Some ideas for the devs now that travel is linear in Cyro.

Cody · November 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

I've brought up fast travel on roads and other bonuses but we're still watching to make sure the Forward Camp changes benefit Cyrodiil health as a whole in the long term. It's been just a few days and the uptick seems good, but we're still watching

On other notes, we have discussed Siege damage (including side effects of Ice shot and the like), Wall health, Door health and other mechanics to adjust next. I can say for certain we plan on putting in Full Grand Soul gems to be purchased with AP, but I have no estimate on exactly when that will hit live or PTS.

As always, thanks for posting here all your suggestions and feedback! See you all on the battlefield!

make the grand soul gems thing in the next two or so tiny maintenance things yall do. It needs to be in ASAP. Why ASAP, everyone that is reading this is probably not asking?(:D) I will use myself as an example; I have approximately 121K AP, and nothing to spend it on. I am also low on gems.... see what im geting at? what better way to spend AP than on the most important thing in PvP right now?

Spangla · November 2014

ZOS Brianwheeler - Unfortunately the uptick is terrible and a lot of decisions made in 1.5 are worrying.

Forward Camps:

The removal of forward camps is actually a really bad thing in my, and alot of my friends opinions. Anything that forces you to spend more mind numbing time on a horse and less time fighting is obviously not desirable.

Sneak Damage:

So sneak damage was nerfed I believe as a reaction to snipe 1.5 sec gank kills. I think most can agree that it is now easier to gank snipe someone under the new update than it ever was before as you can get 2 snipes off before the enemy can react instead of 1 snipe and a heavy attack.

So sneak damage has been nerfed as a result of snipe but has actually not affected snipe gank efficiency.

What it has done though is nerf the skill ambush to the point where it is useless - why is in more rewarding now to gank someone from 35m than it is from melee range? Melee should always hit hard - pretty obvious.

Also by nerfing sneak there has essentially been a nerf to the racials of Khajiit and Bosmer, who are both encouraged to use sneak openers and have a % based bonus to it. These two races are widely regarded already as 2 of the weakest. Worryingly this patch has moved the already stronger races further away by allowing more attribute points and the undaunted skill lines. These skill lines will give more magic for example so the races with % based racials will benefit even more and be buffed!

So - Weak Races - Nerfed
- Strong Races - Buffed

Worrying decision.

By my numbers the ambush sneak opener has been nerfed by 35% - This is huge and uncalled for and means that the racial stealth passive applying to this has been nerfed in effectiveness also by a 3rd! That is a huge huge nerf.

My question is Why? This was about snipe? In 1.5 snipe is stronger?

wth?

Thechemicals · November 2014

Things are great in Cyro right now. The fights are longer and people are working together. It is however, slow and my soul gems are starting to run out.

The siege merchants; You have been asked since zerging and blogging have become a problem to improve or add siege that would break these groups up long enough for people to engage them. Scattershot catapult really needs to randomly immobilize via 10% chance. Adding any siege with a 5-10% chance to immobilize and has a decent area of effect distance would be crucial for combating 24 players in a single motion to impulse and shield spam. The oil catapult needs more range and larger radius.

Maybe create a Voodoo Catapult and fear those zergs in every direction.

Vizier · November 2014

Spangla wrote: »

ZOS Brianwheeler - Unfortunately the uptick is terrible and a lot of decisions made in 1.5 are worrying.

Forward Camps:

The removal of forward camps is actually a really bad thing in my, and alot of my friends opinions. Anything that forces you to spend more mind numbing time on a horse and less time fighting is obviously not desirable.

Sneak Damage:

So sneak damage was nerfed I believe as a reaction to snipe 1.5 sec gank kills. I think most can agree that it is now easier to gank snipe someone under the new update than it ever was before as you can get 2 snipes off before the enemy can react instead of 1 snipe and a heavy attack.

So sneak damage has been nerfed as a result of snipe but has actually not affected snipe gank efficiency.

What it has done though is nerf the skill ambush to the point where it is useless - why is in more rewarding now to gank someone from 35m than it is from melee range? Melee should always hit hard - pretty obvious.

Also by nerfing sneak there has essentially been a nerf to the racials of Khajiit and Bosmer, who are both encouraged to use sneak openers and have a % based bonus to it. These two races are widely regarded already as 2 of the weakest. Worryingly this patch has moved the already stronger races further away by allowing more attribute points and the undaunted skill lines. These skill lines will give more magic for example so the races with % based racials will benefit even more and be buffed!

So - Weak Races - Nerfed
- Strong Races - Buffed

Worrying decision.

By my numbers the ambush sneak opener has been nerfed by 35% - This is huge and uncalled for and means that the racial stealth passive applying to this has been nerfed in effectiveness also by a 3rd! That is a huge huge nerf.

My question is Why? This was about snipe? In 1.5 snipe is stronger?

wth?

Do not agree regarding Forward Camps. This is not to say I don't think FC's or something like it have no place but the way FC's worked was worse for PvP overall IMO than their removal altogether. The community has some adjustments to make. I believe currently a short fast ride under the worst of conditions, meaning your faction owns no keeps and you can't shrine travel, is acceptable if the alternative is instant Zerg-Porting anywhere on the map and constant rez even miles behind enemy lines. That is plain Bollocks.

The rest I pretty much see your point. If the reductions in shield stacking and increased damage and scaling for other skills bears out I'm not certain we are still not better off. I see what your saying about ambush. A 35% decrease in damage is significant especially when you are squishy and now within arms reach. I would also be leery of anything that trivializes race skills. Good points.

kewl · November 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

10. Allow a raid leader to move members within his raid group to different sections. You have group 1,2,3,4,5,6 and each section has 4 members. Many times, good leaders want to split groups 1,2,3 and 4,5,6 to do different things but it becomes problematic when most of the healers or damage dealers or tanks are all in one section. This would be a huge benefit to promoting tactical play and making things fun.

We need this and markers.

Arito · November 2014

I want a silver tipped ballista that does double player damage against vampires and WW... and a slaughterfish catapult - but that would be OP by default.

GorraShatan · November 2014

To start, could we be allowed to cast Rapid Maneuvers on horseback (and maybe Caltrops too)? That alone would cut down on travel time a lot.

I also hope they switch the full soul gems for AP to empty gems. I like that there's a economy around filling and reselling them.

Spangla · November 2014

ZOS Brian_Wheeler - Please can you enlighten me on this decision? I am still trying and failing to understand it.

Sneak Damage:

So sneak damage was nerfed I believe as a reaction to snipe 1.5 sec gank kills. I think most can agree that it is now easier to gank snipe someone under the new update than it ever was before as you can get 2 snipes off before the enemy can react instead of 1 snipe and a heavy attack.

So sneak damage has been nerfed as a result of snipe but has actually not affected snipe gank efficiency.

What it has done though is nerf the skill ambush to the point where it is useless - why is in more rewarding now to gank someone from 35m than it is from melee range? Melee should always hit hard - pretty obvious.

Also by nerfing sneak there has essentially been a nerf to the racials of Khajiit and Bosmer, who are both encouraged to use sneak openers and have a % based bonus to it. These two races are widely regarded already as 2 of the weakest. Worryingly this patch has moved the already stronger races further away by allowing more attribute points and the undaunted skill lines. These skill lines will give more magic for example so the races with % based racials will benefit even more and be buffed!

So - Weak Races - Nerfed
- Strong Races - Buffed

Worrying decision.

By my numbers the ambush sneak opener has been nerfed by 35% - This is huge and uncalled for and means that the racial stealth passive applying to this has been nerfed in effectiveness also by a 3rd! That is a huge huge nerf.

My question is Why? This was about snipe? In 1.5 snipe is stronger?

wth?

Etaniel · November 2014

The removal of camp, while not being a perfect solution, has greatly improved Cyrodil in my opinion. Now you see people running between keeps again, instead of just between a keep and ressource to suicide. It generates a lot more fights in places that can't provide ticks and thos fights are way more interesting than those arround keeps just for that reason. Also you don't kill the same person 10 times in 1 minute now that they have to respawn a bit further

DaggerfallTradeMasters · November 2014

Awesome ideas here hope ZoS will give a good look on the Road idea really like it.

Thechemicals · November 2014

Etaniel wrote: »

The removal of camp, while not being a perfect solution, has greatly improved Cyrodil in my opinion. Now you see people running between keeps again, instead of just between a keep and ressource to suicide. It generates a lot more fights in places that can't provide ticks and thos fights are way more interesting than those arround keeps just for that reason. Also you don't kill the same person 10 times in 1 minute now that they have to respawn a bit further

Yes, the concern now is that Wheeler has mentioned to chance of restoring camps. This in my opinion is a terrible idea, not because of the issue "camps or no camps" but that a change was made and instead of improving on that change with some of the ideas mentioned in this thread or other ideas, they will revert back to an old way and possibly just add some restrictions.

I would be happy if i never saw another camp again, but in its place you could make forward encampments:- a piece of equipment that functions like a siege shield but offers additional bonuses to armor/spell resist and other defensive bonuses. These encampments could even have a small group of npc guards. However, this equipment would not be placeable in any already fortified location like resources/outposts/keeps/temples/home base. This would allow it to be a marker for players to regroup/gather/organize from when pushing towards an enemy keep.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO · November 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

The removal of camp, while not being a perfect solution, has greatly improved Cyrodil in my opinion. Now you see people running between keeps again, instead of just between a keep and ressource to suicide. It generates a lot more fights in places that can't provide ticks and thos fights are way more interesting than those arround keeps just for that reason. Also you don't kill the same person 10 times in 1 minute now that they have to respawn a bit further

Yes, the concern now is that Wheeler has mentioned to chance of restoring camps. This in my opinion is a terrible idea, not because of the issue "camps or no camps" but that a change was made and instead of improving on that change with some of the ideas mentioned in this thread or other ideas, they will revert back to an old way and possibly just add some restrictions.

I would be happy if i never saw another camp again, but in its place you could make forward encampments:- a piece of equipment that functions like a siege shield but offers additional bonuses to armor/spell resist and other defensive bonuses. These encampments could even have a small group of npc guards. However, this equipment would not be placeable in any already fortified location like resources/outposts/keeps/temples/home base. This would allow it to be a marker for players to regroup/gather/organize from when pushing towards an enemy keep.

I'm partial as I do not want camps back, but you raise a good point.

With this anouncement of a potential reintroduction, combined with the stock piling that occured, we're just not seeing the true effects of the change.

Some will not give a chance to the current pvp either because there are still camps or because they are waiting for camps to comeback.

We would have needed at least 6 weeks of pure no camp and "no hope to see them again" meta to form.

However, I'm happy to see that the devs noticed an uptick in population, despite the performances issues and bugs introduced.

I also like your idea of more deployable tools. Simple barricades to engineer actual "forward camps" would be great too.