Great idea, have Zenimax play and see how even a VR14 heavy armor DK is killed by a lethal arrow, heavy attack and venom arrow all hitting in less than a second from a person they couldn't even see.

The sneak attack nerf could be it for me. I'm doing a ton of testing on MOBs right now and writing down my damage...with and without mark target. heavy attacks from stealth, shield slam from stealth, ambush from stealth, veiled strike from stealth.

When this patch goes live, if this damage drops by more than 3%, I'm out.

oren74 wrote: »

The sneak attack nerf could be it for me. I'm doing a ton of testing on MOBs right now and writing down my damage...with and without mark target. heavy attacks from stealth, shield slam from stealth, ambush from stealth, veiled strike from stealth.

When this patch goes live, if this damage drops by more than 3%, I'm out.

its against players in pvp, not mobbs in pve.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Cloak has never been acknowledged as fixed. In fact, the last ZOS Twitch stream mentioned how Cloak was still not entirely fixed yet.

Catapults have nothing to do with Nightblades specifically.

Nightblades are a class that require more effort than say a Dragon Knight to reach a certain result (kill people), but with some practice a Nightblade will be stronger overall, due to their high versatility and some truly great skills.

no.

take it from someone that has played every class: no

Manoekin wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Cloak has never been acknowledged as fixed. In fact, the last ZOS Twitch stream mentioned how Cloak was still not entirely fixed yet.

Catapults have nothing to do with Nightblades specifically.

Nightblades are a class that require more effort than say a Dragon Knight to reach a certain result (kill people), but with some practice a Nightblade will be stronger overall, due to their high versatility and some truly great skills.

no.

take it from someone that has played every class: no

I know quite a few great NB's that will wreck pretty much anyone. You're just bad.

I'm glad someone said it.

MrGhosty wrote: »

From my perspective, the stealth attacks can be countered but nothing I've tried saves me from being pinned in place and destroyed.

I'll state the obvious and say dodge rolling. if you're always too low on stam to roll, you might want to adjust your build/playstyle to give more regen or use less stam. Alternatively you can spend your magicka to purge or cast damage shields on yourself.

There are few things in this game without counters that I've come across

Arowe_eso wrote: »

There are few things in this game without counters that I've come across

lag is one

Then why not adjust bow. Why the total nerf. I understand the bow is way too powerful. Fix bow not nerf everything else. Also there are some occasions where you get locked in place and nothing helps. Not sure if this is a bug or what but it does sometimes happen.

Sneak damage is too high, if you can't see that, then I'm sorry but you're stupid.

Like others have said, there are extremely good NBs out there that will wreck just about anything, both magicka and stamina based.

Please continue to buff Nightblades, Krim does not steamroll hard enough, we need more.

milthalas wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

I Nightblade.

welcome to the brotherhood dear..... what gender is your NB? bah. ill just call you brother.

Pretty sure he means he loves to kill nightblades.

No.. I love Playing a Nightblade

Shiv wrote: »

1. casted shield stacking
2. 360 blocking without a shield
3. Impulse batswarm train
4. Broken abilities and combos making people 1vX groups.
5. Bow damage overrall

all these other things could have and should have been looked at before
nerfing a assassin type charecters Truly Main and sigularly unique ability wholesale.

GG i guess ill finish levelling up my sorc and become LA/Staff wielder like ZOS seems to want everyone to be.

I started out playing an NB (DW Bow, i had the same expectations) and have rerolled sorc. There isnt too huge of a difference in general power, i just found myself more suited to the sorc playstyle. I agree there are balance issues in this game, but it seems the often derided ones are overrated or misunderstood.

1. This is a tricky issue. What overwrites what? Either way you put the order you make players with builds dependant on a damage shield effect susceptible to barrier/obsidian shield *** up your intended build. And regardless, the biggest issue with shield stacking is being fixed. You no longer get mitigation for other casted shields from annulment, and soon the magicka return will be practically non-existent. After the patch its just going to be a big shield that only works against what the game clasifies as 'spells'

2. 360 blocking and blocking while using an instant cast exist the way they because were it 180 and the block buff fell of for the .5 seconds your casting life and death would become incredibly latency dependant. I dont think you'll find a PvPer that has never experienced a 1sec+ delay from keypress to action

3. Taking a keep forces people into small areas, lots of people in confined space is where AoE shines. Yes its annoying to see/face, but it isnt unbeatable, and its logical for a group whos goal is to take keeps to have aoe heavy builds.

4. Some synergies between skills are strong, yes. Alot of the extreme cases you see with a 1v20, the person tanking has made sacrifices to their build for the sake of survivability. Just like those with gank/duel oriented builds have to sacrifice AoE strength which would suit them in keep taking ventures.

5. I personally think that overall bows got buffed. Snipe with a lower cast time is now comparable to crystal shards, except instead of CC (which is blockable) it has the healing debuff (isnt blockable AFAIK) and destroys tanks. I keep bringing this up but, the across the board stealth dmg nerf allows room for the NB stealth passive to be buffed without making them incredibly overpowered.