, you may need to rethink your leveling strategy a little from what you previously used to do to gain a Veteran Rank.

, she LITERALLY says you have to create a new strategy for leveling, instead of just questing/dungeoning constantly for those levels. So I'm going to sit quietly and listen for someone to explain how more is less in this instance...

This was just a note to let everyone know they should be informing their guilds and any other players that the xp is messed up and they should not be questing in the lower vr zones for they cannot be repeated and the xp will be lost.

As for your dumb ass remark about playing the game the same way you were before is so lamn - The xp in the vr zones is far to low. At the present you will only reach around lvl vr4 by the time you have finished Caldwell's quest chain leaving you to grind the rest of the way. So you will run out of content long before you ever reach vr 14. So as it maybe very hard to explain to you the problem with your low lvl of thinking -- I hope you will now understand

BTW -- Zos did admit that the quests are not giving the proper xp -- thou they have not address when that may be fixed

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

stunning wrote: »

I see that the non problem has not been fixed -- So people over the weekend we need to warn player not to be questing in the lower vr zones. Those quest will be lost along with the xp and a lot of very unhappy campers will have to swallow the painful pill of lost xp. They maybe under the believe that what Gina said (that everything is fine and just go ahead and quest) is so wrong and ZOS is not going to let them know. Maybe we can do what Zos refuses to do and save a lot of people from screwing up their toon

Ok, I don't know if I'm somehow reading a different post from everyone who is complaining and saying that the people will miss out on xp they should have gained... but I see nothing in her post that would lead me to that assumption. I've read it 3 times already, and as far as I can tell she's telling you that veteran ranks now, will be leveled just as non-veteran ranks... so you're telling me you can't handle playing the game the SAME WAY you've played for the last 50 levels?? How the hell is this so crushing and making you lose XP... how the hell is you getting xp from everything now (kills, quests, opening chests) slower than when you were getting xp from 1 or 2 things (questing and grouping)... please, someone explain to me how getting experience from more things slows your leveling down?? Plus, she explicitly states,

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Due to the elimination of Veteran Points, you may need to rethink your leveling strategy a little from what you previously used to do to gain a Veteran Rank.

, she LITERALLY says you have to create a new strategy for leveling, instead of just questing/dungeoning constantly for those levels. So I'm going to sit quietly and listen for someone to explain how more is less in this instance...

Because before playing through all the factions quests would get you to VR10. Now it gets you to somewhere around VR4. Leaving you to grind out 10 Veteran Ranks. Not that hard to understand if you read the other posts

That's counting exploration and world bosses

HeX7 wrote: »

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

stunning wrote: »

I see that the non problem has not been fixed -- So people over the weekend we need to warn player not to be questing in the lower vr zones. Those quest will be lost along with the xp and a lot of very unhappy campers will have to swallow the painful pill of lost xp. They maybe under the believe that what Gina said (that everything is fine and just go ahead and quest) is so wrong and ZOS is not going to let them know. Maybe we can do what Zos refuses to do and save a lot of people from screwing up their toon

Ok, I don't know if I'm somehow reading a different post from everyone who is complaining and saying that the people will miss out on xp they should have gained... but I see nothing in her post that would lead me to that assumption. I've read it 3 times already, and as far as I can tell she's telling you that veteran ranks now, will be leveled just as non-veteran ranks... so you're telling me you can't handle playing the game the SAME WAY you've played for the last 50 levels?? How the hell is this so crushing and making you lose XP... how the hell is you getting xp from everything now (kills, quests, opening chests) slower than when you were getting xp from 1 or 2 things (questing and grouping)... please, someone explain to me how getting experience from more things slows your leveling down?? Plus, she explicitly states,

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Due to the elimination of Veteran Points, you may need to rethink your leveling strategy a little from what you previously used to do to gain a Veteran Rank.

, she LITERALLY says you have to create a new strategy for leveling, instead of just questing/dungeoning constantly for those levels. So I'm going to sit quietly and listen for someone to explain how more is less in this instance...

Because before playing through all the factions quests would get you to VR10. Now it gets you to somewhere around VR4. Leaving you to grind out 10 Veteran Ranks. Not that hard to understand if you read the other posts

That's counting exploration and world bosses

Ok, I've been trying to read all of the other posts but that's A LOT of time reading stuff that I'm not even high enough of a level yet to experience, but thank you for explaining. All I understood from the previous posts was that "XP has been screwed and it's slower because quest XP dropped." Reading her post, it sounded like that was the intention, but to increase the places you could get XP, which if done correctly could very well balance out or even decrease leveling time... but as @tankqull did a very good job of explaining to me what all happened and how it was a bad move. Sorry that I didn't understand that even some of the stuff she said was supposed to be happening, was actually still broken content and I thought what she was saying was different. Just read it wrong, sorry again.

stunning wrote: »

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

"paper is patiant" as an old saying states.
the problem you don´t get is not their intention wich is actually ok. but their implemntation wich completly failed their intention.
they have cut the xp needed per lvl by alot in upper VR regions while they increased it by comparable multiplicators in lower vet ranks. by doing that they recived a (more or less) static amount of xp needed per lvl.
they additionaly reduced the xp gained by killing a mob, completing a quest what ever. to match the lvling speed in higher vet rank regions as they intended and applied the same multiplicator to lower rank values aswell, forgetting the fact that the former xp gain followed an e-function through out the vet-lvls and not a static value leading to the current situation at v1 e.g. you need 5x more xp than you needed for your lvl up but in the same step recieve far less than 1/10th of the former vetpoints.
so instead of lvling quicker you´re needed amount of actions to be completed has been increased by factor 50.
on top of that they implemented a super harsh xp per mob restriction if they ain´t your vet-rank.

Ok, thank you @Tankqull for clarifying!! That's all I wanted, was clarification. I'm a noob, yeah. I'm a casual player, maybe play 2-3 times a week, on a GOOD week of playing. So, I'm not very far in and I haven't gotten to the point of Veteran Ranks, this explanation made MUCH more sense to me than just reading the post she said, the way I read it, as a low level player, it sounded good, now that I've heard someone explain it in a mathematical way and the DETAILS of what she said, I understand. Thank you for being kind about this rather than super rude and calling me an idiot.

stunning wrote:

This was just a note to let everyone know they should be informing their guilds and any other players that the xp is messed up and they should not be questing in the lower vr zones for they cannot be repeated and the xp will be lost.

As for your dumb ass remark about playing the game the same way you were before is so lamn - The xp in the vr zones is far to low. At the present you will only reach around lvl vr4 by the time you have finished Caldwell's quest chain leaving you to grind the rest of the way. So you will run out of content long before you ever reach vr 14. So as it maybe very hard to explain to you the problem with your low lvl of thinking -- I hope you will now understand

BTW -- Zos did admit that the quests are not giving the proper xp -- thou they have no address when that may be fixed

As for @stunning , I'm actually a very intelligent individual, thank you very much. I'm just out of high school, but am going to college for engineering and scored a 31 on my ACT so don't say I "have a low lvl of thinking." You don't know me, you don't know how intelligent I am. It's people like you who ruin forums by being incessantly rude to anyone who doesn't agree with you or quite understand what you're talking about. Keep an open mind and explain things in a calm and respective matter, it makes all the difference in me understanding and me just getting pissed off that you question my intelligence.

By your earlier post your intelligent was really brought in question -- but seeing you are just out of high school means you are still in that "I know it all stage" so now I understand. And as far as me being rude -- I see that in your way of thinking that if you are rude and insightful to me that's ok just don't bring that back on you. You said all those things about me and did not think I would respond to it -- again your intelligent is in question

I can see where you think those were directly pointed at you, but it wasn't meant to be like that. I was really racking my brain on how the math added up to make that statement correct. The math has been explained and I totally understand the frustration now. The statements were more meant as a way of showing how confused I was and they were directed at the general population of this forum to ask a question, granted I didn't word it the best, but that's what my intentions were. Sorry for the misunderstanding though, and I don't mind it being thrown back at me, if I intentionally say something to bash you that is. I just didn't mean to do that, and I felt your insults were a liiiittttlee more harsh than my questioning how the math works out... but I'm young, and I definitely don't think I know everything, trust me. I may be intelligent, book smart wise, but I am FAR from smarter than everyone or anyone. As, I think, Bill Nye once said "Everyone you ever meet, will know something you don't."

spryler wrote: »

I log on, I play, I have fun. It's worth my money. End of story - stop whining.

If you're really going to lash out your opinions, which you have to consider people may not care about, as they are yours, not theirs, so, speak for yourself.

If you don't whine, good for you. If others are doing it, they must have a reason, which in their opinion is important to them. They are paying for the game just like you, so they have every right to do so, yet you have none to stop them.

But if you do try to stop them, like you did in your post, it only makes you look like a hypocrite.

Sorry for the negativity, I'm just bored of seeing posts like these.

The angst is not moot. XP rewards in VR zones is seriously messed up. Check the numbers for yourself. It might get slightly better as you get to the higher VR zones, which is probably why you didn't notice it at VR8. In fact, VR8 may well be the point where the leveling is about as fast as before when doing every single quest, running all the dungeons and exploring everything. Early VR zones, on the other hand, seem to give only about one third of a rank's worth of XP, and the total XP in all the VR zones no longer seems enough to level up from VR1 to VR10 unless you do some serious grinding.
The Silver and Gold zones will no longer level you appropriately. The game does not appear to be properly balanced at the moment.