This will get closed right away, due to non allowed naming ... Better write a ticket.

I won't call it exploiting. I'd rather call it unworthy, illoyal, treacherous. And the one doing it an ***, a liar, a ***, a *** and a *** son of a ***

It's not an exploit, because an exploit is taking advantage of an unexpected/unwanted aspect of the game mechanics.

This is griefing though and is reportable as such. Playing as a DC character to gank other DC players is unsporting and is abuse.

I also would like to se a response from a mod.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_AlexD @ZOS_JasonLeavey

Emperor wrote: »

I would consider it a spy. We should be able to portray him on a stage in front of an audience and have the axe man cut off his head for all to see.

Where is Henry VIII. when you need him!

Emperor wrote: »

I would consider it a spy. We should be able to portray him on a stage in front of an audience and have the axe man cut off his head for all to see.

The concept of a spy is a difficult one. Having a friend roll a character in the opposing alliance to report on attack plans and "troop movements" seems like it would be acceptable to me, that's fairly realistic and now that we know it's happening measures can be taken to avoid revealing important data too early.

The problem with the idea of a spy is just like what is mentioned above. Leading opposing forces to your alliance's FC, or to where they are hiding, or picking up your alliance's scroll to take to your friends in the other alliance: all of these are serious violations of trust and the undermine the key ideas behind how PVP is supposed to work.

But it really is a problem of enforcement. There's nothing in the game as things are to prevent these things from happening and continuing to happen. And any correction to how PVP works would be needlessly complicated. So we're back to reporting players and that whole process...

What would we do to fix it? Best case I can see is allowing players to accuse other players of being spies. Once they hit enough reports they're kicked from Cyrodiil until their case is reviewed by GMs. There would have to be penalties for false reports or else every AD on Haderus would accuse Fixate of being a spy

I just don't know if there's a good solution.

Nestor wrote: »

Wait, the age old "send out some bait and lure them into a trap" tactic is being thought of as an Exploit? Armies have been doing this since the dawn of organized warfare.

I agree with you, but I think the real issue is that once we discover a spy, we can't attack him, boot him from the alliance, etc.

LOLOLOL Ragefist you gave me a good laugh there

milthalas wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

I would consider it a spy. We should be able to portray him on a stage in front of an audience and have the axe man cut off his head for all to see.

The concept of a spy is a difficult one. Having a friend roll a character in the opposing alliance to report on attack plans and "troop movements" seems like it would be acceptable to me, that's fairly realistic and now that we know it's happening measures can be taken to avoid revealing important data too early.

The problem with the idea of a spy is just like what is mentioned above. Leading opposing forces to your alliance's FC, or to where they are hiding, or picking up your alliance's scroll to take to your friends in the other alliance: all of these are serious violations of trust and the undermine the key ideas behind how PVP is supposed to work.

But it really is a problem of enforcement. There's nothing in the game as things are to prevent these things from happening and continuing to happen. And any correction to how PVP works would be needlessly complicated. So we're back to reporting players and that whole process...

What would we do to fix it? Best case I can see is allowing players to accuse other players of being spies. Once they hit enough reports they're kicked from Cyrodiil until their case is reviewed by GMs. There would have to be penalties for false reports or else every AD on Haderus would accuse Fixate of being a spy

I just don't know if there's a good solution.

Dude.. it was a joke I know it would be very difficult to implement a player spy system. Would be pretty awesome though.

We had a certain person in our group that would act as bait in Cyrodiil. She would disrobe and dance just outside of Sejanus with all of us in stealth waiting to pounce. Hours of fun had there, and needless to say that drinking and many lols ensued.

We killed many people looking to take an easy kill themselves.

While not exactly the same as what the op is suggesting, as that sounds like a dog act, using bait is pretty common in Cyrodiil.

I call it war.
Not exploiting, this is what happens for real in a real war.

While i always hate when this happens, i would only consider as part of "realism" aspect in that area of gameplay.

Can easily happen in real war as well, not literally but consider it as high treason. Would be great if such actions would lead to be flagged as enemy player in justice system, that be great.

Oh well it seems that it has worked its self out..... Word has spread thru the server and the person I never mentioned in the original post pretty is much hated and cannot buy his way into a PvP raid group atm. (He was booted from a raid group this morning and now has become the DC social pariah).

Now all he does is *** and moan in zone chat calling everyone noobs.

Justice is served.