MORE MATURE CONTENT PLEASE

Gidorick

In all fairness @Audigy‌ "Maturity" as it pertains to videogames and the ESRB has absolutely nothing to do with "being able to act responsible, to think first and talk after, to make own decisions including their pro´s and con´s."

The ESRB described an M rated game as follows:
"MATURE: Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language."

and here are the descriptors:

• Alcohol Reference - Reference to and/or images of alcoholic beverages
• Animated Blood - Discolored and/or unrealistic depictions of blood
• Blood - Depictions of blood
• Blood and Gore - Depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts
• Cartoon Violence - Violent actions involving cartoon-like situations and characters. May include violence where a character is unharmed after the action has been inflicted
• Comic Mischief - Depictions or dialogue involving slapstick or suggestive humor
• Crude Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving vulgar antics, including “bathroom” humor
• Drug Reference - Reference to and/or images of illegal drugs
• Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life
• Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death
• Language - Mild to moderate use of profanity
• Lyrics - Mild references to profanity, sexuality, violence, alcohol or drug use in music
• Mature Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving "adult" humor, including sexual references
• Nudity - Graphic or prolonged depictions of nudity
• Partial Nudity - Brief and/or mild depictions of nudity
• Real Gambling - Player can gamble, including betting or wagering real cash or currency
• Sexual Content - Non-explicit depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including partial nudity
• Sexual Themes - References to sex or sexuality
• Sexual Violence - Depictions of *** or other violent sexual acts
• Simulated Gambling - Player can gamble without betting or wagering real cash or currency
• Strong Language - Explicit and/or frequent use of profanity
• Strong Lyrics - Explicit and/or frequent references to profanity, sex, violence, alcohol or drug use in music
• Strong Sexual Content - Explicit and/or frequent depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including nudity
• Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials
• Tobacco Reference - Reference to and/or images of tobacco products
• Use of Alcohol - The consumption of alcoholic beverages
• Use of Drugs - The consumption or use of illegal drugs
• Use of Tobacco - The consumption of tobacco products
• Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict. May contain bloodless dismemberment
• Violent References - References to violent acts

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

Note that there are no descriptors like the following

• Acceptance of Responsibility - Situations where the player must act in a manner that positively impacts other players/characters.
• Reasonable Reflection - The consideration of past actions to weigh the impact of future actions on the future of the storyline.
• Selfless Consideration - Player can become the sole source of protection for characters that must rely on them for their survival.
• Realization of Mortality - Player is confronted with their own mortality and must contemplate their role within the scope of the game as well as their role in their own real-world lives.

... I mean, I GET your point but maturity in video-game context is something completely different than maturity in ones-self. Ironically, those of us who partake in the most mature content tend to be the most immature among the adult populace.

Just a thought.

kijima

Valymer wrote: »

Of course they gonna know what intercourse is by the time they hit fourth grade they got the Discovery Channel don't they?

My 7 year is in grade 1, and hasn't grasped the concept of intercourse. By the time he is in grade 4, things will be very different I'm sure yes. He doesn't live in an ivory tower. I'd say that things like the iPad he has access too, the internet, things like facebook and so on would play a much larger influence in his life than I had in my life at his age many years ago. The world is a different place now.

You could also say that young children brought up in war torn countries, or perhaps farm life, or maybe time lines (imagine being an 8 year old in London in the 1800's) have to learn to adapt and grow up quickly to life lessons, they learn about intercourse, life and death, misery and so on first hand.

You could argue all of this till you are blue in the face,

Should an 8 year old be playing ESO? No, and it's stupid to say so which is what the OP did.

The game is classified by an industry standard of code, conduct and ethics, and as such that it's not recommended for that age group, namely because of it's content.

Everyone's Morality will be a little different to each other due to environment and application, and same goes for maturity. I know plenty of people that are of a mature age, but don't display any form of maturity what so ever.

This game has adult themes, I don't think anyone can deny this. If you want more sex, drugs and rock'n'roll tempered with some more hacking up people, murdering, blood, gore and pillaging along with supernatural themes, then fine I'm with you on this one, I'm an adult, I can or 'should' be able to handle the content, but to state ESO is okay for an 8 year old?

Errrr.... No thanks.

AssaultLemming

Has no one read the lusty argonian maid? It is clearly the 50 shades of the elder scrolls world...

Gidorick

GreyBrow wrote: »

Have yet to encounter anything I wouldn't let an 8 year old see.

I think OP was using this to try to convey that his concerns are more with the visual esthetics of the game than the content and the context of that content.

To "see" most of the mature themes in the game you have to read and experience the game. I think the OP meant more like... they wouldn't mind if an 8 year old looked over their shoulder and watched them play.

Can we get off the "8-year old" comment and get back to discussing weather or not ESO should contain more gratuitous violence/sex/etc?

Iduyenn

If i had a kid, i would let him/her Ride a real horse First. It's way more fun:)

And playing ESO would not only be an "if" but also a "how long/how many times".

The Problem is not only the path of violent problemsolfing, but also to Reflect his/her actions, even if they are virtual. Kids can separate Fiction and Reality, but sometimes they try things out.

They Need enough contrast and proper education.

Hypertionb14_ESO

A: the game does contain mature content, Partial Nudity (underware is considered this), Violence and blood, sexual tones in places.

B: any MMO must effectively be considered to be rated Mature, because its almost impossible to make one that isnt directly aimed at kid only players that will not see conversations that ultimately end up with dirty jokes and bedplay humor.

Moonshadow66

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Has no one read the lusty argonian maid? It is clearly the 50 shades of the elder scrolls world...

I've read that book back in Morrowind, and yeah it is
But I still wonder why it shows up in ESO since it was written by Crassius Curio who lived in the Hlaalu Quarter in Vivec, wasn't it? Same with other books I've seen, they actually were written much later. I'm not complaining about it, just saying :-)

yiasemi

Raygee wrote: »

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Has no one read the lusty argonian maid? It is clearly the 50 shades of the elder scrolls world...

I've read that book back in Morrowind, and yeah it is
But I still wonder why it shows up in ESO since it was written by Crassius Curio who lived in the Hlaalu Quarter in Vivec, wasn't it? Same with other books I've seen, they actually were written much later. I'm not complaining about it, just saying :-)

Let that be a warning to you, when a strange gentleman asks you to take off your clothes for a quest, don't believe anything he says. My momma told me that.

Gilvoth

Vvardenfell, oh where art thou dear Vvardenfell.

Moonshadow66

If they would add blood and all that "mature" stuff, it should be optional to see it. I prefer the game as it is, without all this, although I'd be "old enough" (I turn 40 soon).
Also, I wouldn't assume that there are only players older than 18 playing the game just because it's 18+, I've met much younger ones than 18 during my travels..

Moonshadow66

yiasemi wrote: »

Raygee wrote: »

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Has no one read the lusty argonian maid? It is clearly the 50 shades of the elder scrolls world...

I've read that book back in Morrowind, and yeah it is
But I still wonder why it shows up in ESO since it was written by Crassius Curio who lived in the Hlaalu Quarter in Vivec, wasn't it? Same with other books I've seen, they actually were written much later. I'm not complaining about it, just saying :-)

Let that be a warning to you, when a strange gentleman asks you to take off your clothes for a quest, don't believe anything he says. My momma told me that.

Actually, good point, I totally forgot about that part^^

yiasemi

Victim trauma. You can talk about it...we're here for you..

rylixav

Audigy wrote: »

What the OP wants is a slasher modification, maybe even cyber sexuality or something but this really has zero to do with being mature.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Also, you're confused about what the word "mature" means.

If he's confused about the meaning of the word "mature," then so is every single Western news organization, politician, media rating agency, political advocacy group, public intellectual, and religious organization, because they all use the word in the exact same way.

GreyBrow

Audigy wrote: »

Maturity has more to do with being able to act responsible, to think first and talk after, to make own decisions including their pro´s and con´s.

During my work I use the term "mature" a lot and it has absolutely nothing to do with violence, gore, *** or even murder. Its more about having made the step forward from being a child & teenager to an adult.

So how would this apply to ESO?

Hmm,

to have content that can not be reverted. So for instance, if you put your skill points one way then it stays like that forever. Your horse could die if you don't feed it. Joining a faction like DB should be permanent with the option to bail out but with serious consequences. A vampire cant just respect either, they would be unable to enter a church, walk in the sunlight... a potential house could burn down if you don't turn off the candle lights before log out ...

While I know this might all go to far, I absolutely don't understand what maturity should have to do with committing crimes, seeing blood or hitting women. If this would be the case then humanity would not get very old if all people from 21+ are mass murderers or blood thirsty animals


What the OP wants is a slasher modification, maybe even cyber sexuality or something but this really has zero to do with being mature.

Actually, this is the core of the issue. The lack of blood/gore/etc., is just the easiest way to illustrate the point to most people on the forums. If they "Maturified" the game in this way, i'd pay them double, in advance, for 5 years worth of subscriptions.

GreyBrow

Another issue is that when this gets released on console, it wouldn't surprise me if more than 50% of the buyers try to take it back to the store and demand a refund.

They're going to hear "Elder Scrolls Online" and think: "Oh great! fallout/skyrim style gameplay, just online! I want to chop off heads and troll every single person I come across by sniping them with my bow", just like the people who bought "GTA Online" were expecting to be able to walk around town and blow people away with a rocket launcher.

The difference is that GTA made an online MMO experience that captured the essence of the franchise. ESO certainly did not do that, and when console gamers buy the game, play for 10 hours, and then try to slaughter Razum Dar with an axe.... they'll realize that all they can do are boring quests, they're going to feel deceived, cheated, tricked, and they're gonna be prettttttyyyyy mad. And that'll be RIP in peace for ESO.

Tonnopesce

We all know that all state have a different way to understand mature contenente a good example is the new edition of sleeping dogs that is actually banned from germany so since this game is selled worldwide they have to go with the lowest standard possibile of blood and gore so if the state with the low standard accept this (is not referred to germany i used just as an example) all the others will have no prob with the game IMO

yiasemi

GreyBrow wrote: »

Another issue is that when this gets released on console, it wouldn't surprise me if more than 50% of the buyers try to take it back to the store and demand a refund.

They're going to hear "Elder Scrolls Online" and think: "Oh great! fallout/skyrim style gameplay, just online! I want to chop off heads and troll every single person I come across by sniping them with my bow", just like the people who bought "GTA Online" were expecting to be able to walk around town and blow people away with a rocket launcher.

The difference is that GTA made an online MMO experience that captured the essence of the franchise. ESO certainly did not do that, and when console gamers buy the game, play for 10 hours, and then try to slaughter Razum Dar with an axe.... they'll realize that all they can do are boring quests, they're going to feel deceived, cheated, tricked, and they're gonna be prettttttyyyyy mad. And that'll be RIP in peace for ESO.

You wouldn't believe how many professionals (and yes, I hate that word too) I know with a decent PC, who first dipped into Skyrim with the console release, but were daunted when I told them how to mod the game beyond their wildest dreams. Of course... maybe.. they have better dreams. hmmm

ExiledKhallisi

As if pixelated "love" scenes weren't awkward enough in other games like the wit her etc. Could you Imagine one between an argonian and a dunmer?

More blood plox.
Ex nay on the video game love moments until at least games become life-like.

eventide03b14a_ESO

GreyBrow wrote: »

Rated M for 18+

2x VR14, Have yet to encounter anything I wouldn't let an 8 year old see. Vulgarity is ban-able, no blood anywhere to be seen, even though it's a game centered around KILLING and STEALING, although we've yet to see you deliver that last part.

So why the enforced "morality"?

Seriously... What's up Zeni?

First of all, you need to stay away from children. Second, there is blood, have you ever seen a vampire feed or hit a target with a melee weapon? There is drinking and reference to drug use (skooma). There is plenty of sexual innuendo, but I doubt that you picked up on the subtlety. And finally there is a generous amount of swearing albeit nothing too bad just a bit of damn here and I think I may have heard one of them say *** once. The fact is that it's very mature compared to other AAA MMOs.

yiasemi

Hmm 3 letters. Another word for donkey maybe? In addition, I think you missed the 2nd reason of innuendo (the first being laughter from adults). As the years go by, and i spend more time as a parent, I think all this censorship is there to protect supposedly grown up mature people from themselves and others who claim they are. No wonder some kids end up messed up.

Tapio75

In AION, i loved it how armor or clothing and equipment all got blood soaked like in real battle with swords and stuff. I hope to see such in ESO in future too.

Armitas

My favorite part of the rating is all the in game nudity. I can spend hours and hours a day staring at it. I remember my first time in cheese mongers hollow back in beta just basking in the mental nudity of Sheogorath... It is a fierce and beautiful thing; it's cheese all the way down.

Ironic Humor

Pallmor

kijima wrote: »

GreyBrow wrote: »

Rated M for 18+

Have yet to encounter anything I wouldn't let an 8 year old see.

So you are okay with exposing an 8 year old to:

1. Homosexuality (not saying that's wrong, just as a parent myself it's just a concept an 8 year old would have issues in fully understanding)
2. Murder
3. Stealing
4. R@pe
5. Torture

All of those things and many more are covered in the game, most of the quest lines, when you actually read them instead of just click through them, have what is deemed as adult content.

Everyone has a different parenting style and for the most part, our Moral compasses are 'tuned' differently, but to say that the content is suitable for an 8 year old? Wow... r@pe and torture isn't something that I'd want to mold a young an impressionable mind with.

I'd like my children to have more experience, wizdom and you guessed it... Maturity before grappling such concepts as those above.

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't let a kid play this game (a teen maybe). There is some pretty gruesome content--characters being tortured and murdered, whole towns being slaughtered, etc. I sure wouldn't want any 8-year-old playing through the Mage's Guild storyline and encountering Sheogorath and his "family."

Azarul

Just so were clear ZoS doesn't rate the game. They didn't develop it knowing it would receive a M rating. So their not going to go back in and change things once it did receive it.

Pallmor

GreyBrow wrote: »

Another issue is that when this gets released on console, it wouldn't surprise me if more than 50% of the buyers try to take it back to the store and demand a refund.

They're going to hear "Elder Scrolls Online" and think: "Oh great! fallout/skyrim style gameplay, just online! I want to chop off heads and troll every single person I come across by sniping them with my bow", just like the people who bought "GTA Online" were expecting to be able to walk around town and blow people away with a rocket launcher.

The difference is that GTA made an online MMO experience that captured the essence of the franchise. ESO certainly did not do that, and when console gamers buy the game, play for 10 hours, and then try to slaughter Razum Dar with an axe.... they'll realize that all they can do are boring quests, they're going to feel deceived, cheated, tricked, and they're gonna be prettttttyyyyy mad. And that'll be RIP in peace for ESO.

You know what would make new players even MORE mad? If they paid for the game, logged in, and found every single town completely empty because griefers had come through and killed every NPC.

MMO's are not single-player games. They're persistent online worlds.

As for GTA V, that is NOT an MMO. It's a multiplayer/coop game. No one is going to pay $15/month just to play coop with a couple of their friends. They expect a MASSIVE persistent world. And that means you can't just let every jerk run around and kill all the NPC's in town every few minutes.

JKorr

GreyBrow wrote: »

Undaunted having beer... Mature... I guess? 14 year olds have beers in both the US and Europe. Hardly worthy of an M rating.

In a real medieval era town being plagued by the forces of a demonic overload, the populace would be in the throes of drunken debauchery, partying in the streets, puking in the bushes, running naked with reckless abandon to the nearest you-know-what-house.

Bodies hit with catapults? Exploded. Yeah... All over the ground.

Arrow in the knee? You'd be screaming every profanity in the book, and likely inventing new ones as you go.

My observations? Goodie goodie Kiddie game made by goodie goodie kiddies for goodie goodie kiddies who are afraid mom will find out they snuck half a beer and are playing a game with a curse word

Yep. That's just what I thought when I had to decide whether to kill the healer who just butchered a family after being infected by a bloodfiend or not. Or when I had to decide whether a woman sacrificed her life to heal someone else infected by a werewolf or not. Oooh. What about when I found out the bad guys were infecting people with a plague that turned them into murderous flesh-eating zombies? Or the enemies that want to control a soul-sucking ancient artifact to raise an undead army? I mean, aren't things like this covered in kindergarten now? Don't the Sesame Street muppets cover being forced to kill your commander after they catch a plague, turn into a zombie and try to kill you first? I am pretty sure Mr. Rogers never ran into problems like that in his Neighborhood though.....

eventide03b14a_ESO

Azarul wrote: »

Just so were clear ZoS doesn't rate the game. They didn't develop it knowing it would receive a M rating. So their not going to go back in and change things once it did receive it.

You're telling me that industry veterans thought they were going to get anything less than an M rating on this game? This isn't Matt Firor's first MMO. I am sure they know the standards for ESRB ratings.

AlexDougherty

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Azarul wrote: »

Just so were clear ZoS doesn't rate the game. They didn't develop it knowing it would receive a M rating. So their not going to go back in and change things once it did receive it.

You're telling me that industry veterans thought they were going to get anything less than an M rating on this game? This isn't Matt Firor's first MMO. I am sure they know the standards for ESRB ratings.

To be fair SWTOR got a teen rating, and it has all the same stuff, although maybe the SCI-FI theme made it seem less harsh.

Selique

I kind of feel like the M+18 label is there just because of all the wild internet people that can be found in-game.

lecarcajou_ESO

Frankly, I see quite a lot of blood whenever I suck it out of an unsuspecting victim. A heckuva lot, actually.

At any rate, I don't particularly feel a need for my opponents to erupt into geysers of gore and guts each time I win a fight. If you feel that stabbing someone repeatedly until they collapse with a final gurgle is okay for "an eight-year old to see" just because there's no blood splattering everywhere, well, maybe you've grown little too desensitized (also, you've probably never stabbed anyone.)