I JUST DONT GET IT. WHY U HATE NBS SO MUCH

FluffiestOne · October 2014

You just suck if you can't kill as a nightblade. They are probably the only class that can kill me consistently. I love fear spam through block.

Palidon · October 2014

There have been hundreds of complaints about the raw deal NB are getting in this game. Constant nerfing of class skills, broken class skills ZOS says they are going to fix yet have done nothing and the list can go on. Problem is ZOS is not listening to the complaints which in my opinion are totally justified. They could care less. If they were listening, there would be no changes forthcoming to anything that effects the NB class and skill lines. When they nerf stealth and critical strikes then they destroy a NB effectively using a Bow and destroy the Assassination and Shadow skill lines along with the change. How does ZOS expect a NB to play effectively when a majority of its class skills are broken and not working as intended coupled with the constant nerfing of the NB's other class skills or skills related to their style of game play that they depend on. That in a nutshell will make a NB totally ineffective and useless. As for me my decision has been made. Since I will not be able to play a NB the way the class was intended to be played with all the restrictions that have been imposed by ZOS along with the many broken class skill lines I am cancelling my sub. To those NB players who have decided to stick it out with ZOS I wish you the best. Hopefully ZOS will wake up and smell the roses eventually.

Nijjion · October 2014

I like how people whining about nerfs to NBs... like they are the only class to have ever had them in ESO.

Also sneak damage nerf hurts everyone not just NBs that some people seem to be sounding on here.

Maulkin · October 2014

Nijjion wrote: »

I like how people whining about nerfs to NBs... like they are the only class to have ever had them in ESO.

I'm actually curious, what nerfs did they have? I don't follow the NB updates closely so I don't know.

But please don't tell me about the Night Silence + Vamprisim nerf when it's got nothing to do with NBs in particular. Talking about NB class skill or passives.

Poxheart · October 2014

Shiv wrote: »

Now playing stealth assassin type class for anyone who has played them regularly in most other MMo's meant class canon kills and if you are not fast enough you die normally targetting healers in the backfield and hoping to escape.

This is generally true.

Shiv wrote: »

That being said the first thing ESO did wrong is make everyone a caster with a sub if you want it in melee, check the abilities there isnt one finishing or true opening ability in the NB stamina line dual wield, almost every ability requires magicka to some extent to be truly effective at what we are supposed to be able to do.

Do you even play this game? What, exactly, is the "NB stamina line dual wield?" All Nightblade skill lines are magicka based. In fact, ALL class skills are magicka based. I'm not even sure why I bothered reading the rest of your post...

Shiv wrote: »

Yes you can two-hand or sword and board BUT again true Assassin type charecter setups were dual wield and bow with that BOW was the only viable stamina solution given to NB's to be absolutely effective in the Range PVP war this game has become.

Get out of here with that "true Assassin type characters" only use dual wield & bow malarky. True assassin type players select the skills/gear they need to kill people fast and they change their play style to adapt to changes made in the game (by the developers or their opponents). It's not Zenimax' fault that you are locked into a stereotype and are too stubborn to change.

Erock25 · October 2014

Palidon wrote: »

There have been hundreds of complaints about the raw deal NB are getting in this game. Constant nerfing of class skills, broken class skills ZOS says they are going to fix yet have done nothing and the list can go on. Problem is ZOS is not listening to the complaints which in my opinion are totally justified. They could care less. If they were listening, there would be no changes forthcoming to anything that effects the NB class and skill lines. When they nerf stealth and critical strikes then they destroy a NB effectively using a Bow and destroy the Assassination and Shadow skill lines along with the change. How does ZOS expect a NB to play effectively when a majority of its class skills are broken and not working as intended coupled with the constant nerfing of the NB's other class skills or skills related to their style of game play that they depend on. That in a nutshell will make a NB totally ineffective and useless. As for me my decision has been made. Since I will not be able to play a NB the way the class was intended to be played with all the restrictions that have been imposed by ZOS along with the many broken class skill lines I am cancelling my sub. To those NB players who have decided to stick it out with ZOS I wish you the best. Hopefully ZOS will wake up and smell the roses eventually.

It scares me that this person actually believes what they are typing. 5-10% less sneak dmg is going to destroy the whole class, is it?

Soulac · October 2014

- most melee dmg
- best CC in game (fear)
- the little brother of purge (cloak)
- strongest dot
- best support AoE ability
- best ressource gain
- best out of sneak dmg
- very high mobility
- nice Armor and spell resi boosts
- one of the best ultimates in PvP
- did I mention the skill fear?
- possible to be rly good at range without using a staff or bow
- etc.

And you want to tell me that Sneak dmg is the only good thing as a NB?
Everyday I get flames about fear or my high Dps in melee range.
If they gonna change Harness Magicka with 1.5 no other class is able to get as much resources as us.
I'm able to build up over 13k Magicka and 10k Stamina in a Solo Fight (every minute) without Harness Magicka. (in theory)
Just saying..

Nb is totally fine even with that 'nerf'.

Ifthir_ESO · October 2014

Nijjion wrote: »

I like how people whining about nerfs to NBs... like they are the only class to have ever had them in ESO.

Also sneak damage nerf hurts everyone not just NBs that some people seem to be sounding on here.

I totally disagree. Nightblades are the only class with no class-specific shield. Sorcs get hardened ward, Templars get blazing shield, and DK's have fragmented/igneous.

NB lack of class-based shield is currently offset by their high burst damage. If you nerf stealth damage, you nerf their burst damage. If you nerf NB burst damage, you nerf the main thing they had offsetting the fact that they have no class-based shields. This means they are even worse off than they are now.

Worse, with everyone shield stacking, you can't punch through shields easy even as it stands right now. I literally watch every day as sorcs/dks/Templars tank 6+ people by rotating immovable/shields so they can't be cc'd. They just rotate shields/immovable/heal.

If I can't punch through that now with stealth bonus, how am I going to do it without that bonus? Health pools are getting larger as the game progresses, not smaller. I fear this game is heading on the path of other recent MMO's where infinite sustain builds eventually rule the world because no one can burst DPS them enough to kill them.

Either give NB mark the ability to ignore 75% of shields, give NB a class-based shield, or stop letting everyone else stacks shields while they have immovable up with no light armor.

Palidon · October 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

Palidon wrote: »

There have been hundreds of complaints about the raw deal NB are getting in this game. Constant nerfing of class skills, broken class skills ZOS says they are going to fix yet have done nothing and the list can go on. Problem is ZOS is not listening to the complaints which in my opinion are totally justified. They could care less. If they were listening, there would be no changes forthcoming to anything that effects the NB class and skill lines. When they nerf stealth and critical strikes then they destroy a NB effectively using a Bow and destroy the Assassination and Shadow skill lines along with the change. How does ZOS expect a NB to play effectively when a majority of its class skills are broken and not working as intended coupled with the constant nerfing of the NB's other class skills or skills related to their style of game play that they depend on. That in a nutshell will make a NB totally ineffective and useless. As for me my decision has been made. Since I will not be able to play a NB the way the class was intended to be played with all the restrictions that have been imposed by ZOS along with the many broken class skill lines I am cancelling my sub. To those NB players who have decided to stick it out with ZOS I wish you the best. Hopefully ZOS will wake up and smell the roses eventually.

It scares me that this person actually believes what they are typing. 5-10% less sneak dmg is going to destroy the whole class, is it?

" How does ZOS expect a NB to play effectively when a majority of its class skills are broken and not working as intended coupled with the constant nerfing of the NB's other class skills or skills related to their style of game play that they depend on."

obviously you did not read the above the statement that was included in the original post. It has nothing to do with sneak damage. However, the upcoming sneak nerf will further weaken an already broken class skill line. In the future read and understand what is being said before making a useless comment. And I will bet you don't even play as a Nightblade yet have a comment to make. In other words Mr. Know It All. Give me a break.

Columba · October 2014

Poxheart wrote: »

Shiv wrote: »

Now playing stealth assassin type class for anyone who has played them regularly in most other MMo's meant class canon kills and if you are not fast enough you die normally targetting healers in the backfield and hoping to escape.

This is generally true.

Shiv wrote: »

That being said the first thing ESO did wrong is make everyone a caster with a sub if you want it in melee, check the abilities there isnt one finishing or true opening ability in the NB stamina line dual wield, almost every ability requires magicka to some extent to be truly effective at what we are supposed to be able to do.

Do you even play this game? What, exactly, is the "NB stamina line dual wield?" All Nightblade skill lines are magicka based. In fact, ALL class skills are magicka based. I'm not even sure why I bothered reading the rest of your post...

Get out of here with that "true Assassin type characters" only use dual wield & bow malarky. True assassin type players select the skills/gear they need to kill people fast and they change their play style to adapt to changes made in the game (by the developers or their opponents). It's not Zenimax' fault that you are locked into a stereotype and are too stubborn to change.

actually, most of the dual weild skills are stamina based.

Erock25 · October 2014

Palidon wrote: »

When they nerf stealth and critical strikes then they destroy a NB effectively using a Bow and destroy the Assassination and Shadow skill lines along with the change.

Lawl^

Palidon wrote: »

How does ZOS expect a NB to play effectively when a majority of its class skills are broken and not working as intended coupled with the constant nerfing of the NB's other class skills or skills related to their style of game play that they depend on. That in a nutshell will make a NB totally ineffective and useless.

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

Palidon wrote: »

As for me my decision has been made. Since I will not be able to play a NB the way the class was intended to be played with all the restrictions that have been imposed by ZOS along with the many broken class skill lines I am cancelling my sub. To those NB players who have decided to stick it out with ZOS I wish you the best. Hopefully ZOS will wake up and smell the roses eventually.

Can I have your stuff?

Durham · October 2014

Personally all damage needs to be scaled down in pvp.. I would not mind seeing a health 650 buff to pvp replacing the 500 which is obsolete afters damage increases.....

Poxheart · October 2014

Columba wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Shiv wrote: »

Now playing stealth assassin type class for anyone who has played them regularly in most other MMo's meant class canon kills and if you are not fast enough you die normally targetting healers in the backfield and hoping to escape.

This is generally true.

Shiv wrote: »

That being said the first thing ESO did wrong is make everyone a caster with a sub if you want it in melee, check the abilities there isnt one finishing or true opening ability in the NB stamina line dual wield, almost every ability requires magicka to some extent to be truly effective at what we are supposed to be able to do.

Do you even play this game? What, exactly, is the "NB stamina line dual wield?" All Nightblade skill lines are magicka based. In fact, ALL class skills are magicka based. I'm not even sure why I bothered reading the rest of your post...

Get out of here with that "true Assassin type characters" only use dual wield & bow malarky. True assassin type players select the skills/gear they need to kill people fast and they change their play style to adapt to changes made in the game (by the developers or their opponents). It's not Zenimax' fault that you are locked into a stereotype and are too stubborn to change.

actually, most of the dual weild skills are stamina based.

Please re-read the bold font section of the original post and my quote and then tell me where I can find this Nightblade specific dual wield stamina skill line.

No complaints about Lowbie in zone chat from you until you do.

Gilvoth · October 2014

maybe zenimax will change thier ways and begin to atleast acknowledge thier is a class imbalance in eso, and start to help increase the damage output and survivability of the duel wield stamina based nightblades.
i strugle daily with this, and im being hopefull.

kijima · October 2014

Nothing wrong with the state of NB's now.

At Beta and early game, yes NB's were stupidly broken but those days are over now.

Bouvin · October 2014

Still haven't fixed Cloak. Now nerfing bows. Nuff said.

Guess it's time to just roll a DK..pretty much it'll all be DKs in Cyrodil and balance will finally be achieved.

Father · October 2014

I got to admit NB is not easy to play, but its the most fun class like it or not.
Magicka with a stick and a dress setup is effective but boring.
Sneak/steath dmg for me was a perk, but my build was never built around it.
Probably Devs nerfed steath dmg due to weapon buffs specialy bow's lethal arrow since its spammable now.

Sypher · October 2014

I

NB

http://www.twitch.tv/sypherpk/c/5366738

Yolokin_Swagonborn · October 2014

ITT: people pretending that stunlock (with full stamina reserves) does not exist.

cazlonb16_ESO · October 2014

Palidon wrote: »

" How does ZOS expect a NB to play effectively when a majority of its class skills are broken and not working as intended coupled with the constant nerfing of the NB's other class skills or skills related to their style of game play that they depend on."

obviously you did not read the above the statement that was included in the original post.

Or chose to ignore it because it's utter bs...As plenty of NB players in this and the myriad of other ridiculous whine thread have been telling you people.

Father · October 2014

People keep crying cause they want to block and cc break and damage at same time.

Jabbar · October 2014

Isbilen wrote: »

Great idea, have Zenimax play and see how even a VR14 heavy armor DK is killed by a lethal arrow, heavy attack and venom arrow all hitting in less than a second from a person they couldn't even see.

Hey bro, are these your Q's?

QQ

Desdemonte · October 2014

I find it funny how people pipe in about stealth damage not just being a NB nerf and that all classes use stealth. Sounds like a company line to me lol. How many classes have stealth as a part of their skill lines? How many non NBs actually play a "stealth" build?

Maybe instead of nerffing an important "class" fundamental, they should stop buffing bows?

Erock25 · October 2014

I have vampire entirely for stealth speed passive for my Sorc sooooo yeah. Love to sneak up on people and Uppercut. You're still getting stealth bonus dmg even after the nerf and your stealth passives are still going to work. I find it funny you pipe in to add more whining. Your stealth attacks on all those deer are way OP and need nerf.

Rune_Relic · October 2014

How can anyone with no stamina sneak at all. That troubles me deeply. lol

Desdemonte · October 2014

I'm not whining- I don't think the change to stealth damage will make much difference, but this is another case of ZOS throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also continues to set a disturbing precedent. The problem is th FOTM stealth Snipe macroing people are doing. So they nerf stealth damage and continue to buff bows. I use a bow. I use stealth. I am a NB and their actions just don't make sense to me.

Maulkin · October 2014

Desdemonte wrote: »

I'm not whining- I don't think the change to stealth damage will make much difference, but this is another case of ZOS throwing the baby out with the bath water. It also continues to set a disturbing precedent. The problem is th FOTM stealth Snipe macroing people are doing. So they nerf stealth damage and continue to buff bows. I use a bow. I use stealth. I am a NB and their actions just don't make sense to me.

That's alright, they make absolute sense to the rest of us.

It's normal to complain when you're losing you OP toy, happens to a lot of people. Doing 4.4k dmg in 1 sec from stealth might suit your fine but for everyone else who plays this game, it's not cool.

Araxleon · October 2014

One thing that would open sooo many doors for all NB builds would be mirage getting a buff and NB getting more misschance.
I love NB and my playstyle for it but alot of the "other" NB builds are weak due to the amount of damage we take more miss chance could fix that. My builds survivablity doesn't even use NB skills.
Some ideas I have.
Shadow Cloak:(Acutally gives us our invisibility no matter what) spaming it will cause it to cost more.
Blur: 30% miss chance for 20 secs.
Haste: every 4th ability casted is free.
Agony: keep it the same but enemys cant CC break it and it breaks on damage or when time runs out.
Path of Darkness: while in path you have immunity to snares and roots.
Just some ideas that would help out all NB.

Ifthir_ESO · October 2014

Stamina build is so bad for PvP imo but w/e.

Mages have been crying about getting hit hard since PvP was invented, in every game I have ever played, the mages cried they get killed fast.

I blame Elminster, Raistlin Majere, and Gandalf

Maulkin · October 2014

Araxleon wrote: »

One thing that would open sooo many doors for all NB builds would be mirage getting a buff and NB getting more misschance.
I love NB and my playstyle for it but alot of the "other" NB builds are weak due to the amount of damage we take more miss chance could fix that. My builds survivablity doesn't even use NB skills.
Some ideas I have.
Shadow Cloak:(Acutally gives us our invisibility no matter what) spaming it will cause it to cost more.
Blur: 30% miss chance for 20 secs.
Haste: every 4th ability casted is free.
Agony: keep it the same but enemys cant CC break it and it breaks on damage or when time runs out.
Path of Darkness: while in path you have immunity to snares and roots.
Just some ideas that would help out all NB.

What the hell man? I thought you were a duelling officer too.

Blur: 30% miss chance for 20 secs? 30% is way too high for the duration. There's already Evasion that offers 15% dodge (better than miss, as it affects PvE bosses too). It's also a cheap stamina skill for stam NBs. Magicka NBs are absolutely fine and need no buffs.

Shadow Cloak: I'm all for not being detectable by potions while Cloaked, but you have to pop out on AoE dmg. Otherwise it's a guaranteed escape. Even Bolt Escape is not a guaranteed escape as you can get shot down by arrows or caught with gap closers.

Haste: Fine, but no sure how it adds anything considering how little skills cost once you're spec'd for that.

Agony: I'm sorry but whoever suggests that this game needs unbreakable CC needs to look in the mirror and hang his head in shame.

Path of Darkness: Like a personal retreating manoeuvre? but even faster? Hmm, maybe but with limitations.