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No crit in PvP?
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I've heard rumors that it's impossible to crit in PvP... is this true?
If so, I was wondering, how am I then to heal on my melee sorc? Is there something I am missing?
If so, I was wondering, how am I then to heal on my melee sorc? Is there something I am missing?
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭its a trait called impenetrable.
stealth crits still count no matter what(I think anyway)3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is not that it is impossible to crit, it is just that so many people have maxed then impenetrate trait that it is very hard to get a crit to land.3 -
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no its not. just really hard.
I think ZOS mentioned they may be changing it.
idk though. I always begin a battle with a stealth jump(followed by being killed by block and spam:D) so I don't really notice the difficulty much2 -
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I don't use min/max builds, but I think it is easier to max out impenetrate then it is for crit. So crit is the lesser of available options.
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I don't use min/max builds, but I think it is easier to max out impenetrate then it is for crit. So crit is the lesser of available options.
That makes sense, but is there then some other way to heal than surge? (I don't run resto)0 -
Sleep✭✭✭✭Stealth attacks crit. Critical Charge crits. Maybe some other skills can ensure or easily crit too. Other than those attacks you can forget about critical hits. Unless one day people don't use Impenetrable any more.1 -
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I don't use min/max builds, but I think it is easier to max out impenetrate then it is for crit. So crit is the lesser of available options.
That makes sense, but is there then some other way to heal than surge? (I don't run resto)
Rally on 2H will heal more viably in 1.5. It heals now, but only after 20 seconds or something like that.If she doesn't know the pain of cliffracers, she's too young for you.1 -
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I don't use min/max builds, but I think it is easier to max out impenetrate then it is for crit. So crit is the lesser of available options.
That makes sense, but is there then some other way to heal than surge? (I don't run resto)
Rally on 2H will heal more viably in 1.5. It heals now, but only after 20 seconds or something like that.
Thanks, will look into that - and cool sig
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demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Ok not THAT many players max out impen gear, or even wear any of it. Most i've encountered are wearing dropped set gear, or gear from trials which almost none of those have impen on them.
I throw a caltrops into a sieging crowd and watch the crits fly on my screen, and I'm only at 9% weapon crit.Edited by demonlkojipub19_ESO on October 29, 2014 12:08AM3 -
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I don't use min/max builds, but I think it is easier to max out impenetrate then it is for crit. So crit is the lesser of available options.
That makes sense, but is there then some other way to heal than surge? (I don't run resto)
Rally on 2H will heal more viably in 1.5. It heals now, but only after 20 seconds or something like that.
Thanks, will look into that - and cool sig
Haha thanks! You are the first person to say anything about it.
I should also mention that Rally is the morph of Momentum, just to be technically correct.
Also, it isn't a heal, but I use the Brawler morph of Cleave. It adds a nice damage shield in big mobs. I wish the bleed damage was better, but I can always dream.If she doesn't know the pain of cliffracers, she's too young for you.0 -
smacx250✭✭✭✭✭You can always attack us PvE'ers in Cyrodiil who don't bother to maintain an alternate armor set (impen is mostly a waste for PvE).
Also, in my opinion the crit chance system is broken (e.g., a 50% crit mitigator against a 50% crit chance doesn't give a 0% crit chance - it gives 25% crit chance). Maybe someone at ZOS will figure that out too, and fix it (and some other equally or more broken "statistical" issues in the game).1 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭You can always attack us PvE'ers in Cyrodiil who don't bother to maintain an alternate armor set (impen is mostly a waste for PvE).
Also, in my opinion the crit chance system is broken (e.g., a 50% crit mitigator against a 50% crit chance doesn't give a 0% crit chance - it gives 25% crit chance). Maybe someone at ZOS will figure that out too, and fix it (and some other equally or more broken "statistical" issues in the game).
Nah I don't think thats the case. I do run full impen in cyrodil never get crit hit, except by stealth hits of course. not enough people have their crit chance above 60%.0 -
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Sorry - I was unclear in my wording of the example. I explained how I think it "should" be, not how it works in ESO. 50% crit mitigation against a 50% crit chance results in an overall 0% crit in ESO. However, statistically it typically makes more sense for it to be an overall 25% chance. But it is their game and they can imagine any kind of statistics at work that they please - even if it results in imbalances, and in some cases, "nonsense". I think there is room for improvement in the statistics in the game.demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »You can always attack us PvE'ers in Cyrodiil who don't bother to maintain an alternate armor set (impen is mostly a waste for PvE).
Also, in my opinion the crit chance system is broken (e.g., a 50% crit mitigator against a 50% crit chance doesn't give a 0% crit chance - it gives 25% crit chance). Maybe someone at ZOS will figure that out too, and fix it (and some other equally or more broken "statistical" issues in the game).
Nah I don't think thats the case. I do run full impen in cyrodil never get crit hit, except by stealth hits of course. not enough people have their crit chance above 60%.0 -
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I don't use min/max builds, but I think it is easier to max out impenetrate then it is for crit. So crit is the lesser of available options.
That makes sense, but is there then some other way to heal than surge? (I don't run resto)
Rally on 2H will heal more viably in 1.5. It heals now, but only after 20 seconds or something like that.
.... after 20 seconds.... are you serious???
ZOS..... just.... no....
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✭✭They did... it is awesome... In pts it heals me for about 100 a tick, it can crit 161. After 20 sec it healed me for about 1200... Though activating it again at any moment will grant you a heal the longer it's been ticking on you the better the heal.Caius
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I don't use min/max builds, but I think it is easier to max out impenetrate then it is for crit. So crit is the lesser of available options.
That makes sense, but is there then some other way to heal than surge? (I don't run resto)
Rally on 2H will heal more viably in 1.5. It heals now, but only after 20 seconds or something like that.
.... after 20 seconds.... are you serious???
ZOS..... just.... no....
FIX IT
Hes saying thats how it works now, in 1.4. In 1.5 it will heal a bit every 2 seconds, the end heal of rally is like 2x better and you can get a varied strength instant heal by reactivating the skill any time during the duration, and the base skill lasts 33 seconds at rank 4.
Momentum got the best "baby step" in the entire weapon line.Edited by demonlkojipub19_ESO on October 29, 2014 9:22PM0 -
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No the impen trait is ***. Anyone can stack impen to the point where u cant crit them unless its behind them from stealth. You can not stack crit to the point where it overcomes impen. On that note impen needs to be changed to reduce crit damage and cap it at a %. That would make crit builds still viable. I know that the trolls are going to rage at this but deep down its just their fear of crit based nightblades becoming a threat. lolD'ecado V12 Nightblade
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✭decado0024_ESO wrote: »
No the impen trait is ***. Anyone can stack impen to the point where u cant crit them unless its behind them from stealth. You can not stack crit to the point where it overcomes impen. On that note impen needs to be changed to reduce crit damage and cap it at a %. That would make crit builds still viable. I know that the trolls are going to rage at this but deep down its just their fear of crit based nightblades becoming a threat. lol
I'm more worried about 1.5k insta-cast CF crits and 6k Soul assaults
I don't think I would enjoy PvP at all if spell powered capped sorcerers had a 70%+ chance to crit on me lol.
We need some sort of tools to softened down the crit dmg, or PvP would suck. But I do agree that the impen design is worthless. Doesn't help against auto crits, also makes crit builds worthless. Reducing critical dmg taken, would obviously be preferred. That's how that specific armor bonus works in most online games.
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✭✭✭✭✭decado0024_ESO wrote: »
No the impen trait is ***. Anyone can stack impen to the point where u cant crit them unless its behind them from stealth. You can not stack crit to the point where it overcomes impen. On that note impen needs to be changed to reduce crit damage and cap it at a %. That would make crit builds still viable. I know that the trolls are going to rage at this but deep down its just their fear of crit based nightblades becoming a threat. lol
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✭✭✭demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »
I don't use min/max builds, but I think it is easier to max out impenetrate then it is for crit. So crit is the lesser of available options.
That makes sense, but is there then some other way to heal than surge? (I don't run resto)
Rally on 2H will heal more viably in 1.5. It heals now, but only after 20 seconds or something like that.
.... after 20 seconds.... are you serious???
ZOS..... just.... no....
FIX IT
Hes saying thats how it works now, in 1.4. In 1.5 it will heal a bit every 2 seconds, the end heal of rally is like 2x better and you can get a varied strength instant heal by reactivating the skill any time during the duration, and the base skill lasts 33 seconds at rank 4.
Momentum got the best "baby step" in the entire weapon line.
ok.
was worried for a minute.0 -
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✭✭It is definitely true that a large portion of people do not have maxed Impen. Not everyone takes all their gear to legendary and many people only take Impen on 3-4 pieces of gear. A build with 50-60% crit will see a fair amount of them. Use crit pots and you will see a lot. The problem is there are people out there, either solo, small group, and sometimes entire guilds that run 70-80% impenetrable, making basically all of the set bonuses and itemization (much more useful than armor trait) you used towards critical to go to waste outside of critical charge and shadow disguise.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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