Me and the boys have discussed the matter. And we want you to know that, though we fought long and hard over it, and many of the fellas were on your side and all, we're going to have to say "No."

Even for those who had to Over Level to complete a solo quest, it wasn't the higher level that enabled them to complete it, so much as it was the new or improved skills that made it easier.

Realistically, none of the solo quests are hard once you learn the mechanics for each of them even at the intended level. Heck, my alts now complete those quests UNDER levelled without even thinking (in fact, I'm often casually enjoying a smoke while doing them). Higher powered skills makes it easier more than over levelling does.

djagarb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate the new patch. I hate that they scaled the dungeon to your level. Now the story quests are sometimes near impossible to do. I was waiting till I got higher on purpose. If you dont want people to breeze through the dungeons I understand. But do not penalize everyone. Scale them if you are like 10 levels above the dungeon level. Some dungeons that just turned grey are now yellow ?

I agree, some of the screen savers when you entered/exitted dungeons said if you are struggling gain a few levels, people did, and they introduced scaling.

I hate scaling, I hated it in Oblivion, I hated it in every other game that has it, it just ruins the fun.
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I feel your pain, I used to go back to dungeons to finish story, get my skill point. Guess I have to wait around for a group now. I only tried one dungeon but I got destroyed in a VR4 dungeon, where as before I could go in and the enemies were 10-20 levels below me I could run through it just for fun. Pointless but fun being OP for a skill point. However I can see where it was wasted content, now it's playable content.

zerofynite wrote: »

I feel your pain, I used to go back to dungeons to finish story, get my skill point. Guess I have to wait around for a group now. I only tried one dungeon but I got destroyed in a VR4 dungeon, where as before I could go in and the enemies were 10-20 levels below me I could run through it just for fun. Pointless but fun being OP for a skill point. However I can see where it was wasted content, now it's playable content.

You're talking about public/grouo dungeons, when this thread is referencing solo content.

Play the way you like... Muahahaha

AlexDougherty wrote: »

I hate scaling, I hated it in Oblivion, I hated it in every other game that has it, it just ruins the fun.

Then we have very different ideas of what fun is. "Don't come back until you're X level" is not what I consider fun.

As much as I LOVED Oblivion partly because of its scaling, I understand that people thought the game was a little too extreme with it. Considering ESO, I believe Zenimax did a great job at finding some form of balance between the two extremes.

glak wrote: »

The whole reason for leveling higher than solo content was to be able to beat it with a casual build or play style. Now we have to l2p like the pros.

Or let the game adjust itself dynamically like it should. Please read the patch notes attentively. I have the feeling that a lot of people are overreacting without actually playing the game or understand what they're reading.

Its not impossible..because the more you die the easier the dungeon gets.

Optional things are an issue. It complicates things and makes it more likely that something will be missed, or be wrong.

Oh, and to the OP: No.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

didnt they say the dungeon will scale to the "leader of the group"??
if thats true then why cant we just invite a low level dude in the group and make him leader? thus making the level of the dungeon what ever level we want by group leaders level?
or am i misunderstanding this?

Yes but then there's a good chance the low-level leader will get no XP or loot, and no credit for the kills for achievements/skill points, due to not doing enough of the damage (also in the patch notes)

This patch just killed the solo aspect of eso.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

or am i misunderstanding this?

Yes, the biggest issue are the dungeons that are part of the main story, the FG and MG where you are forced solo and you can't group with anyone to complete them. Some players and some builds just can't do these things at the level that ZOS set so they would come back with more levels and skills to win.

Not everyone plays the game to make an optimized build that will prevail solo against everything. There are Heavy Armor Sorcerers out there for instance. They choose this build because that's what they want or it fits their RP or its what they played in the Single Player games.

There are people who for a variety of reasons are not the most skilled players of the game, some are by choice, some are by circumstance. So for them, the main story is now might be blocked so no progression into Caldwells quests. Just go to Craglorn at VR1 to face VR9 to 13 Mobs that require a group to defeat.

I don't understand why people are against offering a scaling choice to those who want it. It's not like it affects them or what they do in the game. Most of the people who are going to have an issue are not going to show up in PvP, or if they do, they will give a better kill count to those who optimize gameplay. So, let some people come back over leveled if they want. Besides, they are already penalized by doing this as the rewards are for the level of the quest, not the player.

While I would be for the suggested difficulty slider (and be given better loot at the harder difficulties) I also have to mention that the difficulty of the solo parts of the game have already been reduced multiple times. At some point you just have to get better.

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

This patch just killed the solo aspect of eso.

I'm not sure how. It was so easy I could solo everything outside of some bosses in everything but Craglorn major delves.

I almost soloed Razacks Wheel on Sun night. Would have but I was very tired and was not playing all that well. We'll see how it is now. Should be tough.

Well whoop de [snip] do. Your statement proves the game is broke as all hell, play as you want is a [snip] lie. Only certain builds work, why even type any more not a damn thing will be done.

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