Your thoughts on acquiring the new Dwemer style.

Skizer78 · November 2014

I thought I would ask what others think of this new tactic of attaining the newest motif style as I have slowly been doing so myself. I have gotten five chapters so far but it has been quite a grueling process of checking all the containers in the Dwemer ruins and trying not to interfere with other players that are farming for the style pieces. At first I thought that all the farming was odd until I realize it took ten dwemer scrap to make one of the styles. I was frustrated too at the many hours of container searching just to get a chapter of the new style. I checked as many of the dwemer ruins as I could find and found that some of them being ruins still had almost no containers at all. The best I found was Avanchnzel in the Rift as every time I ran through it I acquired one chapter. The one draw back, beside the over abundance of other players, was the extremely long refresh time on the containers. I know that getting all the chapters for this new style is supposed to be a drawn out process, but it seems to me that the limited area in which to acquire these items to be ridiculous and would have better served the community if a continent sized dwemer area were available. The fact that it takes ten dwemer scrap to make one dwemer frame is kinda harsh considering all the time I spent looking through containers and killing all the automations I encountered yielded only three frames. These are just a few of my thoughts and I would like to hear what other people think about this new distribution style good or bad. Maybe some good feedback could help with future motif additions. Please feel free to post your opinions as the ESO designers cannot read our minds, no matter how much they would like to.

adriant1978 · November 2014

I don't like the way it's encouraging vet rank players to farm starter areas like Bthzark and Inner Sea Armature. It's bad enough around Dark Anchors with people looking for the Daedric generals achievement.

This is not an attack on the players doing it, I can see why they are, just annoyance at yet another mechanic encouraging it.

AshySamurai · November 2014

Some my guildies already have all pages learned. 4 days - and all pages. If you're doing it alone - week of farming and you'll get all pages. I thought ZOS wanted to make it uncommon.

Welka · November 2014

I guess uncommon if you play the game as intended and not farming for ours. Some people have jobs and families, which means very little time to play. So farming isn't their priorities

ers101284b14_ESO · November 2014

I like the idea of having pages that are easier to find than the motif itself. I do however wish there where fewer pages to find.

AshySamurai · November 2014

Welka wrote: »

I guess uncommon if you play the game as intended and not farming for ours. Some people have jobs and families, which means very little time to play. So farming isn't their priorities

You don't belive, but yeah, same peolple who already have all pages, have families and kids. Seems I doing something wrong...

Selique · November 2014

I like the way it is implemented, and I hope they add more stuff like this. Helps with the Construct Slayer achievement too lol.

But really, grouping up with my friends to dive into a Dwemer ruin, slaying constructs for scraps and searching every container possible has been WAY more fun than I thought it would be. Plus, I've seen more Dwemer Ruins now, than ever before haha.

Reminds me of my days farming Binary Liquids in the Death Watch Bunker on Endor in SWG... Ah good times lmao.

Faulgor · November 2014

1. I love that it's split into chapters. Finally gives you something worthwhile to search for.

2. Great that it's thematically tied to Dwemer ruins.

3. The droprate seems reasonable.

4. I absolutely abhor the container-grind. It's mindnumbing, repetetive and boring, and that you have to relog to reset the containers to loot again is terrible gamedesign and unnecessarily gamey.

Selique · November 2014

I don't think you *have* to relog. You could just move on to another Ruin.

lordspyder · November 2014

Selique wrote: »

I don't think you *have* to relog. You could just move on to another Ruin.

But it's much quicker to just relog and farm the same ruin repeatedly.

What I did was make a new EP character and ran straight for Inner Sea Armature. I run that over and over again until II get bored. This has the benefit of my farming having little effect on those actually trying to run the dungeon.

Circuitous · November 2014

Hopping to another ruin occasionally results in all the containers being empty, so that's not really an option.

I don't really mind the drop rate for the chapters, I guess. It's farmable while still being rare... but it's so boring. There's no real gameplay to it, just open jars and hope. So many other ways it could've been done.

And the drop rate on Dwemer Scrap seems absolutely atrocious. It doesn't help that I currently have to place to even reasonably farm it, as a V4 DC character. The DC ruins are all too low-level, AD's functionally ruin-less, and EP isn't unlocked yet. There's a ruin in Craglorn, but very little of it is accessible to me, and in all my visits the Dwemer Spiders there never dropped anything.

lordspyder · November 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

Hopping to another ruin occasionally results in all the containers being empty, so that's not really an option.

I don't really mind the drop rate for the chapters, I guess. It's farmable while still being rare... but it's so boring. There's no real gameplay to it, just open jars and hope. So many other ways it could've been done.

And the drop rate on Dwemer Scrap seems absolutely atrocious. It doesn't help that I currently have to place to even reasonably farm it, as a V4 DC character. The DC ruins are all too low-level, AD's functionally ruin-less, and EP isn't unlocked yet. There's a ruin in Craglorn, but very little of it is accessible to me, and in all my visits the Dwemer Spiders there never dropped anything.

Roll an EP alt, there is a level 5 ruin that has a pretty good drop rate right next to Davon's watch

Valen_Byte · November 2014

I was thinking it is too easy to find them. They are purple...rare, yet the guild stores and chat are completely flooded with them. I have never found a Deadric, Ancient Elf or a Primal. In just two days of looking for pages my wife and I have found around 8 I think. They don't seem to be rare to me at all. Just my thoughts.

Ourorboros · November 2014

It must not be too hard to farm the chapters, there are quite a few for sell in guild stores. However, they are ridiculously overpriced. 40k for ONE chapter?! I'll keep farming, thank you.

Valen_Byte · November 2014

Ourorboros wrote: »

It must not be too hard to farm the chapters, there are quite a few for sell in guild stores. However, they are ridiculously overpriced. 40k for ONE chapter?! I'll keep farming, thank you.

Ya the price doesn't mach the drop rate. They drop more often that one of the blues. So the price should be about 200g

AshySamurai · November 2014

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

It must not be too hard to farm the chapters, there are quite a few for sell in guild stores. However, they are ridiculously overpriced. 40k for ONE chapter?! I'll keep farming, thank you.

Ya the price doesn't mach the drop rate. They drop more often that one of the blues. So the price should be about 200g

I think the price will drop after 1.5.3 when empty containers bug will be fixed (at least ZOS planning to fix it).

Gillysan · November 2014

They should have done this from release. I'm sure we will see the Ayleid motif released this way.

Same topic fundamentally from previous features in the game. High levels going to lower levels to farm [item][achievement][dye][werewolf][vampire]. It's a land rush right now but it will settle down in a month.

Evergnar · November 2014

I'd prefer acquiring new stuff in a more meaningful way. A small side quest associated with it or something. I like the pages rather than a single book but not sure if that's just because its new or not.

Choosing existing dwemer ruins as the only place these drop was a really poor design decision. It's stuff like this that makes me think zero thought was put into it. An entire faction (AD) without access to them.

Zos needs to think before they release new items like this that will get farmed and impact certain areas. My sympathies to any new player who just wanted to experience a dwemer ruin for the first time.

As always I give an A+ to the art department. The armor themselves looks really good.

xaraan · November 2014

It's ok. You are going to have some players that want to rush and get it (like me, got them all second day after patch) and some that are fine with just buying or waiting for random drops.

Valen_Byte · November 2014

xaraan wrote: »

It's ok. You are going to have some players that want to rush and get it (like me, got them all second day after patch) and some that are fine with just buying or waiting for random drops.

If you really got ALL of them second day...that is complete BS...they are supposed to be rare. At that rate they should be green. They are more common than a fishy stick recipe.

Vyle_Byte · November 2014

Evergnar wrote: »

Choosing existing dwemer ruins as the only place these drop was a really poor design decision. It's stuff like this that makes me think zero thought was put into it. An entire faction (AD) without access to them.

This right here is what gets me. Sorry AD, you don't get to have them. Whats with that? How can you leave out an entire faction?

Gillysan · November 2014

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

Choosing existing dwemer ruins as the only place these drop was a really poor design decision. It's stuff like this that makes me think zero thought was put into it. An entire faction (AD) without access to them.

This right here is what gets me. Sorry AD, you don't get to have them. Whats with that? How can you leave out an entire faction?

I don't see the problem.

Gillysan wrote: »

They should have done this from release. I'm sure we will see the Ayleid motif released this way.

Gillysan · November 2014

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer

AssaultLemming · November 2014

It is absolutely terrible design that you can relog to reset containers. It means that they now need to balance the drop rates around people doing this. It's some of the worst game design I have ever seen. They should give up and just make all the recipes and motifs drop from mobs.

Evergnar · November 2014

AssaultLemming wrote: »

It is absolutely terrible design that you can relog to reset containers. It means that they now need to balance the drop rates around people doing this. It's some of the worst game design I have ever seen. They should give up and just make all the recipes and motifs drop from mobs.

They're on timers. Simply relogging won't reset them.

lordspyder · November 2014

Evergnar wrote: »

AssaultLemming wrote: »

It is absolutely terrible design that you can relog to reset containers. It means that they now need to balance the drop rates around people doing this. It's some of the worst game design I have ever seen. They should give up and just make all the recipes and motifs drop from mobs.

They're on timers. Simply relogging won't reset them.

relogging does reset them, I've been running inner sea armature all day. But I like the farmability of them, it gives me something to work for

Evergnar · November 2014

lordspyder wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

AssaultLemming wrote: »

It is absolutely terrible design that you can relog to reset containers. It means that they now need to balance the drop rates around people doing this. It's some of the worst game design I have ever seen. They should give up and just make all the recipes and motifs drop from mobs.

They're on timers. Simply relogging won't reset them.

relogging does reset them, I've been running inner sea armature all day. But I like the farmability of them, it gives me something to work for

Interesting. Haven't heard anybody else be able to do that. I have three AD vet characters and they have all been on timers but at least its per character and not account wide.

I'm curious is anybody else able to simply log to reset them?

lordspyder · November 2014

Inner Sea Armature is lvl 5 for EP so I'm just starting a new character to do it

killedbyping · November 2014

Skizer78 wrote: »

I thought I would ask what others think of this new tactic of attaining the newest motif style as I have slowly been doing so myself. I have gotten five chapters so far but it has been quite a grueling process of checking all the containers in the Dwemer ruins and trying not to interfere with other players that are farming for the style pieces. At first I thought that all the farming was odd until I realize it took ten dwemer scrap to make one of the styles. I was frustrated too at the many hours of container searching just to get a chapter of the new style. I checked as many of the dwemer ruins as I could find and found that some of them being ruins still had almost no containers at all. The best I found was Avanchnzel in the Rift as every time I ran through it I acquired one chapter. The one draw back, beside the over abundance of other players, was the extremely long refresh time on the containers. I know that getting all the chapters for this new style is supposed to be a drawn out process, but it seems to me that the limited area in which to acquire these items to be ridiculous and would have better served the community if a continent sized dwemer area were available. The fact that it takes ten dwemer scrap to make one dwemer frame is kinda harsh considering all the time I spent looking through containers and killing all the automations I encountered yielded only three frames. These are just a few of my thoughts and I would like to hear what other people think about this new distribution style good or bad. Maybe some good feedback could help with future motif additions. Please feel free to post your opinions as the ESO designers cannot read our minds, no matter how much they would like to.

You are missing something realy simple.
You can get all the pages you need by spending just 10-15 mins per day.
There is no rarity or any RNG behind it. Many thing in this game are tied to some specific mechanics, so do the Dwemer Pages drops.

Evergnar · November 2014

lordspyder wrote: »

Inner Sea Armature is lvl 5 for EP so I'm just starting a new character to do it

Ahh, good to know. I just tested to see if maybe it was that delv itself but no difference for me in vet zone at least.

bedlom · November 2014

Seems like the best way to implement it imo, search dwemer ruins for dwemer style.