Molag Bal vent

MornaBaine · October 2014

I also have an epic thread of Molag Bal whining because he was seriously kicking my arse all over the place. People here were wonderful though and were really helpful with offering strats. I am also a Destro Staff mage. And here's what it came down to in the end: MOVE. Stay out of red, kite like mad, settle in and realize this is going to be, hands down, the LONGEST fight you have yet encountered. THAT was the part that was seriously throwing me. I just couldn't really believe that's what it came down to. I found this fight NOT FUN AT ALL! I will probably not do it on any of my alts until I'm at least VR5...maybe not even then. LOL You CAN cash port out so I seriously suggest you do that and go address any armor deficiencies you may have, stock up on potions to keep your health and magicka up, then go back and start over. Yeah, I did that three times.

So just realize that it's going to take a loooooong time as far as fights go and do it when you are prepared to settle in and deal with it. It SUCKS but it's do-able.

Gythral · October 2014

Biggest issue with this fight is understanding that it is NOT a DPS race, He does not heal, so as long as you stay alive, you will win.
Use whatever you can to heal if hit, use a siphon, light attacks and keep moving.
The titans, 'block' one shots then, so the rest is just dont stand where Molag Bal is going to jump and dont get hit by the fireballs at the end..

It really is 'kill by a million nicks' not nuke him!!!
It's just so damned boring kiting a 'god' for the length of time the fight took!

JD2013 · October 2014

I beat him without critical surge, however I was using the Dark Exchange ability.

Keep moving. Block. Avoid his AOE attacks. The other people here are right, it's a fight of endurance and not DPS fury.

Use a storm atronach to distract him if you can. Or a Clannfear.

Keep at it. You can do it!

AlienSlof · October 2014

I'm in the same position as the OP - an oldie with disability. Left over from a stroke a few years back, my hands have lost much of their strength and dexterity, and don't always respond properly to what's left of my brain. This means that I'm clumsy, I get stuck on rubble and other debris in the area, I can't get away fast enough, etc.

But I have to ask - what exactly is the point of the 5 companions if they can't do this together? OK, one becomes unavailable in the run-up to the Bal fight, but what about the other 3? Why can't they be there helping out, if only to distract the big guy while I spell on him from behind? Why am I stuck doing this on my own?

I don't want to see Mr Bal nerfed, and much of the advice and vids I've watched are very good, but my poor hands let me down. Why is it this game has so much 'forced' solo? 10 years ago, I could have done this fight easily, but not now.

I finally gave up and my main guy is now just making armour and weapons for up and coming characters. What a let-down for him. I enjoy the questing and levelling from 1 to 50, but my chances of seeing any veteran content are currently nil.

Tabbycat · October 2014

I have nerve damage in my left hand so I feel for you guys with any type of disability. I did beat Molag Bal on the PTS before the game went live and I did learn a few things after that I'd wish I'd known before.

You can block the Titans.

As a Sorc, make sure you take spells that are instant cast. You can't sit still long enough to do anything that has a cast time.

Take plenty of healing potions. If you can get the ones that restore health and magicka at the same time, use them instead.

You don't need soul gems. You can rez without them just fine. Don't waste your soul gems on this encounter.

Keep the resto staff in hand. Buff yourself with mutagen before the fight. Use the ground circle larger heal to run through and heal yourself as needed.

Stay on the move, dodge roll and sprint when he leaps at you.

Pop him with spells, use your resto staff on him when you can.

Pets won't help much other than make him mad and use up your magicka so don't even bother with them. Molag Bal one shots your pets. They don't get the buff.

R1ckyDaMan · October 2014

Curragraigue wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

kewl wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

kewl wrote: »

Try to attain VR2 or 3 before the fight.

Umm wow. If this would be requirement or need for this fight it would really mean it needs nerf, which it doesn't.

It is not. These are just suggestions that might make it easier for the OP. No need to be condescending.

I was under the impression you had to beat him to advance to vr ranks...

You have to hit VR to be offered the quest to fight Molag. Once you hit VR you can go to Crag by picking up the quest in the second zone capital city so it is doable to get to VR2 or VR3 before the fight.

Then why did I do the quest at lvl 49.... then levelled to 50 before speaking to cadwell, then it made me vet 1...

Syntse · October 2014

AlienSlof wrote: »

But I have to ask - what exactly is the point of the 5 companions if they can't do this together? OK, one becomes unavailable in the run-up to the Bal fight, but what about the other 3? Why can't they be there helping out, if only to distract the big guy while I spell on him from behind? Why am I stuck doing this on my own?

There's only one Amulet of Kings. Molag would crush the companions in second. It's solo fight so you can be the Hero who is immediately forgotten as you continue to VR zones

WyndStryke · October 2014

Skulbow wrote: »

... I also understand that you do play this battle so differently and that is what I having trouble with, surviving long enough. I take a health food (263 extra for 35 mins) and sometimes I am able to get in a health potion but trying to dodge and fight and take potions is difficult. ...

I had read about this fight in advance so I was a bit worried about it (I'm not a good player LOL) - I set up my char for endurance & regeneration (for example, using drink instead of food), and it turned out to be relatively easy, got him on the first attempt. Sure it was a long fight but I kept running away from the red, killing the titans as soon as they appeared, and eventually he died.

Nestor · October 2014

My advice is the same as most in this thread.

1. Keep Moving
2. Spam Light Attacks
3. Self Heal

Your not going to kill him fast, just keep moving backwards and spam light attacks. Heavy attacks will slow you down. I used a Bow on my Sorcerer to take him out, and on my NB. My DK got up close and dodged around alot. But in all cases, it was whittling him down with light attacks.

One time I got cocky when he was down to like 20% health and started heavy attacks to finish him off quickly. Nope, that just finished me off quickly. Just wear him down as you keep moving and you will prevail.

On my Sorcerer I use Boundless Storm (for the move speed increase) and Surge (to augment attacks) and that was it. Other than a hotkeyed health potion that I would drink whenever I could.

MikeBob · October 2014

The idea of going toe-to-toe with Molag Bal intimidated me so much that I actually put off finishing that quest for a couple of weeks.

Then I found this really helpful video on YouTube.

I beat him on my first attempt (which I never dreamed would be possible).

Don't give up and GL.

EDIT P/S:

For those of you who have to play one-handed (for whatever reason) - I do also (due to paralysis in my right arm).

You can do this!

Don't give up!

MornaBaine · October 2014

You know, I don't even see anyone saying, "This was a really fun fight, I just loved it!" Hmmmm... I feel a poll coming on...

MornaBaine · October 2014

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'm in the same position as the OP - an oldie with disability. Left over from a stroke a few years back, my hands have lost much of their strength and dexterity, and don't always respond properly to what's left of my brain. This means that I'm clumsy, I get stuck on rubble and other debris in the area, I can't get away fast enough, etc.

But I have to ask - what exactly is the point of the 5 companions if they can't do this together? OK, one becomes unavailable in the run-up to the Bal fight, but what about the other 3? Why can't they be there helping out, if only to distract the big guy while I spell on him from behind? Why am I stuck doing this on my own?

I don't want to see Mr Bal nerfed, and much of the advice and vids I've watched are very good, but my poor hands let me down. Why is it this game has so much 'forced' solo? 10 years ago, I could have done this fight easily, but not now.

I finally gave up and my main guy is now just making armour and weapons for up and coming characters. What a let-down for him. I enjoy the questing and levelling from 1 to 50, but my chances of seeing any veteran content are currently nil.

Aren't you the one whose son also plays? Give him your account info and have him log in and do the fight for you so you can move on and start playing the VR content.

AlienSlof · October 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'm in the same position as the OP - an oldie with disability. Left over from a stroke a few years back, my hands have lost much of their strength and dexterity, and don't always respond properly to what's left of my brain. This means that I'm clumsy, I get stuck on rubble and other debris in the area, I can't get away fast enough, etc.

But I have to ask - what exactly is the point of the 5 companions if they can't do this together? OK, one becomes unavailable in the run-up to the Bal fight, but what about the other 3? Why can't they be there helping out, if only to distract the big guy while I spell on him from behind? Why am I stuck doing this on my own?

I don't want to see Mr Bal nerfed, and much of the advice and vids I've watched are very good, but my poor hands let me down. Why is it this game has so much 'forced' solo? 10 years ago, I could have done this fight easily, but not now.

I finally gave up and my main guy is now just making armour and weapons for up and coming characters. What a let-down for him. I enjoy the questing and levelling from 1 to 50, but my chances of seeing any veteran content are currently nil.

Aren't you the one whose son also plays? Give him your account info and have him log in and do the fight for you so you can move on and start playing the VR content.

No, that's not me - I don't have any children.

If I did though, that's the best use for one yet!

Ysne58 · October 2014

I have gotten through this fight on one character. I still believe the main, mages and fighters guild quests should allow us to bring one friend along. I'm disabled too by the way.

MornaBaine · October 2014

AlienSlof wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Aren't you the one whose son also plays? Give him your account info and have him log in and do the fight for you so you can move on and start playing the VR content.

No, that's not me - I don't have any children.

If I did though, that's the best use for one yet!

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Okay, right there with ya! Well hopefully you can find a trustworthy friend at some point to do the fight for you. You could also possibly simply call customer service and see if they can just auto-complete the quest for you. You pay for this game after all and I'm pretty sure they aren't going to get a flood of calls from people pretending to have disabilities so they can skip content they are supposedly paying to experience. I would HOPE ZoS would be willing to help you out on this.

Nestor · October 2014

Skulbow wrote: »

My spells and ultimates seem useless now. I am a sorcerer using a destruction staff and

I used a Bow on my Sorcerer. See this thread, for some excellent ideas on how to handle this fight

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/132488/noob-vs-molag-bal-hes-down/p1

bosmern_ESO · October 2014

Have you tried switching up your bar, using a new set? When I first fought Him on my NB I stayed as far away as possible because If I let him get to close and hit me I could have easily died (my armor was badly damaged). If you can and even if its against your build try doing/using something you wouldn't normally do. I know sorcs get an ability that trades Stamina for Health and Magicka, that could help you survive.

Also may want to try using your pets to pull aggro off you, even for a short time.

AngryNord · October 2014

Ysne58 wrote: »

I have gotten through this fight on one character. I still believe the main, mages and fighters guild quests should allow us to bring one friend along. I'm disabled too by the way.

At least they should make the companions actually USEFUL. They're supposed to be the mightiest warriors in Tamriel, and they're like level 10? WTF is up with that? They should be level 50 with all skills maxed IMO.

Xeres14 · October 2014

I did the Molag Bal fight twice this weekend. Here's a few tips which I found useful:

1. Block. His melee swings hurt. Even the regular ones. This isn't a DPS race fight. Slow steady, blocking occasionally and using either heavy or light attacks is the way to go.
2. As soon as MB jumps, keep moving in one direction until he lands. You'll get out of the landing AOE "circle".
3. For the adds, light quick hitting attacks is the way to go, block if you need to.
4. When he starts doing the meteor type attacks, keep circle-strafing. You'll rarely get hit doing this.

Syntse · October 2014

Xeres14 wrote: »

3. For the adds, light quick hitting attacks is the way to go, block if you need to.

Or make it simpler just hold block until they kill themselves, because their fireballs just bounce back at them from the block.

Pmarsico9 · October 2014

Mannimarco is ultimately a tougher fight, imo.

Molag Bal rewards completely defensive game play. Put a resto staff on, keep ward on yourself and heal and just slowly whittle him down with heavy resto staff attacks.

MornaBaine · October 2014

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

Mannimarco is ultimately a tougher fight, imo.

Molag Bal rewards completely defensive game play. Put a resto staff on, keep ward on yourself and heal and just slowly whittle him down with heavy resto staff attacks.

And yet Mannimarco was a cakewalk for me compared to Molag Bal. Nailed him in one go, glass cannon destruction staff sorcerer. Ballsy had me ready to uninstall. Go figure.

Nestor · October 2014

AngryNord wrote: »

At least they should make the companions actually USEFUL. They're supposed to be the mightiest warriors in Tamriel, and they're like level 10?

They can't die. No NPC that the game assigns you can die, so you use them to pull aggro on an enemy so you can recover or set up an attack. Still, they will never kill anything either, but at least they can keep things occupied for you.

Koga · October 2014

OP the fight is definitely doable, i did it on my destro / resto sorc the week of early release when he was still bugged and before they nurfed him.

Other than the good advised already provided here, i would remind you to use block on his frontal atack if you cant avoid it. and specially on the titans, even with a staff it mitigates some damage and it reflects the tiatans fireballs at them.

Kewl that is a nice build almost identical to what i use. I would sugest swaping your ulties to the oposite bars a flawless dawnbrakers increases your weopon damage for crushing shock light attack combo.

Surfinginhawaii · October 2014

Just like the other posters, I: hit, ran and avoided the red circles. Good luck!

jwebbmoore_ESO · October 2014

I admit that until yesterday, I thought this was way too difficult. I had read all the stuff and watch all the videos but the results were always the same. I was a medium armor dw Night Blade. Finally a helpful GM got it through my thick head that I needed to use Roll/Dodge. I had rarely used it, and it was not part of my normal routine. After trying it out with Molag and dying a few more times I got the hang of it and could see how it helped me stay away from him.

Basically, I kited him around the lake, hitting him with Swallow Soul and moving and dodging. At one point I was at one end of the lake and he was at the other. As he crouched to jump I did a forward roll/dodge and found my self directly behind him with him facing away. Hit him with my best dps combo, Swallow Soul then rolled forward past him as he turned and headed to the other end dodging as I went, then was able to repeat that situation 3 more times and he was dead.

Other Thoughts:

1. I used a Stamina Regen Drink at start.
2. I had a stack of combo Health/Stamina Pots.
3. You have to be aware where you are. I died times trying this because I got stuck in a tree or rock and my dodge or movement was blocked.
4. You can kill him slowly just using Swallow Soul if you just stay out of his way and I never learned to do this until I started using the dodge/roll feature.
5. I tried mapping D/R to a key, but it only gave me one direction of movement. The double tab system gives you the ability to dodge/roll in any direction.

Thanks to the GM and the other posters who gave me enough info to finally get this done.