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I JUST DONT GET IT. WHY U HATE NBS SO MUCH
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✭✭✭Ifthir_ESO wrote: »Stamina build is so bad for PvP imo but w/e.
Mages have been crying about getting hit hard since PvP was invented, in every game I have ever played, the mages cried they get killed fast.
I blame Elminster, Raistlin Majere, and Gandalf
And Assassin always complained of low damage even when they one-shot people. The dude in the screenshot was a DK Emp. Not a sorc.
Also considering he used Mark Target, it wouldn't really make much difference if he wore heavy armor or not.EU | PC | AD0 -
Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »One thing that would open sooo many doors for all NB builds would be mirage getting a buff and NB getting more misschance.
I love NB and my playstyle for it but alot of the "other" NB builds are weak due to the amount of damage we take more miss chance could fix that. My builds survivablity doesn't even use NB skills.
Some ideas I have.
Shadow Cloak:(Acutally gives us our invisibility no matter what) spaming it will cause it to cost more.
Blur: 30% miss chance for 20 secs.
Haste: every 4th ability casted is free.
Agony: keep it the same but enemys cant CC break it and it breaks on damage or when time runs out.
Path of Darkness: while in path you have immunity to snares and roots.
Just some ideas that would help out all NB.
What the hell man? I thought you were a duelling officer too.
Blur: 30% miss chance for 20 secs? 30% is way too high for the duration. There's already Evasion that offers 15% dodge (better than miss, as it affects PvE bosses too). It's also a cheap stamina skills for stam NBs. Magicka NBs are absolutely fine and need no buffs.
Shadow Cloak: I'm all for not being detectable by potions while Cloaked, but you have to pop out on AoE dmg. Otherwise it's a guaranteed escape. Even Bolt Escape is not a guaranteed escape as you can get shot down by arrows or caught with gap closers.
Haste: Fine, but no sure how it adds anything considering how little skills cost once you're spec'd for that.
Agony: I'm sorry but whoever suggests that this games needs unbreakable CC needs to look in the mirror and hang his head in shame.
Path of Darkness: Like a personal retreating manoeuvre? but even faster? Hmm, maybe but with limitations.
It was a idea lol Im not taking hours to balance out a "thought" that zenimax prob wont add xD
What about DK getting 30% misschance from one skill? Why would DK get more misschance than a NB?
They are already MAKING aoe and stuff like that notbreak you out they announced it my suggestion is basically to make it cost more so its not OP which it will be if they dont make it cost more.
Haste is useless honestly any change is good.
Agony literally says in a loading screen to use when there is multiple enemies but what is the point if they are gonna gonna break it? its either a 12 stun that costs alot of stam to break or its not breakable and you get immunity afterward idk if you have seen it but its like impossible to land and has a 1.5 cast time it cant be reapplied if there is dots on them cuz it would break so it being a stun that cant be broken it balanced since it will break if your enemy has dots and thats also consdering IF you can land it since its blockable.
Path of Darkness I didnt say faster. The only use I found for path of darkness is to drop is and circle you enemy and its AMAZING for that but its useless cuz of roots and snares if they add that it makes it useful.
These are just ideas bro
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✭✭✭✭There have been hundreds of complaints about the raw deal NB are getting in this game. Constant nerfing of class skills, broken class skills ZOS says they are going to fix yet have done nothing and the list can go on. Problem is ZOS is not listening to the complaints which in my opinion are totally justified. They could care less. If they were listening, there would be no changes forthcoming to anything that effects the NB class and skill lines. When they nerf stealth and critical strikes then they destroy a NB effectively using a Bow and destroy the Assassination and Shadow skill lines along with the change. How does ZOS expect a NB to play effectively when a majority of its class skills are broken and not working as intended coupled with the constant nerfing of the NB's other class skills or skills related to their style of game play that they depend on. That in a nutshell will make a NB totally ineffective and useless. As for me my decision has been made. Since I will not be able to play a NB the way the class was intended to be played with all the restrictions that have been imposed by ZOS along with the many broken class skill lines I am cancelling my sub. To those NB players who have decided to stick it out with ZOS I wish you the best. Hopefully ZOS will wake up and smell the roses eventually.
It scares me that this person actually believes what they are typing. 5-10% less sneak dmg is going to destroy the whole class, is it?
Yeah most sorcs got a 10% Damage nerf with the Resto staff nerf. It hurt us quite a bit but I wouldn't say it destroyed us. We just learned to accept the change it and deal with it.
Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
Too Much Bolt Escape - banned for "hacking the game to create movement not otherwise permitted by in game mechanics."
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✭✭✭It was a idea lol Im not taking hours to balance out a "thought" that zenimax prob wont add xD
What about DK getting 30% misschance from one skill? Why would DK get more misschance than a NB?
Noone makes you sit inside the 5 meter radius of Cinder Storm. A self-buff as opposed to an area buff is much much stronger.They are already MAKING aoe and stuff like that not break you out they announced it my suggestion is basically to make it cost more so its not OP which it will be if they dont make it cost more.
Did they? I missed that. My point there can't be a guaranteed escape in the game. It's not on. If you can't get knocked out of Cloak, then they'll have to add hugely increasing cost. Which I generally don't agree with, as that's the way they went with BE and it's not sustainable by any build other than a cost reduction one. Same will happen to NBs, stamina ones won't be able to cast it more than once or twice, while magicka ones will be able to get away for ever.Haste is useless honestly any chance is good.
Again no opinion on haste.Agony literally says in a loading screen to use when there is multiple enemies btu what is the point if they are gonna gonna break it?
Same applies to DKs Petrify and Sorc's Rune Prison. They're PvE skills not PvP skills. You can't have players being stunned for 10 secs with no way to get out. So your version of 1v3 is stunning 2 while killing the 3rd. Not possible really.Path of Darkness no not faster. The only use I found for path of darkness is to drop is and circle you enemy and its AMAZING for that but its useless cuz of roots and snares if they add that it makes it useful.
Well PoD is 50% speed increase. RM is 33%, which is why I said it'll be better than RM on the NB. A long as stuns still work and there's a speed decrease, then maybe.These are just ideas bro
Sure, I understand. It's just some of them seemed a bit "out there" to me. Sorry if I freaked out a bitEU | PC | AD0 -
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Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »It was a idea lol Im not taking hours to balance out a "thought" that zenimax prob wont add xD
What about DK getting 30% misschance from one skill? Why would DK get more misschance than a NB?
Noone makes you sit inside the 5 meter radius of Cinder Storm. A self-buff as opposed to an area buff is much much stronger.They are already MAKING aoe and stuff like that not break you out they announced it my suggestion is basically to make it cost more so its not OP which it will be if they dont make it cost more.
Did they? I missed that. My point there can't be a guaranteed escape in the game. It's not on. If you can't get knocked out of Cloak, then they'll have to add hugely increasing cost. Which I generally don't agree with, as that's the way they went with BE and it's not sustainable by any build other than a cost reduction one. Same will happen to NBs, stamina ones won't be able to cast it more than once or twice, while magicka ones will be able to get away for ever.Haste is useless honestly any chance is good.
Again no opinion on haste.Agony literally says in a loading screen to use when there is multiple enemies btu what is the point if they are gonna gonna break it?
Same applies to DKs Petrify and Sorc's Rune Prison. They're PvE skills not PvP skills. You can't have players being stunned for 10 secs with no way to get out. So your version of 1v3 is stunning 2 while killing the 3rd. Not possible really.Path of Darkness no not faster. The only use I found for path of darkness is to drop is and circle you enemy and its AMAZING for that but its useless cuz of roots and snares if they add that it makes it useful.
Well PoD is 50% speed increase. RM is 33%, which is why I said it'll be better than RM on the NB. A long as stuns still work and there's a speed decrease, then maybe.These are just ideas bro
Sure, I understand. It's just some of them seemed a bit "out there" to me. Sorry if I freaked out a bit
Also when I said my agony idea I said "keep it the same". Agony only applies to 1 person and breaks if you apply it to another I think the idea is balanced cuz as I said DOTS will break it and your own attacks the point of the skill would be in a 1v3 to make it a 1v2 and if your enemy has purge it would remove agony. Many MMOS have done the same sorta like how Final fantasy sleep works which sorcs and NB should have the power to do. Petrify actually is useful ive seen DKs use it since it has no cast time its great and this idea wouldnt apply to that. Sorcs skill I agree should also be unbreakable but only apply once, hell sorcs prison is better than NB current stun due to the fact you can stun people on horses and they cant CC break where NB version cant even do that.0 -
Father✭✭✭Look people start crying before it even went live... so far looks like the majority of pts players look ok with this change. Try it out before bashing devs.
I always had magicka build since launch,. When this patch goes live im gonna switch to stamina and go for bow/2handed. My instincts tells me its gonna be the new FOTM build
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That's kind of the point. If you don't kill the [snip] DK's before they can react then they permanently put up reflective scale. But that's fair right?I am a NB, and these are reasonable changes. No class should be able to kill another before they can react. Now can you fix the DK shield bash , talon exploit so that I am not perma stunned?
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on October 29, 2014 7:16PM:trollin:1 -
Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭Desdemonte wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »I'm not whining- I don't think the change to stealth damage will make much difference, but this is another case of ZOS throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also continues to set a disturbing precedent. The problem is th FOTM stealth Snipe macroing people are doing. So they nerf stealth damage and continue to buff bows. I use a bow. I use stealth. I am a NB and their actions just don't make sense to me.
That's alright, they make absolute sense to the rest of us.
It's normal to complain when you're losing you OP toy, happens to a lot of people. Doing 4.4k dmg in 1 sec from stealth might suit your fine but for everyone else who plays this game, it's not cool.
I don't even use that cheeseball routine. I've been hit by it plenty of times though. If you notice, I say that there *is* a problem. You're another example of people coming crying to the forums without actually using their brain or actually reading what people write before spouting your mantra.
Again, it's the bow and animation cancelling, not the damage from stealth. Give your head a shake for crissakes.
Sorry... in high end rvr NBs are fine... 50/50 against dks in most fights.. I think NBs might have a slight advantage... please take a look at the duels.. look at Syphers videos....
Sypher is using my build I gave it to him lol ... Thats a horrible example because that style of build is the only viable NB DPS build. When I made the class I was sad that I had to write off sooo many things that could help the build because some NB skills are horrible. Yes my build can kill anyclass and it really powerful but does that mean NB is balanced? no it isnt cuz its only 1 playstyle that is working. Templars can kickass being a tank/magickahealer/stamina build.Edited by Araxleon on October 28, 2014 9:25PM2 -
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✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
That's kind of the point. If you don't kill the [snip] DK's before they can react then they permanently put up reflective scale. But that's fair right?I am a NB, and these are reasonable changes. No class should be able to kill another before they can react. Now can you fix the DK shield bash , talon exploit so that I am not perma stunned?
A DK does melee damage. If you play rogue style and have DW trained you can slot Sparks and make the DK miss all his melee attacks. That's also fair.
When you build for PvP you have to be versatile. You cannot rely solely on the bow for single target damage. you have to have a plan B for when your opponent gets into melee range.
That plan might be to simply vanish into the shadows, another option the DK has not. Or it might be to pull out 2H and fight. It's up to you.
Just be a bit more versatile. Not taking away from the fact stamina needs more love, of course. Or Columba's point about the stunlock which is not good either.
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✭✭Desdemonte wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »I'm not whining- I don't think the change to stealth damage will make much difference, but this is another case of ZOS throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also continues to set a disturbing precedent. The problem is th FOTM stealth Snipe macroing people are doing. So they nerf stealth damage and continue to buff bows. I use a bow. I use stealth. I am a NB and their actions just don't make sense to me.
That's alright, they make absolute sense to the rest of us.
It's normal to complain when you're losing you OP toy, happens to a lot of people. Doing 4.4k dmg in 1 sec from stealth might suit your fine but for everyone else who plays this game, it's not cool.
I don't even use that cheeseball routine. I've been hit by it plenty of times though. If you notice, I say that there *is* a problem. You're another example of people coming crying to the forums without actually using their brain or actually reading what people write before spouting your mantra.
Again, it's the bow and animation cancelling, not the damage from stealth. Give your head a shake for crissakes.
Sorry... in high end rvr NBs are fine... 50/50 against dks in most fights.. I think NBs might have a slight advantage... please take a look at the duels.. look at Syphers videos....
Sypher is using my build I gave it to him lol ... Thats a horrible example because that style of build is the only viable NB build. When I made the class I was sad that I had to write off sooo many things that could help the build because some NB skills are horrible. Yes my build can kill anyclass and it really powerful but does that mean NB is balanced? no it isnt cuz its only 1 playstyle that is working. Templars can kickass being a tank/magickahealer/stamina build.
I actually think NB have the most build diversity that has some measure of success right up there with Templar. NB has the stamina one shot build, the magicka one shot build, and your build. Templar can be magicka focused or do quite well stamina focused as ebonhearttemplar's videos show. Sorc basically all play exactly the same. I guess you could say we can also go for stamina one shot build but it is more difficult to get out of dodge as a stamina sorc compared to a stamina nb. DKs really only have the same build too.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭✭Desdemonte wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »I'm not whining- I don't think the change to stealth damage will make much difference, but this is another case of ZOS throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also continues to set a disturbing precedent. The problem is th FOTM stealth Snipe macroing people are doing. So they nerf stealth damage and continue to buff bows. I use a bow. I use stealth. I am a NB and their actions just don't make sense to me.
That's alright, they make absolute sense to the rest of us.
It's normal to complain when you're losing you OP toy, happens to a lot of people. Doing 4.4k dmg in 1 sec from stealth might suit your fine but for everyone else who plays this game, it's not cool.
I don't even use that cheeseball routine. I've been hit by it plenty of times though. If you notice, I say that there *is* a problem. You're another example of people coming crying to the forums without actually using their brain or actually reading what people write before spouting your mantra.
Again, it's the bow and animation cancelling, not the damage from stealth. Give your head a shake for crissakes.
Sorry... in high end rvr NBs are fine... 50/50 against dks in most fights.. I think NBs might have a slight advantage... please take a look at the duels.. look at Syphers videos....
Sypher is using my build I gave it to him lol ... Thats a horrible example because that style of build is the only viable NB DPS build. When I made the class I was sad that I had to write off sooo many things that could help the build because some NB skills are horrible. Yes my build can kill anyclass and it really powerful but does that mean NB is balanced? no it isnt cuz its only 1 playstyle that is working. Templars can kickass being a tank/magickahealer/stamina build.
There are other NB builds that work you just refuse to acknowledge them. If you're trying to talk about dueling why are you including healing and tank builds for templars? I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish.0 -
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✭✭✭Desdemonte wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »I'm not whining- I don't think the change to stealth damage will make much difference, but this is another case of ZOS throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also continues to set a disturbing precedent. The problem is th FOTM stealth Snipe macroing people are doing. So they nerf stealth damage and continue to buff bows. I use a bow. I use stealth. I am a NB and their actions just don't make sense to me.
That's alright, they make absolute sense to the rest of us.
It's normal to complain when you're losing you OP toy, happens to a lot of people. Doing 4.4k dmg in 1 sec from stealth might suit your fine but for everyone else who plays this game, it's not cool.
I don't even use that cheeseball routine. I've been hit by it plenty of times though. If you notice, I say that there *is* a problem. You're another example of people coming crying to the forums without actually using their brain or actually reading what people write before spouting your mantra.
Again, it's the bow and animation cancelling, not the damage from stealth. Give your head a shake for crissakes.
Sorry... in high end rvr NBs are fine... 50/50 against dks in most fights.. I think NBs might have a slight advantage... please take a look at the duels.. look at Syphers videos....
Sypher is using my build I gave it to him lol ... Thats a horrible example because that style of build is the only viable NB build. When I made the class I was sad that I had to write off sooo many things that could help the build because some NB skills are horrible. Yes my build can kill anyclass and it really powerful but does that mean NB is balanced? no it isnt cuz its only 1 playstyle that is working. Templars can kickass being a tank/magickahealer/stamina build.
I actually think NB have the most build diversity that has some measure of success right up there with Templar. NB has the stamina one shot build, the magicka one shot build, and your build. Templar can be magicka focused or do quite well stamina focused as ebonhearttemplar's videos show. Sorc basically all play exactly the same. I guess you could say we can also go for stamina one shot build but it is more difficult to get out of dodge as a stamina sorc compared to a stamina nb. DKs really only have the same build too.
Well, soon incoming as well as future stamina changes, will hopefully make more builds viable and fun. Trust me, the amount of DKs out there who would love to wear Heavy+2h is huge, probably the majority even.
Less so for Sorcs, I suppose, because they wanted to play the Mage style and that was working fine from the start. I don't really expect to see much diversity there.EU | PC | AD1 -
Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭Desdemonte wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »I'm not whining- I don't think the change to stealth damage will make much difference, but this is another case of ZOS throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also continues to set a disturbing precedent. The problem is th FOTM stealth Snipe macroing people are doing. So they nerf stealth damage and continue to buff bows. I use a bow. I use stealth. I am a NB and their actions just don't make sense to me.
That's alright, they make absolute sense to the rest of us.
It's normal to complain when you're losing you OP toy, happens to a lot of people. Doing 4.4k dmg in 1 sec from stealth might suit your fine but for everyone else who plays this game, it's not cool.
I don't even use that cheeseball routine. I've been hit by it plenty of times though. If you notice, I say that there *is* a problem. You're another example of people coming crying to the forums without actually using their brain or actually reading what people write before spouting your mantra.
Again, it's the bow and animation cancelling, not the damage from stealth. Give your head a shake for crissakes.
Sorry... in high end rvr NBs are fine... 50/50 against dks in most fights.. I think NBs might have a slight advantage... please take a look at the duels.. look at Syphers videos....
Sypher is using my build I gave it to him lol ... Thats a horrible example because that style of build is the only viable NB DPS build. When I made the class I was sad that I had to write off sooo many things that could help the build because some NB skills are horrible. Yes my build can kill anyclass and it really powerful but does that mean NB is balanced? no it isnt cuz its only 1 playstyle that is working. Templars can kickass being a tank/magickahealer/stamina build.
There are other NB builds that work you just refuse to acknowledge them. If you're trying to talk about dueling why are you including healing and tank builds for templars? I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish.
When did I mention dueling anywhere?
I made my build so OF COURSE I LOVE IT and wanna use it like anyone. I have tried almost all possible NB builds and tested many things (I have everything to 50) my point is this. you can play the way you want or kill many people its simple as that.
My friend Ak'Nur has a amazing stamina build he made we thoerycraft togather I know its good but even he admits that my magicka NB build is more versatile in everyway.
Only other good NB is the heavy armor NB built around sap essence which mojar stalker (I think thats his name) is known for.
I feel you you tried hard to be offend due to the fact you mentioned dueling when I never said a word about dueling in that post.
Tell me other NB builds that I should "acknowledge" because the two I just mentioned are the only ones every single other one has a huge weakness.
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✭✭✭Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »NB's have a bad ass AoE tank build which also supports one's team very well. It's always a pleasure to have such a NB in group.
Tell me about it. They're a bit hard to find still. Very few players seem to want to play that way.
The majority of the new generation of S&B magicka tank NBs, is players rolling alts after getting a bit bored of their main chars.
I've found it very hard so far to find good AoE tank NBs to add to my guild's ranks.
Dunno, maybe it's just me
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Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »NB's have a bad ass AoE tank build which also supports one's team very well. It's always a pleasure to have such a NB in group.
Tell me about it. They're a bit hard to find still. Very few players seem to want to play that way.
The majority of the new generation of S&B magicka tank NBs, is players rolling alts after getting a bit bored of their main chars.
I've found it very hard so far to find good AoE tank NBs to add to my guild's ranks.
Dunno, maybe it's just me
Mike I have the build, I never use it tho lmao maybe I should use it with you guys. Im just not used to it cuz I solo most of the time0 -
krim✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »NB's have a bad ass AoE tank build which also supports one's team very well. It's always a pleasure to have such a NB in group.
Tell me about it. They're a bit hard to find still. Very few players seem to want to play that way.
The majority of the new generation of S&B magicka tank NBs, is players rolling alts after getting a bit bored of their main chars.
I've found it very hard so far to find good AoE tank NBs to add to my guild's ranks.
Dunno, maybe it's just me
Mike I have the build, I never use it tho lmao maybe I should use it with you guys. Im just not used to it cuz I solo most of the time
Im curious what sets you use for this build?
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Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »NB's have a bad ass AoE tank build which also supports one's team very well. It's always a pleasure to have such a NB in group.
Tell me about it. They're a bit hard to find still. Very few players seem to want to play that way.
The majority of the new generation of S&B magicka tank NBs, is players rolling alts after getting a bit bored of their main chars.
I've found it very hard so far to find good AoE tank NBs to add to my guild's ranks.
Dunno, maybe it's just me
Mike I have the build, I never use it tho lmao maybe I should use it with you guys. Im just not used to it cuz I solo most of the time
Im curious what sets you use for this build?
I run "duroks bane" with the restoration staff (PVP staff) and rings.
I mainly use it for sap essence its AMAZING. its great with groups
but yeah arena is also good. though duroks gives the reduction in healing and the staff is a good extra magicka.
torugs pact on my sword/shield also.
Only reason I dont use it is cause I dislike builds with a weakness... when your solo your deadEdited by Araxleon on October 28, 2014 10:01PM0 -
krim✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »NB's have a bad ass AoE tank build which also supports one's team very well. It's always a pleasure to have such a NB in group.
Tell me about it. They're a bit hard to find still. Very few players seem to want to play that way.
The majority of the new generation of S&B magicka tank NBs, is players rolling alts after getting a bit bored of their main chars.
I've found it very hard so far to find good AoE tank NBs to add to my guild's ranks.
Dunno, maybe it's just me
Mike I have the build, I never use it tho lmao maybe I should use it with you guys. Im just not used to it cuz I solo most of the time
Im curious what sets you use for this build?
I run "duroks bane" with the restoration staff (PVP staff) and rings.
I mainly use it for sap essence its AMAZING in 1vX
but yeah arena is also good. though duroks gives the reduction in healing and the staff is a good extra magicka.
torugs pact on my sword/shield also.
Only reason I dont use it is cause I dislike builds with a weakness... if your solo with this build your prob dead
7/7 light? what jewelry enchants? I think i got a good AoE tank build hit me up ill share it with you.
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2 Stamina recovery and 1 spell power. its 5 piece heavy. you could prob fit in warlock. I just use the restoration staff though and its rings. you need to find certain warlock pieces if you wanna run it.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »NB's have a bad ass AoE tank build which also supports one's team very well. It's always a pleasure to have such a NB in group.
Tell me about it. They're a bit hard to find still. Very few players seem to want to play that way.
The majority of the new generation of S&B magicka tank NBs, is players rolling alts after getting a bit bored of their main chars.
I've found it very hard so far to find good AoE tank NBs to add to my guild's ranks.
Dunno, maybe it's just me
Mike I have the build, I never use it tho lmao maybe I should use it with you guys. Im just not used to it cuz I solo most of the time
Im curious what sets you use for this build?
I run "duroks bane" with the restoration staff (PVP staff) and rings.
I mainly use it for sap essence its AMAZING in 1vX
but yeah arena is also good. though duroks gives the reduction in healing and the staff is a good extra magicka.
torugs pact on my sword/shield also.
Only reason I dont use it is cause I dislike builds with a weakness... if your solo with this build your prob dead
7/7 light? what jewelry enchants? I think i got a good AoE tank build hit me up ill share it with you.
but yeah if you get warlock which would be best it would be 5 heavy 2 light
you will also want diease as the healing debuff from the armor and disease will stack meaning your enemies basically cant heal lolEdited by Araxleon on October 28, 2014 10:04PM0 -
stoop420✭✭I play full stam, medium armor with bow/sword and board. Is it the most powerful? Hell no but it is a helluvalot of fun.0
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✭✭✭7/7 light? what jewelry enchants? I think i got a good AoE tank build hit me up ill share it with you.
Is this the right place where I can share my theorycrafting ideas for my currently in development NB?
5-set Arch-mage.
5-set Arena.
2 rings of Cyrodiil light
Spell damage on the glyphs to mitigate the loss from siphoning attacks, which is necessary for sustain imo.
I like Arena too much to leave it out of a S&B build. It saves lives, like when you get that knock-down or fear or bitjabs lock.
Disclaimer, that's just only a paper concept. Still a noob when it comes to NBsEU | PC | AD1 -
Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭the damage debuff from siphoning attacks is ya know a % so even if you add more spell damage its not really alot...0
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When did I mention dueling anywhere?
I made my build so OF COURSE I LOVE IT and wanna use it like anyone. I have tried almost all possible NB builds and tested many things (I have everything to 50) my point is this. you can play the way you want or kill many people its simple as that.
My friend Ak'Nur has a amazing stamina build he made we thoerycraft togather I know its good but even he admits that my magicka NB build is more versatile in everyway.
Only other good NB is the heavy armor NB built around sap essence which mojar stalker (I think thats his name) is known for.
I feel you you tried hard to be offend due to the fact you mentioned dueling when I never said a word about dueling in that post.
Tell me other NB builds that I should "acknowledge" because the two I just mentioned are the only ones every single other one has a huge weakness.
I started playing around with my new NB build that's weapon and stam based with a good amount of survivability (perhaps). I only got to use it last night for the first time, but it did pretty well in a a few solo fights, great in small group fights, and moderate in zerg fights, but I don't know if any single player does particularly well against angry streams of impulse (I don't know that they're angry, but I think they have to be at least a little angry).
For its maiden voyage, I felt very... soft at first because I don't have the resto staff or the insta-heals with wards and comfortable distance of crippling grasp and funnel health, but when I started finding a rhythm, it was a good night of pvp. Currently I'd say it's a small step behind the normal LA SnB/resto build, but then again that's just after a couple hours of playing around with it.
So it's 5M/2H with jewelry favoring the heavy armor side of things, and hopefully with a little bit time spent getting to know it's limits, I'd like to try it out with you (assuming you can wait for me to finish the dolmen this time).
As a build it's going to get a lot stronger with the 1.5 updates, so that's something to look forward to as well.
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2 Stamina recovery and 1 spell power. its 5 piece heavy. you could prob fit in warlock. I just use the restoration staff though and its rings. you need to find certain warlock pieces if you wanna run it.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »NB's have a bad ass AoE tank build which also supports one's team very well. It's always a pleasure to have such a NB in group.
Tell me about it. They're a bit hard to find still. Very few players seem to want to play that way.
The majority of the new generation of S&B magicka tank NBs, is players rolling alts after getting a bit bored of their main chars.
I've found it very hard so far to find good AoE tank NBs to add to my guild's ranks.
Dunno, maybe it's just me
Mike I have the build, I never use it tho lmao maybe I should use it with you guys. Im just not used to it cuz I solo most of the time
Im curious what sets you use for this build?
I run "duroks bane" with the restoration staff (PVP staff) and rings.
I mainly use it for sap essence its AMAZING in 1vX
but yeah arena is also good. though duroks gives the reduction in healing and the staff is a good extra magicka.
torugs pact on my sword/shield also.
Only reason I dont use it is cause I dislike builds with a weakness... if your solo with this build your prob dead
7/7 light? what jewelry enchants? I think i got a good AoE tank build hit me up ill share it with you.
but yeah if you get warlock which would be best it would be 5 heavy 2 light
you will also want diease as the healing debuff from the armor and disease will stack meaning your enemies basically cant heal lolmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »7/7 light? what jewelry enchants? I think i got a good AoE tank build hit me up ill share it with you.
Is this the right place where I can share my theorycrafting ideas for my currently in development NB?
5-set Arch-mage.
5-set Arena.
2 rings of Cyrodiil light
Spell damage on the glyphs to mitigate the loss from siphoning attacks, which is necessary for sustain imo.
I like Arena too much to leave it out of a S&B build. It saves lives, like when you get that knock-down or fear or bitjabs lock.
Disclaimer, that's just only a paper concept. Still a noob when it comes to NBs
These are good sets to use for a NB tank build. I use these sets except for arena only because of a certain skill i cant live without using and i like it to be as cheap as possible. My build is a 7 light armor build that can block just as good as a heavy armor user. Yesterday at alessia bridge i charged into a zerg of reds and was putting out 2k+ dps... sadly didnt get it on vid. I was solo and was able to last around 56 seconds with a swarm of reds on me. I did like 110k dmg in total.
I think i took a screen shot of it but im at work on my laptop.
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✭Thechemicals wrote: »NB's are pretty powerful right now. One of them double stunned me off a stealth last night and my recap showed 3 attacks each one was 1015,1080,1100. I only had 3100 health so had no chance to retaliate. This was with 7 piece impenetrable too.
Was that me last nigh on chill by chance
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✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »no one can do 4400 damage to some one in pvp with 1 shot or even a few shots.
Yeah, they can.
If I target a vamp, with camo hunter on, flawless dawnbreaker on, from behind out of stealth with all of the other little tricks (©) hella weapon damage and stamina I can snipe with mark target for amounts just like that and some additional follow up damage.
Saying no one can do it, just because you can't?
That's not a reason.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...2
