Alts On Opposing Factions, Same @#%$! Campaign

Grim13 · November 2014

Recently, members of a certain AD guild rolled EP alts due to an inter-guild disagreement of some sort. I wasn't privy to the particulars... but I've heard enough to know that that was the kernel that launched this schism.

Now said members of said guild are playing on two opposing sides of the same god damned campaign... one minute they're over on EP fighting us AD... next they're back on AD... Currently, they're over on AD rallying the faction against DC.

Strange, isn't it? ..that a group of players who have swapped sides (to the winning faction no less lol) are going back and forth... marshalling AD against DC... when they're also on EP.

One of these fine upstanding players has even been so mind-blowingly condescending as to talk smack about how they're going to stomp us AD, as EP, WHILE THEY ATTEMPT TO LEAD THE SHEEPLE OF THE DOMINION TO HIT DC!!!

If this is what you're going to allow your PvP to devolve into, Zeni... I'm done.

Ffs, end the ability to "travel to player" and/or have alts on the same @#$%! campaign.

Enough is enough.

Rylana · November 2014

I am not a member of that group but ive been doing this for months. I play whatever toon I feel like playing, on whatever campaign I feel like playing. (mostly my three AD toons though)

It isnt a crime you know.

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

It's kinda sheisty though. Especially for the less than savory people that'll log on one alliance, listen to zone chat and then scurry over to the other alliance and feed them all the info. That's not okay.

Sure espionage is a part of war, but this is a little damn ridiculous.

Rylana · November 2014

Thats a personal principle of mine, and its made clear to everyone I play with that thats not my thing. Not there as a spy or double agent, ever. Im usually on red to kill some yellow jackass that I wanted dead or something.

Whatever faction I am on on a given night is the faction I represent. Freedom from factional ties to PvP as i see fit is all its about.

Whats going on on thornblade I do not condone, however, ESPECIALLY if they are abusing it by farming alts/setting up the other faction to fail at an OPFOR faction farm scenario, troll camping, etc.

Dunno how much of those shenanigans be going on, but those of us that are legit and play for the PvP dont look kindly on any of that either.

Grim13 · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

I am not a member of that group but ive been doing this for months. I play whatever toon I feel like playing, on whatever campaign I feel like playing. (mostly my three AD toons though)

It isnt a crime you know.

There's an obvious difference between playing a toon on a different faction, most likely on a different server,... and being part of a group trying to sway an entire campaigns outcome by hopping back and forth between teams on the same server.

That should be obvious to you, Rylana. The fact that it's not leads me to believe you're playing troll.

You're not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. There's a very good reason for that. unfortunately, it's easy to bypass.

It'd be like a leading sports player jumping to the other team, after his team tied the game, and then started playing against his team... not only that, then switching back and trying to talk some of his original teammates into making decisions that benefitted the other team.

As far as my reading of the Terms of Service is concerned, it is a "crime"... what those players are doing is against the ToS... and the infraction should bring the banhammer.

..but, I'm obviously not wielding the hammer, and ZOS could clearly give two *** about policing PvP.

Rylana · November 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

I am not a member of that group but ive been doing this for months. I play whatever toon I feel like playing, on whatever campaign I feel like playing. (mostly my three AD toons though)

It isnt a crime you know.

There's an obvious difference between playing a toon on a different faction, most likely on a different server,... and being part of a group trying to sway an entire campaigns outcome by hopping back and forth between teams on the same server.

That should be obvious to you, Rylana. The fact that it's not leads me to believe you're playing troll.

You're not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. There's a very good reason for that. unfortunately, it's easy to bypass.

It'd be like a leading sports player jumping to the other team, after his team tied the game, and then started playing against his team... not only that, then switching back and trying to talk some of his original teammates into making decisions that benefitted the other team.

As far as my reading of the Terms of Service is concerned, it is a "crime"... what those players are doing is against the ToS... and the infraction should bring the banhammer.

..but, I'm obviously not wielding the hammer, and ZOS could clearly give two *** about policing PvP.

You also gotta realize I dont care about the score for anyone, just my own score (as in ranks, K/d, AP generation for myself, awesome fights, etc)

I only really play objectives when i know it will generate the above, but I do support whatever the faction I am on at the time is doing.

One day I helped AD escort a scroll, and EP escort a scroll just a few hours later. Was their plan, I was along for the PvP.

Ive been on an AD toon wiping reds at Alessia bridge, and two hours later been on an EP toon wiping yellows off of Alessia farm trying to retake Alessia.

To me the above scenarios are legit gameplay because I neither cheat nor game the system, I play fairly wherever I am.

Said in the post above this one, I dont condone what this specific group is doing, but not every cross faction player is an a-hole like that.

Grim13 · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Thats a personal principle of mine, and its made clear to everyone I play with that thats not my thing. Not there as a spy or double agent, ever. Im usually on red to kill some yellow jackass that I wanted dead or something.

Whatever faction I am on on a given night is the faction I represent. Freedom from factional ties to PvP as i see fit is all its about.

Whats going on on thornblade I do not condone, however, ESPECIALLY if they are abusing it by farming alts/setting up the other faction to fail at an OPFOR faction farm scenario, troll camping, etc.

Dunno how much of those shenanigans be going on, but those of us that are legit and play for the PvP dont look kindly on any of that either.

I respect that.

Unfortunately, the people I am speaking of don't hold the same values as you or I.

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Thats a personal principle of mine, and its made clear to everyone I play with that thats not my thing. Not there as a spy or double agent, ever. Im usually on red to kill some yellow jackass that I wanted dead or something.

Whatever faction I am on on a given night is the faction I represent. Freedom from factional ties to PvP as i see fit is all its about.

Whats going on on thornblade I do not condone, however, ESPECIALLY if they are abusing it by farming alts/setting up the other faction to fail at an OPFOR faction farm scenario, troll camping, etc.

Dunno how much of those shenanigans be going on, but those of us that are legit and play for the PvP dont look kindly on any of that either.

Fair enough. Why do people suck so much? Seriously what travesty had to have befallen a person to make them think that behavior like this is acceptable?

And to any jackhole that decides to retort with , "It's just a game man relax, hur hur hur don't be mad cuz yr lozing" let me stop you before hand.

Regardless of it being a game, that noise is unacceptable behavior for any decent human being.

Rylana · November 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Thats a personal principle of mine, and its made clear to everyone I play with that thats not my thing. Not there as a spy or double agent, ever. Im usually on red to kill some yellow jackass that I wanted dead or something.

Whatever faction I am on on a given night is the faction I represent. Freedom from factional ties to PvP as i see fit is all its about.

Whats going on on thornblade I do not condone, however, ESPECIALLY if they are abusing it by farming alts/setting up the other faction to fail at an OPFOR faction farm scenario, troll camping, etc.

Dunno how much of those shenanigans be going on, but those of us that are legit and play for the PvP dont look kindly on any of that either.

I respect that.

Unfortunately, the people I am speaking of don't hold the same values as you or I.

Well then you understand why I dont support removing travel to player, because that catches legitimate PvPers not out to "screw you" so to speak. Well besides gleefully send you back to whatever spawn you came from

Better spirit of the game enforcement, however, would be nice. Theres a lot to be said though if one guild is able to sway the factional balance so easily.

Gaettusk · November 2014

Wait, I think I know which guild we're talking about. It's the same guild that trash talked their own faction(AD), and then said they'd beat them as EP, right? Yeah, AD can have them back. Kkthx

Rylana · November 2014

I would also add that outside of some guild event situation with a medium to large sized group invading a buff server, we really only have thornblade currently. Its been a pain in the ass to find homes for all of my cross faction toons because of the restriction. I cant even level my DC because id have nowhere to home or guest her once shes out of Blackwater. That toon wouldnt even be able to ever PvP without travel to player.

Grim13 · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Thats a personal principle of mine, and its made clear to everyone I play with that thats not my thing. Not there as a spy or double agent, ever. Im usually on red to kill some yellow jackass that I wanted dead or something.

Whatever faction I am on on a given night is the faction I represent. Freedom from factional ties to PvP as i see fit is all its about.

Whats going on on thornblade I do not condone, however, ESPECIALLY if they are abusing it by farming alts/setting up the other faction to fail at an OPFOR faction farm scenario, troll camping, etc.

Dunno how much of those shenanigans be going on, but those of us that are legit and play for the PvP dont look kindly on any of that either.

I respect that.

Unfortunately, the people I am speaking of don't hold the same values as you or I.

Well then you understand why I dont support removing travel to player, because that catches legitimate PvPers not out to "screw you" so to speak. Well besides gleefully send you back to whatever spawn you came from

Better spirit of the game enforcement, however, would be nice. Theres a lot to be said though if one guild is able to sway the factional balance so easily.

Not really.

The balance between EP and DC is finely poised... and AD is all but out of the running.

All it takes is a push on AD when EP here, and a rally against DC when AD there, to keep DC from overtaking EP.

Ie. cheating.

Malveria · November 2014

Gaettusk wrote: »

Wait, I think I know which guild we're talking about. It's the same guild that trash talked their own faction(AD), and then said they'd beat them as EP, right? Yeah, AD can have them back. Kkthx

I love that they trash-talk AD in EP zone, then expect AD to listen to them. What a joke.

And I honestly doubt that the guild left because of an internal schism. Coming from what I saw in zone, and what I know of the guild, they left because AD was starting to universally dislike their decision-making. Which has really hurt the members of the guild who remained on AD.

However, this is ultimately a demonstration of poor programming and decision making on behalf of Zenimax. They clearly didn't intend for people to use alternate characters on the same campaign, but people have found a workaround. Now, we just have to deal with it. It's one thing if you jump to another side when the campaign resets, but to jump to the winning side just in time to get the win? And probably claiming that they carried EP to a win? Well...

At least we know their true colours now. Pun not intended.

You can keep them.

michaelb14a_ESO2 · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

I am not a member of that group but ive been doing this for months. I play whatever toon I feel like playing, on whatever campaign I feel like playing. (mostly my three AD toons though)

It isnt a crime you know.

There's an obvious difference between playing a toon on a different faction, most likely on a different server,... and being part of a group trying to sway an entire campaigns outcome by hopping back and forth between teams on the same server.

That should be obvious to you, Rylana. The fact that it's not leads me to believe you're playing troll.

You're not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. There's a very good reason for that. unfortunately, it's easy to bypass.

It'd be like a leading sports player jumping to the other team, after his team tied the game, and then started playing against his team... not only that, then switching back and trying to talk some of his original teammates into making decisions that benefitted the other team.

As far as my reading of the Terms of Service is concerned, it is a "crime"... what those players are doing is against the ToS... and the infraction should bring the banhammer.

..but, I'm obviously not wielding the hammer, and ZOS could clearly give two *** about policing PvP.

You also gotta realize I dont care about the score for anyone, just my own score (as in ranks, K/d, AP generation for myself, awesome fights, etc)

I only really play objectives when i know it will generate the above, but I do support whatever the faction I am on at the time is doing.

One day I helped AD escort a scroll, and EP escort a scroll just a few hours later. Was their plan, I was along for the PvP.

Ive been on an AD toon wiping reds at Alessia bridge, and two hours later been on an EP toon wiping yellows off of Alessia farm trying to retake Alessia.

To me the above scenarios are legit gameplay because I neither cheat nor game the system, I play fairly wherever I am.

Said in the post above this one, I dont condone what this specific group is doing, but not every cross faction player is an a-hole like that.

So you acknowledge that your not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. You do it anyways and exploit around ZOS's efforts to gate you from doing so, and then try to separate yourself from others doing the same.

Play separate campaigns. Anything else and your just another exploiter.

Rylana · November 2014

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

I am not a member of that group but ive been doing this for months. I play whatever toon I feel like playing, on whatever campaign I feel like playing. (mostly my three AD toons though)

It isnt a crime you know.

There's an obvious difference between playing a toon on a different faction, most likely on a different server,... and being part of a group trying to sway an entire campaigns outcome by hopping back and forth between teams on the same server.

That should be obvious to you, Rylana. The fact that it's not leads me to believe you're playing troll.

You're not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. There's a very good reason for that. unfortunately, it's easy to bypass.

It'd be like a leading sports player jumping to the other team, after his team tied the game, and then started playing against his team... not only that, then switching back and trying to talk some of his original teammates into making decisions that benefitted the other team.

As far as my reading of the Terms of Service is concerned, it is a "crime"... what those players are doing is against the ToS... and the infraction should bring the banhammer.

..but, I'm obviously not wielding the hammer, and ZOS could clearly give two *** about policing PvP.

You also gotta realize I dont care about the score for anyone, just my own score (as in ranks, K/d, AP generation for myself, awesome fights, etc)

I only really play objectives when i know it will generate the above, but I do support whatever the faction I am on at the time is doing.

One day I helped AD escort a scroll, and EP escort a scroll just a few hours later. Was their plan, I was along for the PvP.

Ive been on an AD toon wiping reds at Alessia bridge, and two hours later been on an EP toon wiping yellows off of Alessia farm trying to retake Alessia.

To me the above scenarios are legit gameplay because I neither cheat nor game the system, I play fairly wherever I am.

Said in the post above this one, I dont condone what this specific group is doing, but not every cross faction player is an a-hole like that.

So you acknowledge that your not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. You do it anyways and exploit around ZOS's efforts to gate you from doing so, and then try to separate yourself from others doing the same.

Play separate campaigns. Anything else and your just another exploiter.

ZOS is clearly attempting to prevent people from doubling up on leaderboards. I dont gain leaderboard position doing what I do. There is a major difference between what I do, and what is being talked about in the OP of this thread.

Due to the buff server situation, there is no pvp on any campaign except thornblade, thus I have little choice but to play all my toons there. I am not able or willing to attempt to solo haderus on my red, or azuras on my blue. My yellows go to Chillrend on occasion only because on yellow side I can actually get a group together to go there. I have very few such ties with other factions as I mostly play those chars solo.

If more people end up on those campaigns and it wasnt a crapshoot, sure, I could figure out a way to get PvP somewhere else, but for now thorn is all my EP toon ever has besides the occasional Haderus push.

Cutting the number of campaigns and concentrating the population into one place is what is really to blame here.

Really spread the populations to all four vet enabled campaigns and youd see a drastic diminishing of almost every issue plaguing pvp currently.

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 · November 2014

Yes it is sad but it will only be a matter of time before skeletons ruin, what is an otherwise fine option for those who play multiple alliance characters "legitimately". What they are doing isn't in the "spirit of the game" and it will only be a matter of time before they ruin it as the players begin submitting feedback and begging for a change. Trust me when I say what they did and are doing is pathetic but this should come as no surprise to us in AD.

Many of them wore out their welcome once more became keenly aware of their feelings towards their own faction and how they monopolized emperor. Last night I stood side-by-side with them, some of whom I once held respect for, as they helped hold Sej from DC and then 10 minutes later I'm fighting against most of the same skeletons as they picked off players following the scroll south. Trust me EP will soon catch on to their pathetic game of Emperor monopolizing. My guess is they want to be the first guild in ESO to monopolize emperors in two alliances. I'm just hopeful Hijinx and Vok and other EP guilds are wise to the skeleton history in this game. That shiny new EP council TS server they have might seem nice but soon they will be barking commands at your group leaders in an effort to manipulate the battlefield to their likings so they can collect ticks and claim multiple keeps for all their cheesy skeleton guilds. Trust me this is no fringe benefit you want for their presence and based on the current score in TB you don't need it

. But rumor has it they think EP is going to win TB this time around because of their presence.

slowassferrariub17_ESO · November 2014

Kaghei · November 2014

People need to get off said guilds back. AD is well over populated. imo ZOS should have offered a free faction change to certain guilds, not making them go through to process of leveling, only then to lose their pvp ranks.

Troll camping will still exist and players will always get blamed, It happens to all 3 factions. if players replaced the camp like they are meant to it would damped the effect of troll camps massively.

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 · November 2014

Kaghei wrote: »

People need to get off said guilds back. AD is well over populated. imo ZOS should have offered a free faction change to certain guilds, not making them go through to process of leveling, only then to lose their pvp ranks.

Troll camping will still exist and players will always get blamed, It happens to all 3 factions. if players replaced the camp like they are meant to it would damped the effect of troll camps massively.

I can agree with this, definitely needs to be an option. And yes FC maintenance is crucial and so many players don't do it and yet they used that same FC to rez at

.

Columba · November 2014

same bunch of losers who impulse monkey spam in every engagement. Yes, we know who they are. DC has a certain player who can no longer posts here, who trash talks DC, goes and plays his EP toons, then comes back and brags about how much AP he's gotten off of DC. Also places troll camps. a real winner.

Ghostbane · November 2014

A faction is not represented by one guild.

Players are entitled to play how they want provided it is within the rules, just as players are entitled to complain about unsportsmanlike fickducks.

Doing something with AD against DC that strategically helps EP, then playing with EP under an hour later.. ..helps population imbalance...

ESO : Play the way you wanna play.

WraithAzraiel · November 2014

slowassferrariub17_ESO wrote: »

In this case the haters have the moral high ground.

Grim13 · November 2014

Kaghei wrote: »

People need to get off said guilds back. AD is well over populated. imo ZOS should have offered a free faction change to certain guilds, not making them go through to process of leveling, only then to lose their pvp ranks.

Troll camping will still exist and players will always get blamed, It happens to all 3 factions. if players replaced the camp like they are meant to it would damped the effect of troll camps massively.

I agree and disagree.

I disagree that people need to get off of their backs... they've earned every ounce of ire drawn.

I agree that their is a definite population imbalance issue... and their rolling EP suits me fine (especially now that they've been such graceless tools about it).

..But:

1) Switch at the end of the campaign
2) Don't switch back and forth repeatedly on the same campaign in an attempt to influence the outcome.
3) Don't mock the faction you've left and tell them you're going to kick their asses next campaign.

Subtomik · November 2014

If this is the same group who would
Purposely try and flip the entire server before the reset it doesn't
Surprise me. These guys care about winning way too much lol

Nala_ · November 2014

same guild that spams troll camps almost every engagement with us, gee no wonder why AD started to dislike them

Cody · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

I am not a member of that group but ive been doing this for months. I play whatever toon I feel like playing, on whatever campaign I feel like playing. (mostly my three AD toons though)

It isnt a crime you know.

.... this excuses crap like this... how?

answer: it does not.

Cody · November 2014

Ghostbane wrote: »

A faction is not represented by one guild.

Players are entitled to play how they want provided it is within the rules, just as players are entitled to complain about unsportsmanlike fickducks.

Doing something with AD against DC that strategically helps EP, then playing with EP under an hour later.. ..helps population imbalance...

ESO : Play the way you wanna play.

so you accept this kind of lame gameplay?

Malveria · November 2014

I hold nothing against faction swapping or changing campaigns. I advocated for a paid faction change so my guild could jump to the losing side. It helps combat the population imbalance and frankly we want the fight.

But commit to the act. Throw in your loyalty for the entire campaign, win or lose. Don't just jump to whoever is winning, and talk *** about the faction you came from, then return to that faction to get what you want.

Joy_Division · November 2014

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

So you acknowledge that your not supposed to be able to have an opposing faction alt on the same campaign as another of your characters. You do it anyways and exploit around ZOS's efforts to gate you from doing so, and then try to separate yourself from others doing the same.

Play separate campaigns. Anything else and your just another exploiter.

- Nobody at Zenimax says what you claim is "supposed" to happen. That is your opinion. Stop treating it as a fact or a rule of the game.

- There is no "exploit" to have an alt on the same campaign. Brian Wheeler has repeatedly said the jump-to-player option in Cyrodiil exists for people to play with their friends that otherwise would not be able to.

- If someone at Zenimax has said it was against the spirit of game to have alts playing in a different alliance, please provide it.

- There is only one campaign in the NA server with action. We can't play in separate campaigns.

Columba · November 2014

^^ Ethical wasteland.

Ghostbane · November 2014

Cody wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

A faction is not represented by one guild.

Players are entitled to play how they want provided it is within the rules, just as players are entitled to complain about unsportsmanlike fickducks.

Doing something with AD against DC that strategically helps EP, then playing with EP under an hour later.. ..helps population imbalance...

ESO : Play the way you wanna play.

so you accept this kind of lame gameplay?

Well, its not breaking any rules. Unsportmans like? Yes. All I'm saying is don't label your selfish actions for the greater good.