Have they finally killed their own game?

MasterSpatula · November 2014

Yeah, I don't know. Even in the buggy-as-hell initial release and first few updates, I used to squeeze in at least an hour of play every day whether I had the time or not.

I've had plenty of free time this week, and I've gotten on once. The fun level has never been this low before.

Elsonso · November 2014

Guppet wrote: »

So 1.5 is probably the biggest series of catastrophic bugs I have ever witnessed. I have witnessed a few. Lets take a look at the patch and what it was about.

Actually, if you look at this across the whole game, Update 5 was better than Update 4, which was better than Update 3. Each one had fewer "catastrophic bugs" than the one before it.

Guppet · November 2014

lordrichter wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

So 1.5 is probably the biggest series of catastrophic bugs I have ever witnessed. I have witnessed a few. Lets take a look at the patch and what it was about.

Actually, if you look at this across the whole game, Update 5 was better than Update 4, which was better than Update 3. Each one had fewer "catastrophic bugs" than the one before it.

Tell me of a bug that was worse than the VP to XP mess up? It makes two thirds of the game pointless to play!

diabeticDemon18 · November 2014

Guppet wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

So 1.5 is probably the biggest series of catastrophic bugs I have ever witnessed. I have witnessed a few. Lets take a look at the patch and what it was about.

Actually, if you look at this across the whole game, Update 5 was better than Update 4, which was better than Update 3. Each one had fewer "catastrophic bugs" than the one before it.

Tell me of a bug that was worse than the VP to XP mess up? It makes two thirds of the game pointless to play!

If you re-read his post, you'll see that you're talking about quantity of mistakes here, not quality. There is one "catastrophic bug" in update 5, that's less than the others. The severity of this bug is not in question here

Guppet · November 2014

If they add a rideable bug mount as compensation for the mess up, I'll stay for the proof they have a sense of humour.

stunning · November 2014

I'm having a whale of a time also since the new patch -- mowing the lawn -- washing the car -- looking at other games -- da -- All my toons are lower vr lvl's and u would have to be insane to just go questing now -- that will destroy the toon with nothing left to do but start over (Not happening) -- wake up -- this xp mess is a complete game stopper

Epona222 · November 2014

Robocles wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Eh? I'm having a whale of a time with update 5, sure there are a few wrinkles to be ironed out (and yes Alchemy writs are currently bugged), but the crafting writs in general are great.
Sometimes I see posts like this and wonder if I'm playing a completely different game.

He quoted a number of major issues with the very things touted for the content release.

Sometimes I see posts like yours and wonder if you even read the OP fully.

Haha, I read it fine, I just couldn't believe that someone would rage-quit over it. Life is too short, they've already said a number of things will be fixed in the next patch which will probably be Monday/Tuesday during maintenance.

I am just too old to get my knickers in a twist about a few bugs in an MMO. If people can't bear it, then they should maybe go outdoors and do something until it is fixed - spend time with kids or visit relatives or read a book or go do another hobby for a while.

Guppet · November 2014

Epona222 wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Eh? I'm having a whale of a time with update 5, sure there are a few wrinkles to be ironed out (and yes Alchemy writs are currently bugged), but the crafting writs in general are great.
Sometimes I see posts like this and wonder if I'm playing a completely different game.

He quoted a number of major issues with the very things touted for the content release.

Sometimes I see posts like yours and wonder if you even read the OP fully.

Haha, I read it fine, I just couldn't believe that someone would rage-quit over it. Life is too short, they've already said a number of things will be fixed in the next patch which will probably be Monday/Tuesday during maintenance.

I am just too old to get my knickers in a twist about a few bugs in an MMO. If people can't bear it, then they should maybe go outdoors and do something until it is fixed - spend time with kids or visit relatives or read a book or go do another hobby for a while.

Some of us already do those things as well as play games. I have time that I like to play games, if I can't play ESO in an enjoyable way I'll be playing another game.

Elsonso · November 2014

Guppet wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

So 1.5 is probably the biggest series of catastrophic bugs I have ever witnessed. I have witnessed a few. Lets take a look at the patch and what it was about.

Actually, if you look at this across the whole game, Update 5 was better than Update 4, which was better than Update 3. Each one had fewer "catastrophic bugs" than the one before it.

Tell me of a bug that was worse than the VP to XP mess up? It makes two thirds of the game pointless to play!

Again, across the whole game, not just a corner of it.

Go back and look at the bugs in past Updates that took several days to fix and cut through entire swaths of the player base.

Guild functionality destroyed so bad they had to disable guilds. Permanent loss of every player's settings. Crippling memory leak. Weapon swaps cause skills to roll back (mostly fixed). Health bar desync during combat.

In Update 5 we have two big ones which pretty much hit the same population subset, the end game and VR level people, and some other ones that hit in individual places across the game.

I am not saying that the XP bug, or any of the bugs, are not important or even that they are not serious or game breaking for some people. They certainly are to the people being impacted. Given the size of Update 5 compared to Update 4, and that there really are fewer big issues, yeah, I can say that Update 5 is a quality improvement over Update 4.

As "fan boy" as many may label me, I am fickle like the wind. If I felt that Update 5 was worse than Update 4, not only would I say so, I would back that up by taking my money and walking. In terms of quality, not function, Update 5 > Update 4 is a condition of my continued investment in ESO.

Paske · November 2014

Epona222 wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Eh? I'm having a whale of a time with update 5, sure there are a few wrinkles to be ironed out (and yes Alchemy writs are currently bugged), but the crafting writs in general are great.
Sometimes I see posts like this and wonder if I'm playing a completely different game.

He quoted a number of major issues with the very things touted for the content release.

Sometimes I see posts like yours and wonder if you even read the OP fully.

Haha, I read it fine, I just couldn't believe that someone would rage-quit over it. Life is too short, they've already said a number of things will be fixed in the next patch which will probably be Monday/Tuesday during maintenance.

I am just too old to get my knickers in a twist about a few bugs in an MMO. If people can't bear it, then they should maybe go outdoors and do something until it is fixed - spend time with kids or visit relatives or read a book or go do another hobby for a while.

I woke my wife at 00:10 - Honey ! Eso is cr*p now that new patch was a huge flop. ZOS decided to kill it self. She just politely told me to ZOS off.

Then I went to watch some History chanell. But PwanStars were over so went to wake my kid up at 1am. She is 3 years old. Funny, she was not amused, she cried.

Went to sleep after yelling wife gave me.

Guess spending time with family in late afternoon hours to some 21:00 was enough for them. It seems when they go to sleep they actually want to sleep and not hang around.

Today I will simply go out.
Might call some married friends with kids. I hear they love phone calls from bat around midnight.

cote-bmsb16_ESO · November 2014

The bugs aren't that horrible, I've had worse experiences with other titles. They already charged my credit card 77 bucks today. Best of luck ZOS. You'll need it.

GorraShatan · November 2014

If anything the game seems much more active now.

stunning · November 2014

You have got to be kidding -- just look at the whole picture -- this xp mess is a game stopper -- the whole picture -- rofl -- That's like saying it was a great trip except getting your head cut off a third of the way into that trip -- Get real it's not the number of screw ups they made but the Magnitude of the ones they did. The impact of this xp screw up could cost this game big time if it is not fixed fast -- I really feel for all those playing their vr toon right now and getting the shaft

Guppet · November 2014

GorraShatan wrote: »

If anything the game seems much more active now.

That's due to people being congregated in the hubs rather than out doing things.

cote-bmsb16_ESO · November 2014

A few weeks ago people were hating on the vet system, now they want it how it was.. All exploitable and ***.

seanvwolf · November 2014

Kronuxx wrote: »

Seriously, why do people *** over the most mundane crap.

This game has enjoyable combat, and yes the dungeons seem to be more difficult, but I enjoy this as it challenges me. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not asking to get face-rolled every time I do a dungeon, and there should be balance. And yes of course, the whole XP gain is bugged as well but come on kids (to those complaining), you'll live. Your life won't end.

Look, honestly...yes they're patches can be quite bugged, there's no disputing that fact. Yes, I agree to a certain extent that they should perhaps improve their QA department, and perhaps they should extend the length of their PTS patches before releasing the final live version. But to moan and complain and threaten leaving, really does no good for anyone. I'd say 90% of those who complain about the buggy patches and proclaim they are rage quitting, probably never even contributed in the first place in testing out PTS to help report bugs. I play on the PTS when the test patches come out, and I'm telling you and everyone else right now...that place is a GHOST TOWN. No one, and I mean NO ONE will be on there. Maybe 1-2 times I've logged in, I'll see ONE other player, that's it. So guess what happens? The final live version becomes our test version? Why? Because everyone plays it, so more chances to discover a bug. Granted, this isn't an excuse to have quite buggy final versions of the patch, but at the same time, we all can do our part and test out the PTS and report bugs. The more people report the same kind of bug, the more likely the dev team can see that yes it is a bug they must address and not just some one time occurrence if only 1-2 people report such a bug on the PTS server.

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This. I get so upset at times when I hear people complain about changes to skills and bugs going into Live, knowing they very rarely test it before hand on PTS. I know from my experience, when I hop on the PTS server, there is absolutely no one on in the zones I'm in or in my most of my guilds (not even during scheduled maintenance on Live, the MOST opportune time to test for the most active of players.) Then they complain about how builds are bugged, most having not once even logged into the PTS to test out their transferred characters (NA at the time). Sometimes server load should be factored into the equation on testing for certain bugs, and yet the community doesn't take the time to actually stress test the servers with the databuild. Makes no sense to me as a tester.

This means testing the quests too, not just of new content but old as well. I often rolled new characters on the PTS just to go through the initial starting zones till about level 20, just to see if anything else is broken during the present test build. I'd encourage everyone to do that. Devoting even just a day to test out of your week will help stress test the PTS build before it goes live.

grimsfield · November 2014

FIX THE LOADING SCREENS. AAAHHHHH!

stunning · November 2014

cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »

A few weeks ago people were hating on the vet system, now they want it how it was.. All exploitable and ***.

No one cares what point system they use but when you are only like vr 4 going into craglorn because the xp system is screwed up there is a big problem. With the system they have now the casual player will take years to get to vr14 -- fighting mobs 5 plus lvl's above them -- do you really think they will stick with this game

Heishi · November 2014

Guppet wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

So 1.5 is probably the biggest series of catastrophic bugs I have ever witnessed. I have witnessed a few. Lets take a look at the patch and what it was about.

Actually, if you look at this across the whole game, Update 5 was better than Update 4, which was better than Update 3. Each one had fewer "catastrophic bugs" than the one before it.

Tell me of a bug that was worse than the VP to XP mess up? It makes two thirds of the game pointless to play!

Everything in your bank randomly disappearing, permanently, along with all your slots.

Players swapping into each others account with full access to guild, bank, friends, ect.

There have been a number of main/story quest that were broke and people couldn't progress far earlier than VR.

There's three. I can list more if you like, but those easily top VR players getting less XP than they should for all of maybe a week.

stunning · November 2014

Heishi wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

So 1.5 is probably the biggest series of catastrophic bugs I have ever witnessed. I have witnessed a few. Lets take a look at the patch and what it was about.

Actually, if you look at this across the whole game, Update 5 was better than Update 4, which was better than Update 3. Each one had fewer "catastrophic bugs" than the one before it.

Tell me of a bug that was worse than the VP to XP mess up? It makes two thirds of the game pointless to play!

Everything in your bank randomly disappearing, permanently, along with all your slots.

Players swapping into each others account with full access to guild, bank, friends, ect.

There have been a number of main/story quest that were broke and people couldn't progress far earlier than VR.

There's three. I can list more if you like, but those easily top VR players getting less XP than they should for all of maybe a week.

I'll let you know the difference -- those u listed are major pains in the butt -- this xp mess up is a complete game stopper -- and it seems in many cases a game changer

Frenkthevile · November 2014

Gedalya wrote: »

Go play something else if it's so tragic for you, and stop trolling here!

Guppet · November 2014

Nice to see they did not gloss over these in the live stream. Slightly worrying that they said they will tell us what they are doing in the next few days, it should be fixed in the next few days, not decided what to do with.

Felt a bit sorry for the girls, they seemed to be a bit down in the stream.

stunning · November 2014

Frenkthevile wrote: »

Gedalya wrote: »

Go play something else if it's so tragic for you, and stop trolling here!

If ZOS had your attitude you would also be playing something else because the players would quit -- ZOS would be broke and this game would be history

Lord_Kreegan · November 2014

The fanbois and defenders of the throne -- and especially the shils -- need to keep in mind what happened to Warhammer Online, Age of Conan, SW-TOR, STO, FFXIV and other games that released poorly and continued to release bad patches.

Warhammer Online is gone... finis...

AoC had a great starting zone and everything afterwards was craptastic; it went through a major overhaul, but never recovered its subscriber base; not even close. Quite frankly (other than the fact that it is very linear), it currently is a fun game (if you're not F2P) until characters get to the top levels... then it sucks all over again... and crafting needs a lot of work.

SW-TOR took almost four years to recover; its subscriber base is still only a fraction of what it was, although it is making money. It is probably going to lose a lot of its current subscribership because they've made a really stupid decision (IMHO) with their new expansion (removing the players' ability to manage their characters' development).

STO has never recovered...

FFXIV required major rework, a formal apology from the company, and is now going strong (although it's not my cup of tea).

Out of all those games, only one is doing well per se. The reality is that once you create a bad first impression, it takes a long time to erase it.

Wish I'd known that back when I was in high school (so very long ago); the girls didn't hate me, but their parents sure did... ahem.

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

PSLAnimal wrote: »

Holy sh*t, Archer's a vampire!?!?!?!

SgtPepperUK · November 2014

Heishi wrote: »

Really, it's like knowing your car's got an oil leak, taking it to the mechanic, then complaining the entire time about how the car will never run again.

As some of these bugs were reported from PTS it's more like going to buy a car at the dealer, putting down the money, noticing there's an oil leak and pointing it out to the salesperson then getting the car delivered a few days later still with the oil leak.

Heishi wrote: »

It'll be ok. You said you've been here since early access. You've survived a lot of MUCH MUCH worse bugs. Full banks going empty, players crossing into each other's accounts, quest necessary to move forward in the game broke, unstable server connections, the list goes on and some of those early bugs ZOS had denied or went silent on.

Enduring previous bugs means that suffering new ones is more likely to cause people to give up - you can load up the camel with some straw and it still stands but keeping adding on more straw and, eventually, the camel's back will break.

liquid_wolf wrote: »

The amount of people that return to Final Fantasy 14, EVE Online, and RIFT is incredible.

People leave a game for a few months, and return after an update or change is made....

It all depends on why they left - often people will leave due to rl commitments, finding they've run out of content, to try a different game (or return to an old one) or because they just need a break.

So a later content update is advertised and they realise they have more time to play now, there might be more for them to do or it might make them realise they've missed the game and are ready to pick it up again.

If people leave because of problems with the game they'd be less likely to reconsider unless they can be absolutely sure the bulk of the issues have been fixed.

Given that every content update so far in ESO has been unpolished it will take a lot to convince many people to give it another go.

stunning · November 2014

Here's the shocker for you -- Gina says there is no major problem with the xp gain and there is no fix coming -- well a minor one and if you don't like go play another game. Seeing they got most of our six month sub. they don't give a crap.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/138980/clarification-regarding-experience-gain-within-veteran-ranks#latest

Sav72 · November 2014

Although there are bugs in patch,,,I am very happy with it.

Guppet · November 2014

So this is there response?

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/138980/clarification-regarding-experience-gain-within-veteran-ranks

Not looking so dramatic now am I :P They don't even know how badly they have screwed up (they seriously don't get it). Basically they have created a massive divide, those that were VR14 pre patch 1.5 and those that were not and never will be. You cant balance the xp for the champ system before it is out, that's just rrrrrrrrr, how can they be so utterly stupid!!!!!

Akula · November 2014

I like update 5 a lot and I dont notice any bugs. Have no idea what you are talking about.