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Alts On Opposing Factions, Same @#%$! Campaign
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✭✭✭✭✭^^ Ethical wasteland.
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michaelb14a_ESO2✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »
So you acknowledge that your not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. You do it anyways and exploit around ZOS's efforts to gate you from doing so, and then try to separate yourself from others doing the same.
Play separate campaigns. Anything else and your just another exploiter.
- Nobody at Zenimax says what you claim is "supposed" to happen. That is your opinion. Stop treating it as a fact or a rule of the game.
- There is no "exploit" to have an alt on the same campaign. Brian Wheeler has repeatedly said the jump-to-player option in Cyrodiil exists for people to play with their friends that otherwise would not be able to.
- If someone at Zenimax has said it was against the spirit of game to have alts playing in a different alliance, please provide it.
- There is only one campaign in the NA server with action. We can't play in separate campaigns.
Spent exactly two minutes finding this direct quote from ZOS:It is by design that characters of differing alliances cannot join the same campaign. This prevents cross-faction information from reaching large groups with the use of "spy" characters.
-ZOS_GaryA
Next time you want to develop an opinion on something and try calling someone out, get the facts... or be damn sure they dont. I mean, now you just look like a moron.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭^^ Ethical wasteland.
- This isn't politics, isn't national security, and doesn't effect the social fabric we live in. It's a game. Don't presume my ethics until we actually discuss stuff that is important.
Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.2 -
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✭Recently, members of a certain AD guild rolled EP alts due to an inter-guild disagreement of some sort. I wasn't privy to the particulars... but I've heard enough to know that that was the kernel that launched this schism.
Now said members of said guild are playing on two opposing sides of the same god damned campaign... one minute they're over on EP fighting us AD... next they're back on AD... Currently, they're over on AD rallying the faction against DC.
Strange, isn't it? ..that a group of players who have swapped sides (to the winning faction no less lol) are going back and forth... marshalling AD against DC... when they're also on EP.
One of these fine upstanding players has even been so mind-blowingly condescending as to talk smack about how they're going to stomp us AD, as EP, WHILE THEY ATTEMPT TO LEAD THE SHEEPLE OF THE DOMINION TO HIT DC!!!
If this is what you're going to allow your PvP to devolve into, Zeni... I'm done.
Ffs, end the ability to "travel to player" and/or have alts on the same @#$%! campaign.
Enough is enough.
It does make sense not to have chars in all campaigns.
@ZoS_BrianWheeler
Maybe this could just be an easy thing to change?
Brian, what do you say?
Your campaign is bound to your alliance. Every char can still be in whatever campaign on any side. But if you want the same campaign, you must choose the same side.
This is a very good and easy fix for abuse.
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✭✭✭✭✭michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »
Spent exactly two minutes finding this direct quote from ZOS:It is by design that characters of differing alliances cannot join the same campaign. This prevents cross-faction information from reaching large groups with the use of "spy" characters.
-ZOS_GaryA
Next time you want to develop an opinion on something and try calling someone out, get the facts... or be damn sure they dont. I mean, now you just look like a moron.
coolthanksbye
Thank You. I can appreciate getting called out when someone provides actual documentation. It helps spur discussion. You did provide what I was asking. I will grant you that was Zenimax's original intention.
But:
- We are now nearly six months from launch and Zenimax has altered much of their original design due to how the customer-base has played their game. The scrapping of the Vet system is the most obvious example. PvP campaigns have also changed radically. At launch when there were upwards of 10 campaigns, 3 or 4 of them with consistent action, the cry of "play a different campaign" was plausible for people with cross-faction alts. That is no longer a practical option.
- Zenimax allows the "exploits" to allow people to jump-to-que because they believe, and I agree with them, that the ability to play with friends/guildmates is more important that instituting and adhering to strict measures when entering Cyrodiil. Whether or not you agree, this is Zenimax's philosophy and it is policy. I quote:
From Brian Wheeler: "Being that ESO is an MMO, adding limits to when/where I can play with friends is a key issue we’re aware. That’s why the Jump-to-Player option is currently allowed to enter Cyrodiil. It’s our belief that allowing players to group up and play together is one of the most important aspects of an MMO, and removing the capability to jump to your friends or use a guest pass would be detrimental."
- Because the game and PvP campaigns have not developed in the manner Zenimax originally envisioned, they have had to adjust and do the best they can to accommodate their player base. That is why these inconsistencies exist that would seem to contradict their original design philosophy. Zenimax understands right now that the reality of Cyrodiil is that one campaign has all the action and because of that they have implemented measures to ensure people who have months invested in their characters have access to that campaign. That is the reason the quote you provided is not on any of the Allaince WAr FAQs.
- You and several other posters in this thread obviously have a big problem with people who play on opposing factions who want to have meaningful PvP experiences. That's fine, you are entitled to your perspective. What you are not providing, however, is a fair solution to the problem that Zenimax faces: how can they orient their campaigns to ensure there are multiple meaningful campaigns and convince people to commit to one.
- I don't know the answer either. I do know that there are enough people who have spent months nurturing characters in different alliances for various reasons and the sort of strict Cyrodiil lock you would like to see implemented would effectively prevent these characters from meaningful PvP experiences. Even if you could guarantee that there were 3 campaigns with consistent PvP action, there is still the problem of being blocked from playing with friends/guildmates which Zenimax has indicated is a high priority.Edited by Joy_Division on November 2, 2014 7:48PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.3 -
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Correction, it's pixel warfare. And ethics certainly does apply to warfare. I took a class on the ethics of warfare and counterintelligence last semester.
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Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »I am not a member of that group but ive been doing this for months. I play whatever toon I feel like playing, on whatever campaign I feel like playing. (mostly my three AD toons though)
It isnt a crime you know.
There's an obvious difference between playing a toon on a different faction, most likely on a different server,... and being part of a group trying to sway an entire campaigns outcome by hopping back and forth between teams on the same server.
That should be obvious to you, Rylana. The fact that it's not leads me to believe you're playing troll.
You're not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. There's a very good reason for that. unfortunately, it's easy to bypass.
It'd be like a leading sports player jumping to the other team, after his team tied the game, and then started playing against his team... not only that, then switching back and trying to talk some of his original teammates into making decisions that benefitted the other team.
As far as my reading of the Terms of Service is concerned, it is a "crime"... what those players are doing is against the ToS... and the infraction should bring the banhammer.
..but, I'm obviously not wielding the hammer, and ZOS could clearly give two *** about policing PvP.
You also gotta realize I dont care about the score for anyone, just my own score (as in ranks, K/d, AP generation for myself, awesome fights, etc)
I only really play objectives when i know it will generate the above, but I do support whatever the faction I am on at the time is doing.
One day I helped AD escort a scroll, and EP escort a scroll just a few hours later. Was their plan, I was along for the PvP.
Ive been on an AD toon wiping reds at Alessia bridge, and two hours later been on an EP toon wiping yellows off of Alessia farm trying to retake Alessia.
To me the above scenarios are legit gameplay because I neither cheat nor game the system, I play fairly wherever I am.
Said in the post above this one, I dont condone what this specific group is doing, but not every cross faction player is an a-hole like that.
So you acknowledge that your not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. You do it anyways and exploit around ZOS's efforts to gate you from doing so, and then try to separate yourself from others doing the same.
Play separate campaigns. Anything else and your just another exploiter.
ZOS is clearly attempting to prevent people from doubling up on leaderboards. I dont gain leaderboard position doing what I do. There is a major difference between what I do, and what is being talked about in the OP of this thread.
Due to the buff server situation, there is no pvp on any campaign except thornblade, thus I have little choice but to play all my toons there. I am not able or willing to attempt to solo haderus on my red, or azuras on my blue. My yellows go to Chillrend on occasion only because on yellow side I can actually get a group together to go there. I have very few such ties with other factions as I mostly play those chars solo.
If more people end up on those campaigns and it wasnt a crapshoot, sure, I could figure out a way to get PvP somewhere else, but for now thorn is all my EP toon ever has besides the occasional Haderus push.
Cutting the number of campaigns and concentrating the population into one place is what is really to blame here.
Really spread the populations to all four vet enabled campaigns and youd see a drastic diminishing of almost every issue plaguing pvp currently.
And how do they do that you ask? By not allowing travel to player or cross faction alts on the same server. You made the point the op was making by trying to defend the exploit... Eventually the queue times will be long enough that people will migrate and this would right itself. Or you could just put a 4 hour CD on playing cross faction alts but that could still be worked around so the only real way is to enforce their rule by not allowing an Alt to enter a campaign your cross faction main is in. Also get rid of guesting would solve the buff server issue and allow you to play all 3 factions and pvp as you like. This whole mess would be very inconvenient for lots of people though. As such annoyances are unfunfavorable to making money it will never be adopted and a few bad apples will always ruin it for those who want to play legitimately's time.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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Major✭✭I am not a member of that group but ive been doing this for months. I play whatever toon I feel like playing, on whatever campaign I feel like playing. (mostly my three AD toons though)
It isnt a crime you know.
There's an obvious difference between playing a toon on a different faction, most likely on a different server,... and being part of a group trying to sway an entire campaigns outcome by hopping back and forth between teams on the same server.
That should be obvious to you, Rylana. The fact that it's not leads me to believe you're playing troll.
You're not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. There's a very good reason for that. unfortunately, it's easy to bypass.
It'd be like a leading sports player jumping to the other team, after his team tied the game, and then started playing against his team... not only that, then switching back and trying to talk some of his original teammates into making decisions that benefitted the other team.
As far as my reading of the Terms of Service is concerned, it is a "crime"... what those players are doing is against the ToS... and the infraction should bring the banhammer.
..but, I'm obviously not wielding the hammer, and ZOS could clearly give two *** about policing PvP.
You also gotta realize I dont care about the score for anyone, just my own score (as in ranks, K/d, AP generation for myself, awesome fights, etc)
I only really play objectives when i know it will generate the above, but I do support whatever the faction I am on at the time is doing.
One day I helped AD escort a scroll, and EP escort a scroll just a few hours later. Was their plan, I was along for the PvP.
Ive been on an AD toon wiping reds at Alessia bridge, and two hours later been on an EP toon wiping yellows off of Alessia farm trying to retake Alessia.
To me the above scenarios are legit gameplay because I neither cheat nor game the system, I play fairly wherever I am.
Said in the post above this one, I dont condone what this specific group is doing, but not every cross faction player is an a-hole like that.
Liezara... Let me try and understand what you're saying. It's ok for YOU! to farm ap and not go for objectives unless it suits you, and it's a flammable offense for one to lead an organized group to do the same. Pretty sure I'll continue to think you're a joke.0 -
Uber_Lord✭✭I think they should embrace the spy mechanic but then they should also add friendly fire mechanic to deal with spies. To me it's part of fun. Just like in any multiplayer game ever you can switch teams at your will, I don't see any problems with that in ESO.
I personally wish there was a 4th option in PVP. Betray your alliance, become a free bandit and group up with anyone you like while every single player can kill you.0 -
So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.Ra's
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✭Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
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✭Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
Yeah, most people don't get it. I agree with you. that behavior is inexcusable.
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✭✭✭Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
Out of an abundance of curiosity, how in the world did they 'assure EP's victory'?Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
Out of an abundance of curiosity, how in the world did they 'attempt to assure EP's victory'?
sigh
read the threadEdited by Grim13 on November 3, 2014 9:01PM1 -
I realize the basis of the thread, although I admit I was not aware when I posted. Too hasty to put my word in. That being said, it is sad that you feel the need to comment on individuals intellect on an MMO forum. Get off your high horse mate.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
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✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
Out of an abundance of curiosity, how in the world did they 'attempt to assure EP's victory'?
sigh
read the thread
So, let me get this straight.
Playing for 2nd place is assuring EP's victory?
Telling AD to hit DC isn't helping EP. It is telling AD what they needed to do to not be third place. As someone who was doing the calculations of what spreads were needed every hour to change the standings on the leaderboard (as an EP guild leader it was very, very important to me to help assure our victory, so I knew how much leeway I had to be risky with giving away points), I am fairly familiar with how the standings looked on the final day.
As the day went on, the points that needed to be gained per hour to pass EP by the time the campaign ended kept increasing. At the beginning of Saturday, DC had to outscore EP by only about 30 per hour for the rest of the 24 hour period to win. As they kept failing to do so, that number per hour needed kept increasing. From 30, to 40, to 90 near the end of the day. It just wasn't happening.
AD's gap they needed to exceed our score by to close the gap was exponentially higher. At one point I calculated it at being 317 points more than either faction earned per hour to pull a win by the end. (FYI: If you need more than 399 points per hour, you're mathematically eliminated. It's impossible to win).
But.
They could've beaten DC's score. Going into the final day, if AD couldn't flip the entire map yellow and hold it all day, they weren't going to get first. Since that didn't happen, AD needed to "settle" and shoot for second place. That's good play and a good plan to get yourself in better position and get better quality rewards for yourself and your faction mates.
If AD had spent all day pounding the ever loving crap out of DC. Pushed them to their gates, take their scrolls and then camp their gates preventing them from getting so much as a resource, then DC ends up in 3rd place, AD 2nd, and EP in 1st.
As it was, AD played for third place. They decided to be spoilers and tried to prevent EP from winning instead of playing for better rewards themselves.
That's AD's choice, but playing for 2nd isn't assuring EP's victory. It's smart play and the sign of someone who is thinking about benefiting the group more than being a spoiler.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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✭Ras_Alghul wrote: »
I realize the basis of the thread, although I admit I was not aware when I posted. Too hasty to put my word in. That being said, it is sad that you feel the need to comment on individuals intellect on an MMO forum. Get off your high horse mate.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
I'm not on a high horse... actually, I'm just tired of the majority's inability to adhere to even the minimum requirement of understanding the discussion on hand before posting in a thread.
This:So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
..is trolling. And as such, is open to critical judgement.0 -
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✭✭✭Ras_Alghul wrote: »
I realize the basis of the thread, although I admit I was not aware when I posted. Too hasty to put my word in. That being said, it is sad that you feel the need to comment on individuals intellect on an MMO forum. Get off your high horse mate.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
I'm not on a high horse... actually, I'm just tired of the majority's inability to adhere to even the minimum requirement of understanding the discussion on hand before posting in a thread.
This:So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
..is trolling. And as such, is open to critical judgement.
Trust me, that's not trolling.
Try some of the spiderman threads and images that have shown up lately.
That's trolling.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
Out of an abundance of curiosity, how in the world did they 'attempt to assure EP's victory'?
sigh
read the thread
So, let me get this straight.
Playing for 2nd place is assuring EP's victory?
Telling AD to hit DC isn't helping EP. It is telling AD what they needed to do to not be third place. As someone who was doing the calculations of what spreads were needed every hour to change the standings on the leaderboard (as an EP guild leader it was very, very important to me to help assure our victory, so I knew how much leeway I had to be risky with giving away points), I am fairly familiar with how the standings looked on the final day.
As the day went on, the points that needed to be gained per hour to pass EP by the time the campaign ended kept increasing. At the beginning of Saturday, DC had to outscore EP by only about 30 per hour for the rest of the 24 hour period to win. As they kept failing to do so, that number per hour needed kept increasing. From 30, to 40, to 90 near the end of the day. It just wasn't happening.
AD's gap they needed to exceed our score by to close the gap was exponentially higher. At one point I calculated it at being 317 points more than either faction earned per hour to pull a win by the end. (FYI: If you need more than 399 points per hour, you're mathematically eliminated. It's impossible to win).
But.
They could've beaten DC's score. Going into the final day, if AD couldn't flip the entire map yellow and hold it all day, they weren't going to get first. Since that didn't happen, AD needed to "settle" and shoot for second place. That's good play and a good plan to get yourself in better position and get better quality rewards for yourself and your faction mates.
If AD had spent all day pounding the ever loving crap out of DC. Pushed them to their gates, take their scrolls and then camp their gates preventing them from getting so much as a resource, then DC ends up in 3rd place, AD 2nd, and EP in 1st.
As it was, AD played for third place. They decided to be spoilers and tried to prevent EP from winning instead of playing for better rewards themselves.
That's AD's choice, but playing for 2nd isn't assuring EP's victory. It's smart play and the sign of someone who is thinking about benefiting the group more than being a spoiler.
lol
That's all great... but I'm not sure what your point is.
Were you privy to AD's zone chat? Do you know what the convos were in it?
Ad didn't try to be spoilers... nor, did we try for 2nd place.
No, we waffled around... this is the reason why we came 3rd.
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✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Ras_Alghul wrote: »
I realize the basis of the thread, although I admit I was not aware when I posted. Too hasty to put my word in. That being said, it is sad that you feel the need to comment on individuals intellect on an MMO forum. Get off your high horse mate.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
I'm not on a high horse... actually, I'm just tired of the majority's inability to adhere to even the minimum requirement of understanding the discussion on hand before posting in a thread.
This:So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
..is trolling. And as such, is open to critical judgement.
Trust me, that's not trolling.
Try some of the spiderman threads and images that have shown up lately.
That's trolling.
Both are, I'd argue... by degrees.
However, I have moved on... and thus am done with this topic and thread. (unless the *** start spying/undermining ad again, of course lol)
Cheers, see you in cyro... where I will hopefully kill you.
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✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
Out of an abundance of curiosity, how in the world did they 'attempt to assure EP's victory'?
sigh
read the thread
So, let me get this straight.
Playing for 2nd place is assuring EP's victory?
Telling AD to hit DC isn't helping EP. It is telling AD what they needed to do to not be third place. As someone who was doing the calculations of what spreads were needed every hour to change the standings on the leaderboard (as an EP guild leader it was very, very important to me to help assure our victory, so I knew how much leeway I had to be risky with giving away points), I am fairly familiar with how the standings looked on the final day.
As the day went on, the points that needed to be gained per hour to pass EP by the time the campaign ended kept increasing. At the beginning of Saturday, DC had to outscore EP by only about 30 per hour for the rest of the 24 hour period to win. As they kept failing to do so, that number per hour needed kept increasing. From 30, to 40, to 90 near the end of the day. It just wasn't happening.
AD's gap they needed to exceed our score by to close the gap was exponentially higher. At one point I calculated it at being 317 points more than either faction earned per hour to pull a win by the end. (FYI: If you need more than 399 points per hour, you're mathematically eliminated. It's impossible to win).
But.
They could've beaten DC's score. Going into the final day, if AD couldn't flip the entire map yellow and hold it all day, they weren't going to get first. Since that didn't happen, AD needed to "settle" and shoot for second place. That's good play and a good plan to get yourself in better position and get better quality rewards for yourself and your faction mates.
If AD had spent all day pounding the ever loving crap out of DC. Pushed them to their gates, take their scrolls and then camp their gates preventing them from getting so much as a resource, then DC ends up in 3rd place, AD 2nd, and EP in 1st.
As it was, AD played for third place. They decided to be spoilers and tried to prevent EP from winning instead of playing for better rewards themselves.
That's AD's choice, but playing for 2nd isn't assuring EP's victory. It's smart play and the sign of someone who is thinking about benefiting the group more than being a spoiler.
lol
That's all great... but I'm not sure what your point is.
Were you privy to AD's zone chat? Do you know what the convos were in it?
Ad didn't try to be spoilers... nor, did we try for 2nd place.
No, we waffled around... this is the reason why we came 3rd.
No, I am not privvy to any of the conversations in it. I can only speak to the actions taken.
EP was subject to the mother of all double teams on Saturday in an attempt to prevent the win. I understand it, and that's fine. DC and AD both came at us like crazy while barely doing anything to each other.
OTOH, by engaging in it, when they still have a slim chance of digging out of the basement (and had DiE apparently prodding them in the direction that would do so), AD chose to keep hitting EP all day to prevent our win, hence the 'spoiler' statement.
If AD had organized, listened to the advice given it, and pounded DC hard like I mentioned, Thornblade cycle 3 would have been EP 1st, AD 2nd, DC 3rd. The math was there, it was very possible. They had to start on it early Saturday and hold DC down all day, but it was doable, and EP would have probably been there helping double team DC as extending our lead was our top priority throughout the day (that's why we stole NiMohk).
They didn't.
And they lost.
EDIT:
And if you're about to ask me what the point of this information is, it's this --
DiE weren't trying to 'assure EP's victory' as you claimed. They were trying to help AD pull itself out of the basement by making the correct move from a strategic view. They were playing the scoreboard in the strictest sense, trying to find a way for AD to better its standing before the final hour.
Hit DC, get 2nd. Hit EP and maybe EP get's second, and DC 1st, but AD's still 3rd either way.Edited by Agrippa_Invisus on November 3, 2014 9:29PMAgrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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✭I gotta say, this whole Unstable Wall + animation cancelation causing premature detonation of the attack and resulting in 2 people being able to wipe 20+ people in the space of less than 3 seconds is complete and utter garbage.
If you utilize this tactic, punch yourself in the face.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »I gotta say, this whole Unstable Wall + animation cancelation causing premature detonation of the attack and resulting in 2 people being able to wipe 20+ people in the space of less than 3 seconds is complete and utter garbage.
If you utilize this tactic, punch yourself in the face.
Wrong thread, methinks.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
Out of an abundance of curiosity, how in the world did they 'attempt to assure EP's victory'?
sigh
read the thread
So, let me get this straight.
Playing for 2nd place is assuring EP's victory?
Telling AD to hit DC isn't helping EP. It is telling AD what they needed to do to not be third place. As someone who was doing the calculations of what spreads were needed every hour to change the standings on the leaderboard (as an EP guild leader it was very, very important to me to help assure our victory, so I knew how much leeway I had to be risky with giving away points), I am fairly familiar with how the standings looked on the final day.
As the day went on, the points that needed to be gained per hour to pass EP by the time the campaign ended kept increasing. At the beginning of Saturday, DC had to outscore EP by only about 30 per hour for the rest of the 24 hour period to win. As they kept failing to do so, that number per hour needed kept increasing. From 30, to 40, to 90 near the end of the day. It just wasn't happening.
AD's gap they needed to exceed our score by to close the gap was exponentially higher. At one point I calculated it at being 317 points more than either faction earned per hour to pull a win by the end. (FYI: If you need more than 399 points per hour, you're mathematically eliminated. It's impossible to win).
But.
They could've beaten DC's score. Going into the final day, if AD couldn't flip the entire map yellow and hold it all day, they weren't going to get first. Since that didn't happen, AD needed to "settle" and shoot for second place. That's good play and a good plan to get yourself in better position and get better quality rewards for yourself and your faction mates.
If AD had spent all day pounding the ever loving crap out of DC. Pushed them to their gates, take their scrolls and then camp their gates preventing them from getting so much as a resource, then DC ends up in 3rd place, AD 2nd, and EP in 1st.
As it was, AD played for third place. They decided to be spoilers and tried to prevent EP from winning instead of playing for better rewards themselves.
That's AD's choice, but playing for 2nd isn't assuring EP's victory. It's smart play and the sign of someone who is thinking about benefiting the group more than being a spoiler.
lol
That's all great... but I'm not sure what your point is.
Were you privy to AD's zone chat? Do you know what the convos were in it?
Ad didn't try to be spoilers... nor, did we try for 2nd place.
No, we waffled around... this is the reason why we came 3rd.
No, I am not privvy to any of the conversations in it. I can only speak to the actions taken.
EP was subject to the mother of all double teams on Saturday in an attempt to prevent the win. I understand it, and that's fine. DC and AD both came at us like crazy while barely doing anything to each other.
OTOH, by engaging in it, when they still have a slim chance of digging out of the basement (and had DiE apparently prodding them in the direction that would do so), AD chose to keep hitting EP all day to prevent our win, hence the 'spoiler' statement.
If AD had organized, listened to the advice given it, and pounded DC hard like I mentioned, Thornblade cycle 3 would have been EP 1st, AD 2nd, DC 3rd. The math was there, it was very possible. They had to start on it early Saturday and hold DC down all day, but it was doable, and EP would have probably been there helping double team DC as extending our lead was our top priority throughout the day (that's why we stole NiMohk).
They didn't.
And they lost.
EDIT:
And if you're about to ask me what the point of this information is, it's this --
DiE weren't trying to 'assure EP's victory' as you claimed. They were trying to help AD pull itself out of the basement by making the correct move from a strategic view. They were playing the scoreboard in the strictest sense, trying to find a way for AD to better its standing before the final hour.
Hit DC, get 2nd. Hit EP and maybe EP get's second, and DC 1st, but AD's still 3rd either way.
Fine, one more post than:
Imo, 2nd and 3rd are interchangeable loss states... only one team wins a campaign.
Sure, you may or may not get slightly more gold from 2nd than 3rd... Idk. My only reason for playing pvp is to try and win the campaigns, everything else is incidental. AP, kill counts, etc., are only side-benefits of playing for the team.
So, playing for 2nd doesn't mean a lot... but that's me, obviously.
And while it is true that the DiE members who remained loyal to the AD were indeed doing their best for the cause... the members who were only visiting from their newly minted EP alts were not.
No, they were threatening us with future ass-whoopings and leading groups off in silly, tangential directions... toward objectives that would ultimately only aid the EP.
Which is why they were vociferously attacked in zone whenever they made such overt attempts at sabotage.
..but, hey, they are yours now.
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✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Ras_Alghul wrote: »So some of DiE rerolled red, who cares? Stop whining and roll them up. I personally think it is fun to face people you have fought beside before. Plus, whatever beef you may have against them, they are a good guild. This makes for a fun challenge.
lol I worry for people like you, and your ability to make your way through the world, when your comprehension is this low.
No one cares that DiE left. Honestly, good riddance! There are few guilds in the game who can match DiE's level of psychotic hubris and megalomania...
What has pissed everyone off, and I'll repeat it again in the hopes I can sneak it past your disability, was the fact that they were flip-flopping back and forth between characters in an attempt to assure EP's victory in the last campaign by abusing their ties with AD.
That, and being *** about the move in AD's zone chat.
Hell, they still occasionally pop back in to try and rile people up over it, lol. Classy stuff.
Anyway, what's done is done. We've moved on.
Out of an abundance of curiosity, how in the world did they 'attempt to assure EP's victory'?
sigh
read the thread
So, let me get this straight.
Playing for 2nd place is assuring EP's victory?
Telling AD to hit DC isn't helping EP. It is telling AD what they needed to do to not be third place. As someone who was doing the calculations of what spreads were needed every hour to change the standings on the leaderboard (as an EP guild leader it was very, very important to me to help assure our victory, so I knew how much leeway I had to be risky with giving away points), I am fairly familiar with how the standings looked on the final day.
As the day went on, the points that needed to be gained per hour to pass EP by the time the campaign ended kept increasing. At the beginning of Saturday, DC had to outscore EP by only about 30 per hour for the rest of the 24 hour period to win. As they kept failing to do so, that number per hour needed kept increasing. From 30, to 40, to 90 near the end of the day. It just wasn't happening.
AD's gap they needed to exceed our score by to close the gap was exponentially higher. At one point I calculated it at being 317 points more than either faction earned per hour to pull a win by the end. (FYI: If you need more than 399 points per hour, you're mathematically eliminated. It's impossible to win).
But.
They could've beaten DC's score. Going into the final day, if AD couldn't flip the entire map yellow and hold it all day, they weren't going to get first. Since that didn't happen, AD needed to "settle" and shoot for second place. That's good play and a good plan to get yourself in better position and get better quality rewards for yourself and your faction mates.
If AD had spent all day pounding the ever loving crap out of DC. Pushed them to their gates, take their scrolls and then camp their gates preventing them from getting so much as a resource, then DC ends up in 3rd place, AD 2nd, and EP in 1st.
As it was, AD played for third place. They decided to be spoilers and tried to prevent EP from winning instead of playing for better rewards themselves.
That's AD's choice, but playing for 2nd isn't assuring EP's victory. It's smart play and the sign of someone who is thinking about benefiting the group more than being a spoiler.
lol
That's all great... but I'm not sure what your point is.
Were you privy to AD's zone chat? Do you know what the convos were in it?
Ad didn't try to be spoilers... nor, did we try for 2nd place.
No, we waffled around... this is the reason why we came 3rd.
No, I am not privvy to any of the conversations in it. I can only speak to the actions taken.
EP was subject to the mother of all double teams on Saturday in an attempt to prevent the win. I understand it, and that's fine. DC and AD both came at us like crazy while barely doing anything to each other.
OTOH, by engaging in it, when they still have a slim chance of digging out of the basement (and had DiE apparently prodding them in the direction that would do so), AD chose to keep hitting EP all day to prevent our win, hence the 'spoiler' statement.
If AD had organized, listened to the advice given it, and pounded DC hard like I mentioned, Thornblade cycle 3 would have been EP 1st, AD 2nd, DC 3rd. The math was there, it was very possible. They had to start on it early Saturday and hold DC down all day, but it was doable, and EP would have probably been there helping double team DC as extending our lead was our top priority throughout the day (that's why we stole NiMohk).
They didn't.
And they lost.
EDIT:
And if you're about to ask me what the point of this information is, it's this --
DiE weren't trying to 'assure EP's victory' as you claimed. They were trying to help AD pull itself out of the basement by making the correct move from a strategic view. They were playing the scoreboard in the strictest sense, trying to find a way for AD to better its standing before the final hour.
Hit DC, get 2nd. Hit EP and maybe EP get's second, and DC 1st, but AD's still 3rd either way.
Fine, one more post than:
Imo, 2nd and 3rd are interchangeable loss states... only one team wins a campaign.
Sure, you may or may not get slightly more gold from 2nd than 3rd... Idk. My only reason for playing pvp is to try and win the campaigns, everything else is incidental. AP, kill counts, etc., are only side-benefits of playing for the team.
So, playing for 2nd doesn't mean a lot... but that's me, obviously.
And while it is true that the DiE members who remained loyal to the AD were indeed doing their best for the cause... the members who were only visiting from their newly minted EP alts were not.
No, they were threatening us with future ass-whoopings and leading groups off in silly, tangential directions... toward objectives that would ultimately only aid the EP.
Which is why they were vociferously attacked in zone whenever they made such overt attempts at sabotage.
..but, hey, they are yours now.
Enjoy.
2nd and 3rd being 'interchangable loss states' is your opinion alone, thankfully. There is direct, material benefit to your alliance for having a higher standing on the scoreboard. More money, more loot. And hey, bragging rights over DC at least.
And when you say 'tangential directions', is that what you believe hitting DC is? That reducing their points earning so that AD could catch up to them and possibly surpass them equates to?
Unless they were doing things like Dolmens or minidungeons with full raids, there's not much in Cyrodiil you can do that's not somewhat useful.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Subtomik✭✭✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »I gotta say, this whole Unstable Wall + animation cancelation causing premature detonation of the attack and resulting in 2 people being able to wipe 20+ people in the space of less than 3 seconds is complete and utter garbage.
If you utilize this tactic, punch yourself in the face.
for the love of god PLEASE take the time to learn what animation canceling is, and the difference between the morphs of unstable wall and elemental blockade.
It will take 5 minutes, someone make a f'ing video showing this "exploit". Ask half the people who picked it up after watching NM use it if there is some crazy damage burst or animation canceling exploit lol. There isn't. Im sorry you are bad enough to stand in stacks of it laying on the ground and getting wiped.
yes I understand that the damage accumulates into the death recap as one large number, that means you are sitting in the thing for 10+ seconds.
You being bad doesn't mean anyone is exploiting, and when you idiots cry about stuff like this you cheapen the word exploit and when there really is a problem it just seems like everyone is crying wolf.2 -
Winnamine✭✭✭✭✭I think it's a bit unfair to accuse DiE of rolling EP to "join the winning faction." EP did win the last campaign, but those DiE members are VR 14 now, they started leveling those alts loooong before an EP win was in any way a done deal.
Personally, I think it's far more likely they rerolled to address the population imbalance issue, and also maybe because they'd gotten a lot of hate from AD.
A lot of AD guilds have been looking into rerolling to help with pop imbalances, I think it's a good thing.
Lay off guys. In this thread, I found myself defending DiE and 'agree'ing with 3 of Rylana's comments. Not good.Winni
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wafcatb14_ESO✭✭✭They really need a faction lockout , you can swap to a different faction toon than you are playing now but you can`t go into the same campaign as other characters you have on different faction .
Or a complete lockout like they did in Warhammer , you can switch to a different faction toon to play , but whatever faction you log on first you are stuck locked to that faction for atleast 5 hours after you log off, and can`t log on a different faction toon until the timer is up.1