Blackthorn51 wrote: »

It's pretty discouraging to say the least. I am one of the raid leaders of the only active Haderus EP guild (M4D/Immortali). We've been at it there for a few months now but we've long since resigned to the fact that nothing we capture will remain red throughout the night. Sometimes our small crew (Usually consisting of 1 partially full raid group) can hold a resource, a keep or even a few keeps for the better part of the day but every night it's the same thing. AD goes up to 2 bars population and runs us over with 10x our number and nothing but Shield Stacking, Impulse + Bat Spamming and an absolute hard on for anything red on the map.

You ask why we farm and dont take inner ring? That is why. We can usually hold our own for a good while before some of our guys log out to go to bed. If AD didn't already steam roll us with superior numbers (+ all the buffs) before hand, then they just PVDoor the keeps back while we're sleeping.

Honestly most of us don't even log in any more. I myself am waiting until update 5 rolls out. If Update 5 does not fix the population disparity and buff server problems then quite frankly I am done with ESO all together. My sub runs out 2 days after 5 is supposedly being implemented. I imagine I will not be resubbing but I am trying my hardest to stay positive. I imagine much of our crew feels similar about this.

I will say this though. Even though we are always heavily outnumbered - when I examine my Kill Counter every AD (Bar a select few) are listed as 'On Farm' with over 100-200 kills and almost as many killing blows. One thing I can say for sure is that Haderus teaches you to learn your character and learn how to best work with your team. Unless your AD. Then it teaches you how to die over and over again then call for help because your entire server population can't push a single raid out of 1 resource without having 2 bars pop to our 21 guys.

I saw a group of 30 coordinated EP farming a group of 30 AD pugs at the KC mine last night. I only picked off some people here and there to maintain my top 2% Status and logged. PvP on Haderus has been boring since the EP that would come crown your group stopped coming, maybe you guys should have let a few of them get Emp, they might have been encouraged to stay and help. As it stands your group does nothing but sit behind gates or turtling a resource all day and attack undefended keeps. I can't really blame you guys buy farming AP all day every day but it gets old. That's the chief reason I'm not a legate right now, I can't stand just mindlessly killing people who have no chance day in day out. I've got to be challenged.

I'm still waiting to see this "10 x" your number of AD. At most it is 1.5-2 times your number when we take keeps. The number of AD never jumps to 2 bars unless you guys stealth cap a home keep or scroll. Your numbers have been steadily growing day by day while the number of active AD continues to dwindle.

My own subscription ends a few days after 1.5 as well. I think we're going to see a mass exodus very shortly as that is when the majority of 6 month subscription players lapse. I can't say I'm planning on resubscribing from what I've seen so far but maybe if I get bored I'll come back at some point.

Galalin wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

milthalas wrote: »

I don't even know if there are any AD guilds on Haderus. I know that I am not in any and have basically had to learn through experiencing many failures. I feel that a lot of the players in our alliance are doing the same thing and it's sink or swim and many are still sinking. I've gone through a variety of builds and two skill respecs and I feel like I'm getting better but it is a slow process.

But there just doesn't seem to be any leadership on Had. I try to follow the lead of the more experienced people there, but it feels insufficient. When I see people repeatedly zone chatting "LFG" I eventually start inviting them and end up with a decent sized pug. They still don't all follow directions or anything, but yesterday I feel my 10-12 man pug did a pretty good job helping retake Alessia when the scroll was taken.

I also spent a ton on repairing keeps yesterday. I feel like I should start my own PVP guild, maybe call it Squat Team Alpha or The Free Masons.

I do have some perspective though. Yesterday evening I spent some time on my guest campaign Chillrend and got invited into a group that, well, a picture is worth 1000 words:



Mind you, this is not the only time they were dancing naked. Then when the siege actually began they were fighting naked. THEY HAD TO BE TOLD TO PUT CLOTHES ON FOR THE KEEP DEFENSE. Is that the mindset you end up with when you play on another alliance's buff server? It was all very strange. Then Rylana and friends rode in and made us all look like chumps by farming blues for awhile while vastly outnumbered.

So we may not have vocal leadership on Haderus, but mostly I still have fun even though there are some annoyances here and there. I'll take the occasional lemming crew over people dancing naked on keep walls. But we absolutely need to work on tactics.

And I agree gate camping is lame.

Practice practice practice... trying to take fights you know you will lose... being out numbered, ppl you know are very solid players and keep at it... the only way to get better is challenging yourself. It will pay off in the end

Your local DK scrub

^ This

Lol fluffy everytime i see your name i have to laugh... idk what it is about it.

Fluffy is someone who could prob give ya some good PvP tips milthalas

My tips, for it, I will need your SSN, IRL name, Bank Account #s, and Date of Birth. They are l33t tips.

I don't blame you guys for the mentality, most of it's true. And as far as the Impulse - Bat Spamming goes... I rarely see it on Haderus... No. No. I NEVER see it on Haderus unless the Blueberries come out to play, I'm near Pixy, or I'm doing it myself. When EP and AD fight, depending on whos doing what, EP will either single target focus AD down. Or set up hot tubs that AD PuGs mindlessly run into, and if AD is defending then we just... Well *** I dunno, I don't pay attention to what we do

Still, I salute the EP who have stayed thus far and same goes with the AD. I like all of you guys, it's why I stayed to begin with. Even if I still have something like fifty deaths by soul assault, and half of that is all from Tyago But that doesn't mean I get discouraged, and when I do.. I just go roflstomp newbs on Backwater. But that's not the point.... This post was more giving cudos to good, organized teamwork. Apart from the 2-3 groups AD has that are organized vs. the eighty trillion Puggles.

"WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Last night at KC LM we would let AD grow a pair and try pushing the flag then we'd ball up and rush them until only one person was left standing (conveniently by BE whenever shields dropped). It was funny as hell, and somehow we get tells accusing of us zerging. Honestly I think we were evenly matched, we just had more skilled players and better tactics.

Do you hear yourself?

"We'd ball up and rush them until only one left standing"

- Damn, what's that word... The one that describes balling up stacks of players to exploit the AOE cap to not take damage and spam their own AOE...

"and somehow we get tells accusing us of zerging"

-THATS IT! Zerg balling! Wait, why are you surprised by the accusation?

"honestly I think we were evenly matched"

-further proof that Zerg balling was your response. It was the only way you could win.

"we just had more skilled players and tactics"

- Is this seriously what you Zerg balling, bat swarming, one trick ponies think? That it takes SKILL to do that???

You need to take a long hard look in the mirror my friend, you're the very thing you "claim" to hate. You have some serious cognitive dissonance going on here.

...but keep telling yourself you're a skilled and tactical player.... Lol

Galalin wrote: »

Can you feel the love tonight?

Group hug!

It takes all kinds of players and skill sets to make for great PvP. For some its killing a known player to gain a sense of accomplishment. For others its killing several at a time. And some just contributing to the faction goal... whatever the case we all have our places in PvP.

I get that sometimes ppl get frustrated but here is something i live by and has helped me over the years.

If you are arguing with someone and you start yelling and showing frustration.... right or wrong you just lost that argument.


I may not be the best player in the game or even a good player. But fyi i along with many other ppl dont play solely to gloat that we are.

I may be a scrub but i bet im having more fun than those of you sitting around calling ppl bad all day long.




Your local DK scrub out

The person he was quoting has been the biggest "Bad apple" out of your whole group. He's been bragging on these forums for months (the amusing thing is his bragging is the reason I switched over to Haderus full time) and any time he loses it is because of exploiting or "zergs". He wildly exaggerates almost everything and doesn't really fix with the rest of the example of your group who have been generally modest an respectful.

I'm surprised he can still get a rise out of anyone at this point. He's like the Iraqi Information Minister of ESO.

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

"WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Last night at KC LM we would let AD grow a pair and try pushing the flag then we'd ball up and rush them until only one person was left standing (conveniently by BE whenever shields dropped). It was funny as hell, and somehow we get tells accusing of us zerging. Honestly I think we were evenly matched, we just had more skilled players and better tactics.

Do you hear yourself?

"We'd ball up and rush them until only one left standing"

- Damn, what's that word... The one that describes balling up stacks of players to exploit the AOE cap to not take damage and spam their own AOE...

"and somehow we get tells accusing us of zerging"

-THATS IT! Zerg balling! Wait, why are you surprised by the accusation?

"honestly I think we were evenly matched"

-further proof that Zerg balling was your response. It was the only way you could win.

"we just had more skilled players and tactics"

- Is this seriously what you Zerg balling, bat swarming, one trick ponies think? That it takes SKILL to do that???

You need to take a long hard look in the mirror my friend, you're the very thing you "claim" to hate. You have some serious cognitive dissonance going on here.

...but keep telling yourself you're a skilled and tactical player.... Lol

Well something flew over the cuckoo's nest here.

For starters did you even participate in the KC LM meatgrinder? I'd hardly classify our EP core as a zergball. Zergballs commonly involve cookiecutter builds among all classes. We got a smattering of different builds. We got NB's that zoom in with 2hs, we got DK brick ***houses (I'm certain Tex traumatized that poor lvl 23 when he dragonleaped him) We got sorcs that heal and temps that own face. I think maybe 3-4 run destro staff either because they actually use it or as a gag. We have one or two 'anti-bolters' and other oddball builds. If there's batswarms it's because everyone and their literal mom is a vamp except for maybe a few people.

Saying there's no batmonkeys on Had indicates you don't participate in alot of the fights there. I'd name names but that's disallowed, but there's 5+ in particular plus the current Emp whose presence has become increasingly irritating since we started trying to make legitimate pvp here and not this buff server malarkey. For all the flame Zeni gets, alot of problems going on aren't necessarily Zeni's fault. It's in human nature to be greedy and exploitative and in the case of nerd humans they exploit the *** out of whatever they can.

I think we actually got a tell from one of AD's native core that they themselves don't like the situation. It's not for lack of trying, and I noticed DC been trying to start things too, but when the response to anything turning any color other than yellow is "OMAGERDMAHBUFFS!" you're shooting yourself in the foot tbh.

Demanding that Zeni make better servers to handle 1000 people on at the same time in the same spot is like asking for world peace. It's unrealistic, certainly in our lifetime. If guilds would take it upon themselves to make a difference it'd ease alot of tension, but unfortunately too many go with the crowd.

I love this game to hell for all its brokenassed pvp mechanics and buggery, but being a 10 year WoW vet, I'm immensely liking this more. I've never been one for fps or 'space mmos'. My first ever game was this like 30 year old iso fantasy RPG and I passed the 2k hours logged mark in Skyrim before ESO launched. ESo sings to me and I enjoy it when it works. If Zeni irons out the kinks I may very well play it another 10 years and I'd hope others do the same. 3 months since Haderus launched I've come to know most of the EP core, as well as the enemy. PVP would be far better served being treated as a nerd picnic than a numbers crunch.

PvP on Haderus has been boring since the EP that would come crown your group stopped coming, maybe you guys should have let a few of them get Emp, they might have been encouraged to stay and help.

We might've been inclined if those players had legitimately worked for their points. However we observed at length how the two higher ranking ones in particular tended to AFK leech, and one guy would use siege to charge ult then run into the enemy with batswarm, kill a bunch, then sit back on his laurels until the D ticks rolled. The reason most of EP's consistent players are in the top 10 is because they are very active in siege, they are constantly on the move ganking or intercepting, they support the group, they lay camps, they rez players, they repair walls, they snipe enemy camps and siege.

When you try to leech points without contributing more than a token effort to the group, you do not have EP support. It certainly didn't endear them to us when we found out that they were feeding info to the enemy. We observed multiple times how we would target a keep to siege and plan to do a silent snatch only to find oh lo and behold 20 AD already waiting there. Before the keep was lit. Before we even arrived.

"WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

I'd hardly classify our EP core as a zergball. Zergballs commonly involve cookiecutter builds among all classes. We got a smattering of different builds. We got NB's that zoom in with 2hs, we got DK brick ***houses (I'm certain Tex traumatized that poor lvl 23 when he dragonleaped him) We got sorcs that heal and temps that own face. I think maybe 3-4 run destro staff either because they actually use it or as a gag. We have one or two 'anti-bolters' and other oddball builds.

Oh god, just stop. Zergballing is a tactic that you damn well know has nothing to do with your supposed builds. What? You think b/c you have stupid names for your crew like "brick houses" and "Anti-bolters" somehow your not using cheesy zerg tactics that require ZERO SKILL?

"WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

If there's batswarms it's because everyone and their literal mom is a vamp except for maybe a few people.

So your also a batswarming zergball. How... predictable.

"WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Saying there's no batmonkeys on Had indicates you don't participate in alot of the fights there.

Ummm, no I never ever said that, you made that up. What I'm ACTUALLY saying, is that your little club there is one of them.

Your a hypocrite. Your not the solution, your part of the problem. All of your posts read like you are trying to put the best possible shine possible on the turd that is your PVP "play style".

I apologize Panda244, we tried to take the inner ring yesterday afternoon, but just way to many AD. We were able to take BRK and Chalman; actually holding both for quite some time! We had quite an epic battle at Arrius Keep, where AD was on the first flag and we pushed them out, sealed up the inner wall, then sealed up the outer. At the end of that battle we got a 23k defense tick; proved we could overcome the substantial AD population. Sadly, we lost Arrius later that night when our numbers dropped off.

To be very honest, I don't see why we should dethrone Pixysticks anytime soon, just because #2 on the list would be more of a pain to deal with on a regular basis. Pixy's play style is very easily countered and only a real threat to vampires and in close quarters. It was the same with Ezareth, as long as you didn't chase, he never did anything. By dethroning Pixy we run the risk of getting another Sura, which is no fun.

Random question; I kind of like Pixy because he plays on Haderus, same with Ezareth. Why do a lot of Emperors on buff servers get crowned and then never show up, but go to Thornblade where they get no buffs? Isn't the point of Emperor to be very powerful for a short period of time? Own people, brag on the forums, post a video, etc.

By the way, Pixy, looking for your video, do you have an ETA on its release date? I really enjoyed Ezareth's video, watched it twice already! More videos!

Okay....wow.....I rarely feel the need to rise against people but this one person is just...the scope of their arrogance makes other AD look like saints....

I do not play on Thornblade. Why would I when I've such a diverse friend base on Haderus? The only lag I've seen in recent date was when half the raid on both factions crashed during the KC meatgrinder. (we actually accused AD of causing it but because they ended up dying it didn't make sense that they'd have done it deliberately).

Apparently my use of 'balling up' assumes the connotation of zergball. Most of the time when I use it I use it in the term of getting the nerve to do something, like taking lead, or plunging into the enemy's ranks. Our EP group can't at all be classified as a zergball. We move as a military unit led by a commander and once we engage the enemy we seek out targets and usually pursue them individually. Voicechat is usually full of members calling out trophy kills since most of our strength comes from that we are individually strong players acting as a group. Most AD zergballs I seen involve pulsemonkeys coming in to the flag, annihilating the guards, and basically resisting almost every attempt to dislodge them like the tick they are. Contrary to belief the solution to another zergball isn't another zergball, it's spreading out and focusing down batmonkeys. I don't observe AD zergballs unless it's executed by the visiting/resident batmonkeys.

Just to clarify-as a statement of fact not shame- these people include Pixy, Kaghei, Bogz, Nymeroz, Fireshot, and occasionally WRX (though I think someone said he refused to come to Had to 'help' anymore because the natives 'allow themselves to be farmed' so I don't see him as much anymore.) Rowsdowerr is another one, but him I recognize from season 1 Vol. Shoot getting to be a regular reunion here. Next thing I know I'll be seeing Taran and MT. If only Nee and Shesha would come back...