Have I gotten really bad overnight....or did enemies recieve a stealth buff in vet?

born2beagator · November 2014

I've died 3 times to trash mobs tonight in a V7 area that I was stomping last night. I swear my daggers and abilities are doing less damage.

Aett_Thorn · November 2014

Did you put your attribute points back in?

NadiusMaximus · November 2014

Same here. Even after points were placed I'm doing 20% less sometimes.
Use to hit for 380, now, 280 or less.

Normal hit would be 180, now the most I've seen was 98.

Using wasps in Craglorn to test.

Gillysan · November 2014

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · November 2014

Same here. $:\$

Nebthet78 · November 2014

You are not the only one. I have seen this in several different weapon lines. Something has definitely changed!!

born2beagator · November 2014

Glad its not just me. I have put attributes and skills back. I am hitting a lot less hard now

born2beagator · November 2014

I think they secretly reverted vet. It sure feels like it. I'm having to pop potions to deal with three man trash mobs again, and it ain't cool

lordspyder · November 2014

It also seems that the aggro range has been greatly increased. I've died to more trash groups last night than I ever had due to pulling adds during a fight.

born2beagator · November 2014

lordspyder wrote: »

It also seems that the aggro range has been greatly increased. I've died to more trash groups last night than I ever had due to pulling adds during a fight.

That too. I'd really like a response on this. Vet was fine as is. I don't appreciate changes that are not in the patch notes.

Nebthet78 · November 2014

I would also like to add, that the difference does not have anything to do with how you reapplied your attribute points. Before the change I took screenshots of 2 of my 3 toons (I forgot to do the third) so I knew where to put the points back on.

I agree with others, it feels like the Vet difficulty has been upped to the original standards again because enemies are taking less damage, while dealing out more.

Additionally, I am also noticing the heavy nerf in drops from ALL enemies, even those not in the Vet zones.

Prior to batch I was getting between 3-4g per enemy killed in Coldharbour + other drops on my Vet1 Altmer = 30-40g + additional potions or armor.

Now I have noticed, one enemy might give between 30-40g but other drops like potions and armor have been significantly reduced. If I am lucky I will get 1 drop per 10 MOBS of 3+enemies each.

It completely blows. It completely removed an incentive or reason for me to bother playing through the quests at all, as I can no longer gain enough money from questing to keep my armour repairs up.

Natjur · November 2014

I wonder if some NPC's have armor now instead of always been zero armor and any skill that drops armor value being useless outside of PVP.

kijima · November 2014

Leeric wrote: »

Anyways I'm noticing a lot less damage out of dual wield, which is deperessing because I just respected to it.

I've just moved more of my attribute points over to stamina while still giving me the required 3K for HP for health with food needed in PvP, my dual wield has increased for every DW skill.

Whirlwind hits like a freight train now (wasn't bad before, but not it's awesome) and flurry is super stab stabby mode.

Hanzus · November 2014

I'm a lvl 2 vet, and finding the same results, seems as if everything has gotten stronger...except me

Syntse · November 2014

My guess is the attributes which went down 35% so if you are one of those all health players then your magica and stamina are 35% less than before. And we know skills and spells do take their damage from those stats.

If you were careful and try to put points back so that they should match what you had then there is other effecting things too.

Anyway should make some people happy that things are a bit harder again.

EDIT: have to make some specifications that of course this only means the points received from VET levels not all points... points up to vet lvl are still the same as before. So basically vet1 should not notice anything in terms of attrib but vet5 might start to notice depending how spreading the points.

ExiledKhallisi · November 2014

Solo delves and group dungeons now scale to your level. That is the only. Change to content difficulty. The game is not even close to as hard as it was before the vet nerf.

I am dealing significantly more damage with my two hand bow we sorc. A lot of larger harder enemies also have less health.

Knootewoot · November 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

I've died 3 times to trash mobs tonight in a V7 area that I was stomping last night. I swear my daggers and abilities are doing less damage.

My wife quit playing het vet 5 character and made a new one. She managed all her skills and attribute points but she said she died more in 2 hours then an entire week pre-1.5

Mordria · November 2014

I've noticed the lower level mobs are a bit more difficult also, but I'm actually glad because it was way too easy.

zaria · November 2014

lordspyder wrote: »

It also seems that the aggro range has been greatly increased. I've died to more trash groups last night than I ever had due to pulling adds during a fight.

Enemies might be a bit tougher however agro range is the same,
One possible exception, pulling enemies might draw other from an longer distance.

Dungeons is far harder because of the scaling. Solo quest bosses will also be harder but did not not notice in the one quest I did.
Fewl quest bosses are solo only, you can group if you are on the same quest stage.

NadiusMaximus · November 2014

sorry it may be a bug. At first when I first put my attributes back, my armor was pretty jacked up, and my attributes were pretty low. After trying to kill stuff and failing, I fixed my armor then went back and redid my attributes. Low and be hold they are back were they should be.

So fix your armor before redoing your attributes. It seems that if you don't, your max attributes will be based off broken armor stats even after you fix it, they will still be off broke stats. If you fix armor first, then redo your attributes everything is fine.

It works for me now, and I'm not as passed as I was I sorry for the melt down .

HomerSamson · November 2014

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Additionally, I am also noticing the heavy nerf in drops from ALL enemies, even those not in the Vet zones.

v6 Auridon getting some gold from trash mobs and very little else. Does seem like loot table has been depleted

brandon · November 2014

If they did in fact change it then hopefully they keep it this way now. However i still feel like i'm (the enemies as well) doing the same amount of damage i was a few days ago.

xaraan · November 2014

Yes, they are definitely stronger. It's not as bad as it used to be in vet, but somewhere in between. And now with how worthless it is to kill mobs for xp, there is very little reason to fight anything you don't have to.

zaria · November 2014

HomerSamson wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Additionally, I am also noticing the heavy nerf in drops from ALL enemies, even those not in the Vet zones.

v6 Auridon getting some gold from trash mobs and very little else. Does seem like loot table has been depleted

Looks like more armor and weapons but less gold, previously all human enemies held gold now its just 1/3-4

Nebthet78 · November 2014

HomerSamson wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Additionally, I am also noticing the heavy nerf in drops from ALL enemies, even those not in the Vet zones.

v6 Auridon getting some gold from trash mobs and very little else. Does seem like loot table has been depleted

Yeah the loot table has definitely been screwed up. I would usually be able to do 1.5 rounds in a solo dungeon to fill up my 100 empty bag spaces, now it is taking me 6+ rounds to do the same thing. I could care less about the amount of gold being dropped by the enemies, that's not what I need. I need the Loot drops to find crafting traits to learn and deconstruct, plus potions to use.

Also bosses in the dungeons no longer give you a full drop like they did previous to the patch where you would get a blue item, filled soul gem and a bunch of other things. Now you are lucky if you get anything, let alone their dropped item.

It makes doing any dungeons not even worth it any more.
This game just shot itself in the leg and it's hemorrhaging worse than before!

brandon · November 2014

zaria wrote: »

HomerSamson wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Additionally, I am also noticing the heavy nerf in drops from ALL enemies, even those not in the Vet zones.

v6 Auridon getting some gold from trash mobs and very little else. Does seem like loot table has been depleted

Looks like more armor and weapons but less gold, previously all human enemies held gold now its just 1/3-4

Less people may be dropping gold, but the people that do drop it give a lot more then they did. Instead of getting 2 or 3 pieces per enemy i'm getting like 37-48 pieces now.

KenjiJU · November 2014

It may be some stuff on the backend in prep for Champ system, if I were to take a guess. I haven't approached much for normal VR mobs at the moment so I can't make a judgment myself.

guybrushtb16_ESO · November 2014

Syntse wrote: »

My guess is the attributes which went down 35% so if you are one of those all health players then your magica and stamina are 35% less than before. And we know skills and spells do take their damage from those stats.

If you were careful and try to put points back so that they should match what you had then there is other effecting things too.

Anyway should make some people happy that things are a bit harder again.

EDIT: have to make some specifications that of course this only means the points received from VET levels not all points... points up to vet lvl are still the same as before. So basically vet1 should not notice anything in terms of attrib but vet5 might start to notice depending how spreading the points.

Nope, sources of attribute points merely got redistributed but their total is about the same, in no way can you have 35% less now. Even if this where the case, you wouldn't see that much of a dps hit since while the primary resource is a factor in damage, it's not the only one at it.

Regarding the changes, either I didn't notice them or they didn't happen everywhere. I was testing if aoe grinding was maybe worth it now yesterday and had no problem pulling 10+ mobs together like it is done at low level usually.

olsborg · November 2014

Maybe the sharpened traitfix also affects pve`? It certainly affected my dps in pvp...alot.

Curragraigue · November 2014

I'm noticing less damage on magicka based skills

Armitas · November 2014

Oh yeah something is definitely off with mobs now. This has happened before. Several months back before craglorn they released an update and all the mobs got accidentally boosted. A single world trash mob could own you if you weren't careful. It looks like it has happened again.