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MORE MATURE CONTENT PLEASE
GreyBrow
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Rated M for 18+
2x VR14, Have yet to encounter anything I wouldn't let an 8 year old see. Vulgarity is ban-able, no blood anywhere to be seen, even though it's a game centered around KILLING and STEALING, although we've yet to see you deliver that last part.
So why the enforced "morality"?
Seriously... What's up Zeni?
2x VR14, Have yet to encounter anything I wouldn't let an 8 year old see. Vulgarity is ban-able, no blood anywhere to be seen, even though it's a game centered around KILLING and STEALING, although we've yet to see you deliver that last part.
So why the enforced "morality"?
Seriously... What's up Zeni?
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭we havent seen everything yet. still is more to be loaded, like db, and tg, and cs.1 -
ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There actually is blood. If you go into fist person mode and look very closely when stabbing at an enemy you can kind of sort of see a quick little blood splatter come out for almost half a second....kind of.
The pant less nord is probably how this game got a mature rating.9 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You know what we needed? A duplicate thread on this issue.
Also, you're confused about what the word "mature" means.----
Murray?13 -
GreyBrow✭✭✭✭Undaunted having beer... Mature... I guess? 14 year olds have beers in both the US and Europe. Hardly worthy of an M rating.
In a real medieval era town being plagued by the forces of a demonic overload, the populace would be in the throes of drunken debauchery, partying in the streets, puking in the bushes, running naked with reckless abandon to the nearest you-know-what-house.
Bodies hit with catapults? Exploded. Yeah... All over the ground.
Arrow in the knee? You'd be screaming every profanity in the book, and likely inventing new ones as you go.
My observations? Goodie goodie Kiddie game made by goodie goodie kiddies for goodie goodie kiddies who are afraid mom will find out they snuck half a beer and are playing a game with a curse word15 -
bellanca6561n✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why in blazes do people associate blood and violence with maturity is beyond me.
An example of mature content? Try the Brothers of Strife quest chain for the pact. A mark of maturity is moral ambiguity not boobs or gore.
This quest chain turns the whole "Desperate times require desperate measures" nonsense on its ear. I've never trusted that phrase. Nor did the authors here. The statement always assumes an unimaginably terrible alternative if the desperate measures are not employed. Well, I think it was Stephen King's line in Pet Cemetery, "Sometimes death is better."
To provide a less black and white sense of the brothers Balreth and Sadal we have that little time travel quest. Pity that, although we are going back to when the Dunmer were Chimer, they did not create Chimer for the occasion except for Sadal who appears light skinned with normal eyes. But that's a quibble.
The point is not only do we tend to let the demands of the moment override our better judgement, but we can do this, regret it, and still fail to learn from it. Sad fact is, most folks....never learn. We don't overcome our flaws. If we're smart the best we can hope for is becoming better at working around them. Odd that a computer game delivers that theme so well.
Hence Tanval Indoril - the villain who is not evil, he's even villainous. Yet terrible things result when he relies on his emotions. Dark Elves are Vulcans you know.
The ending is pitch perfect. You feel what Holgunn feels as Walks-In-Ash says, in a hoarse voice that really nails it, "Let's get out of here." She survives but it will be her last mission too.
Edited by bellanca6561n on October 28, 2014 1:02PM23 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Undaunted having beer... Mature... I guess? 14 year olds have beers in both the US and Europe. Hardly worthy of an M rating.
In a real medieval era town being plagued by the forces of a demonic overload, the populace would be in the throes of drunken debauchery, partying in the streets, puking in the bushes, running naked with reckless abandon to the nearest you-know-what-house.
Bodies hit with catapults? Exploded. Yeah... All over the ground.
Arrow in the knee? You'd be screaming every profanity in the book, and likely inventing new ones as you go.
My observations? Goodie goodie Kiddie game made by goodie goodie kiddies for goodie goodie kiddies who are afraid mom will find out they snuck half a beer and are playing a game with a curse word
So go complain to the ESRB about the standards for their ratings.
Contrary to popular belief, lots of blood is not actually mature. Neither is referring to people as "kiddies" if they don't see the need for excessive blood and gore in a game that isn't based around it.----
Murray?11 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Best youll see is me doing pushups on an aldmeri's corpse.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mature != good. I want good content. Whether it does or doesn't have gore or mature themes is irrelevant. I realize some don't feel like they have their big boy pants on unless they play games with mature themes, but I really don't care.4 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rated M for 18+
2x VR14, Have yet to encounter anything I wouldn't let an 8 year old see. Vulgarity is ban-able, no blood anywhere to be seen, even though it's a game centered around KILLING and STEALING, although we've yet to see you deliver that last part.
So why the enforced "morality"?
Seriously... What's up Zeni?
Vulgarity usualy leads to people abusing other players, so I have no problem with it being banned, especially when you read some of the more...um... idiotic comments in general chat. I have no problem with a mature conversation, but that's not what happens.
As for more blood and gore, I can live quite happily without it thank you. Not sure why people automatically assume everyone wants to see it, or that saying you don't want it makes you weak. I have on several occasions seen real life gore, and don't particularly find it amusing.
Now as @Nerevarine1138 said that isn't what mature means, not by a long shot.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭More mature content is always good!
Now that depends on what you mean by mature content.
If you mean stff like romance (like in ME2 and ME3), then I would agree.
If you mean making choices that have a real effect on the game, then I agree (it would be impossible in a MMO but it's a nice idea).
If you mean difficult moral choices were the easy option is punished and the difficult option is rewarded, I can agree there too.
But if you mean blood and guts, swearing for no reason (I have no problem with swearing for a reason btw), or any other childish garbage that gets labelled as mature, then no thanks.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule9 -
ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »More mature content is always good!
Now that depends on what you mean by mature content.
If you mean stff like romance (like in ME2 and ME3), then I would agree.
If you mean making choices that have a real effect on the game, then I agree (it would be impossible in a MMO but it's a nice idea).
If you mean difficult moral choices were the easy option is punished and the difficult option is rewarded, I can agree there too.
But if you mean blood and guts, swearing for no reason (I have no problem with swearing for a reason btw), or any other childish garbage that gets labelled as mature, then no thanks.
He means getting up to get stuck in traffic to go to a menial job where no one respects him, works 10 hour days without so much as a thank you, getting stuck in traffic on the way home, only to have his wife complain that he's a lazy poor excuse for a man and she should have married the other guy from high school, while the kids are screaming, having to fix things around the house even though he has no idea how to fix them, drinking warm beer, having to um do things to himself because they wife always has a headache, and spending all his money to pay bills. Now that's mature content. Update 1.7 time to pay taxes.28 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »More mature content is always good!
Now that depends on what you mean by mature content.
If you mean stff like romance (like in ME2 and ME3), then I would agree.
If you mean making choices that have a real effect on the game, then I agree (it would be impossible in a MMO but it's a nice idea).
If you mean difficult moral choices were the easy option is punished and the difficult option is rewarded, I can agree there too.
But if you mean blood and guts, swearing for no reason (I have no problem with swearing for a reason btw), or any other childish garbage that gets labelled as mature, then no thanks.
He means getting up to get stuck in traffic to go to a menial job where no one respects him, works 10 hour days without so much as a thank you, getting stuck in traffic on the way home, only to have his wife complain that he's a lazy poor excuse for a man and she should have married the other guy from high school, while the kids are screaming, having to fix things around the house even though he has no idea how to fix them, drinking warm beer, having to um do things to himself because they wife always has a headache, and spending all his money to pay bills. Now that's mature content. Update 1.7 time to pay taxes.
Yeah...... Isn't that why people play MMOs, to get away from that.
Although if we could use our in game purchases as tax rebates....People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule5 -
Loneshard✭✭✭Edited by Loneshard on October 28, 2014 2:35PM1 -
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Yeah, I miss the romance options. I blew my chance with Miranda the first time, thank god for the replay.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule1 -
kimboh✭✭✭✭My guess is that anything involving skooma or moon sugar would be considered a drug reference, hence a mandatory mature rating.Status: offline<l Cygnus X|VR14|Sorc l><| Romulus Prime|VR12|Temp |><| Qwoptus |lvl30|DK|><| DC|EU |>0 -
PSLAnimal✭✭✭✭
You keep using that meme. I don't think you know what the actual quote is.Animal (Ask me what the PSL stands for. Go on. Ask.)
@PSLAnimal on the NA Megaserver
Making people wonder just what the hell is wrong with me since 1961.4 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Anybody remember those TES games where you could find a prostitute every 10 paces?ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)6 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
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there was a red light allways on in the "House of Earthly Delights" in suran in morrowind.Anybody remember those TES games where you could find a prostitute every 10 paces?
allways was naked women dancing on stage also
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Desele's_House_of_Earthly_Delights
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kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rated M for 18+
Have yet to encounter anything I wouldn't let an 8 year old see.
So you are okay with exposing an 8 year old to:
1. Homosexuality (not saying that's wrong, just as a parent myself it's just a concept an 8 year old would have issues in fully understanding)
2. Murder
3. Stealing
4. R@pe
5. Torture
All of those things and many more are covered in the game, most of the quest lines, when you actually read them instead of just click through them, have what is deemed as adult content.
Everyone has a different parenting style and for the most part, our Moral compasses are 'tuned' differently, but to say that the content is suitable for an 8 year old? Wow... r@pe and torture isn't something that I'd want to mold a young an impressionable mind with.
I'd like my children to have more experience, wizdom and you guessed it... Maturity before grappling such concepts as those above.
Edited by kijima on October 29, 2014 2:49AMBeen here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...6 -
GreyBrow✭✭✭✭Well, you can just have your kids grow up in some sheltered fantasy land where bad things don't happen. Do you let your kids watch the news? All of those things are on the 5 o'clock news EVERY DAY.
Bad parenting isn't what your kid is exposed to, It's how you guide them through that exposure and help them to develop an understanding of the world around them. It's giving them the tools to independently form their own independent belief system under your guidance, so that when they do go out into the world and see those things, they're prepared to handle them. Better to guide them through a virtual world where you can prepare and talk to hem about it than try to deal with it in real time.
Sheltering your kids or spoon feeding them your own moral compass and assuming they'll figure it out on their own once they hit 18 is the biggest way to fail as a parent.11 -
firstdecan✭✭✭✭✭
✭Undaunted having beer... Mature... I guess? 14 year olds have beers in both the US and Europe. Hardly worthy of an M rating.
In a real medieval era town being plagued by the forces of a demonic overload, the populace would be in the throes of drunken debauchery, partying in the streets, puking in the bushes, running naked with reckless abandon to the nearest you-know-what-house.
Bodies hit with catapults? Exploded. Yeah... All over the ground.
Arrow in the knee? You'd be screaming every profanity in the book, and likely inventing new ones as you go.
My observations? Goodie goodie Kiddie game made by goodie goodie kiddies for goodie goodie kiddies who are afraid mom will find out they snuck half a beer and are playing a game with a curse word
You obviously missed Windhelm in Eastmarch.6 -
GreyBrow✭✭✭✭Bottom line; if you shelter your kids waiting around for them to develop "wisdom", they never will, and when they're faced with their first real world crisis, and finally learn that the world isn't some sheltered shrub gated community where everyone is nice and polite and the worst thing that happens is they drop an ice cream cone, it will be devastating.Edited by GreyBrow on October 29, 2014 12:09AM5
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✭✭✭✭✭I've said it before and I'll say it again... It's rated M, give us rated M content. 100% agree.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
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kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, you can just have your kids grow up in some sheltered fantasy land where bad things don't happen. Do you let your kids watch the news? All of those things are on the 5 o'clock news EVERY DAY.
Bad parenting isn't what your kid is exposed to, It's how you guide them through that exposure and help them to develop an understanding of the world around them. It's giving them the tools to independently form their own independent belief system under your guidance, so that when they do go out into the world and see those things, they're prepared to handle them. Better to guide them through a virtual world where you can prepare and talk to hem about it than try to deal with it in real time.
Sheltering your kids or spoon feeding them your own moral compass and assuming they'll figure it out on their own once they hit 18 is the biggest way to fail as a parent.
Do you have children?
Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...2 -
yiasemi✭✭✭✭
As a gay mum myself, I'd be quite happy for my kids to go save a woman's wife from some pirates, or a man's husband from some werewolves, yes. Not sure about the sexual elements, I talk about things like that when and if they want, happily, so as not to turn it all into some kind of embarrassing secret, but the fact of love between people of the same sex, I see nothing wrong with the concept being considered normal. Hell, I might even be able to show a little affection for my partner in public more often.15 -
cyqa✭✭✭
As a gay mum myself, I'd be quite happy for my kids to go save a woman's wife from some pirates, or a man's husband from some werewolves, yes. Not sure about the sexual elements, I talk about things like that when and if they want, happily, so as not to turn it all into some kind of embarrassing secret, but the fact of love between people of the same sex, I see nothing wrong with the concept being considered normal. Hell, I might even be able to show a little affection for my partner in public more often.
I wasn't sure whether to give you an Agree, Awesome or Insightful! I disagree utterly with the post you responded to regarding same sex relationships being difficult for children to understand.
But to stay on topic- there is an awful lot of insinuation towards prostitution (at least in AD)- don't want to give any major plot spoilers but I seem to remember a town in particular where you match mercenaries with different "pleasure" people, and another instance where you buy a prostitute for a guard to distract her from her duties.
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Valymer✭✭✭✭✭Rated M for 18+
Have yet to encounter anything I wouldn't let an 8 year old see.
So you are okay with exposing an 8 year old to:
1. Homosexuality (not saying that's wrong, just as a parent myself it's just a concept an 8 year old would have issues in fully understanding)
2. Murder
3. Stealing
4. R@pe
5. Torture
All of those things and many more are covered in the game, most of the quest lines, when you actually read them instead of just click through them, have what is deemed as adult content.
Everyone has a different parenting style and for the most part, our Moral compasses are 'tuned' differently, but to say that the content is suitable for an 8 year old? Wow... r@pe and torture isn't something that I'd want to mold a young an impressionable mind with.
I'd like my children to have more experience, wizdom and you guessed it... Maturity before grappling such concepts as those above.
Of course they gonna know what intercourse is by the time they hit fourth grade they got the Discovery Channel don't they?4 -
Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maturity has more to do with being able to act responsible, to think first and talk after, to make own decisions including their pro´s and con´s.
During my work I use the term "mature" a lot and it has absolutely nothing to do with violence, gore, *** or even murder. Its more about having made the step forward from being a child & teenager to an adult.
So how would this apply to ESO?
Hmm,
to have content that can not be reverted. So for instance, if you put your skill points one way then it stays like that forever. Your horse could die if you don't feed it. Joining a faction like DB should be permanent with the option to bail out but with serious consequences. A vampire cant just respect either, they would be unable to enter a church, walk in the sunlight... a potential house could burn down if you don't turn off the candle lights before log out ...
While I know this might all go to far, I absolutely don't understand what maturity should have to do with committing crimes, seeing blood or hitting women. If this would be the case then humanity would not get very old if all people from 21+ are mass murderers or blood thirsty animals
What the OP wants is a slasher modification, maybe even cyber sexuality or something but this really has zero to do with being mature.2
