Red and Blue co-operating. I don't like it.

Stroggnonimus · October 2014

No idea what are you talking about, whenever I got to Thornblade (on EU server) DC and AD is ALWAYS cooperating, especially on yesterday evening when there was a massive army of both DC and AD attacking Pact's Arrius from different sides and that happens every single evening....

Trespasser · October 2014

If the OP was made in 1943:

"No Fair! The Germans and the Japanese are both our enemies, yet they work together! Call the War Police!"

ZOS_AlexD · October 2014

Hello everyone. We've moved this discussion to the Alliance War section as it is more appropriate. Thank you for your understanding.

Asgari · October 2014

Laggus wrote: »

They all turn on each other sooner or later!

But you see this wont happen because the DC guild and EP guild are both friends. We love to fight each other, but we enjoy AD blood even more.

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 · October 2014

As an AD PvP player I see nothing wrong with this even if I'm on and end up at my gate keep as I have no where left to go. All alliances are opportunists and when push comes to shove DC and EP despise one another as much as AD. When AD gets pushed back and put in it's place then they turn on one another and AD slowly takes back it's home keeps. This is a three alliance game and maybe sometimes it takes two to put the balance of power back in check and keep things competitive. Now if it were non-stop 24/7 during a campaign that might suck a bit $:\$

tagigan · October 2014

Stroggnonimus wrote: »

No idea what are you talking about, whenever I got to Thornblade (on EU server) DC and AD is ALWAYS cooperating, especially on yesterday evening when there was a massive army of both DC and AD attacking Pact's Arrius from different sides and that happens every single evening....

Two different factions attacking the same keep at the same time doesn't necessarily indicate co-operation, it's possibly just taking advantage of a situation.
When two different factions put their siege engines side by side and their players stand and defend side by side, that clearly indicates co-operation.
I, like a lot of other players don't belong to a guild or group, if I see someone from my faction being attacked I try and help, but if I can't rely on same faction players to assist me because of loyalty to a guild or group then that creates confusion. (at best)
Scenario: I show up at a keep under seige, my faction is present so I assist, I see another faction amongst ranks my first instinct is to attack and defend my faction players, The other faction eventually gets the *** and gang attack me. My faction stands by and lets that happen, no assistance. So i quit that faction and join the stand alone faction. Thats why on the map and sever I play on one faction is stronger than the others. Loyalty and confidence in the faction as a whole. It's not about numbers as often the map is full. Equal numbers on each faction.

tagigan · October 2014

Trespasser wrote: »

If the OP was made in 1943:

"No Fair! The Germans and the Japanese are both our enemies, yet they work together! Call the War Police!"

They never worked together. The japanese took advantage of a situation for their own ends. No co-operation with Germany. Never fought side by side and never in the same theatre at the same time.

Cody · October 2014

the campaign has been selfishly hoarded by AD for over two months. d*** right(I expect that curse word to be edited out. I really don't care at this point) EP and DC are going to double team you. I would expect no less from Dc and AD if it was EP that had hoarded it like that, same for DC

Observant · October 2014

DiE AD DiE - pun intended

tagigan · October 2014

The general consensus appears to me to be:
a: Yellow are too strong. It's their fault their successful.
b:We have to co-operate to be competitive. Even if it alienates the casual gamer. Who pays the same as everyone else and is entitled to respect as a player.
The saying"Two wrongs don't make a right" seems apt here.
If one faction dominates, the other factions need to review their strategies as a whole. Not run off into splinter groups and create anarchy and mistrust from within.
Saying a faction has caused you to act in a certain way is just creating excuses.
These are my personal opinions, I welcome your opinions as well as your right to have and say them.

Subtomik · October 2014

tagigan wrote: »

The general consensus appears to me to be:
a: Yellow are too strong. It's their fault their successful.
b:We have to co-operate to be competitive. Even if it alienates the casual gamer. Who pays the same as everyone else and is entitled to respect as a player.
The saying"Two wrongs don't make a right" seems apt here.
If one faction dominates, the other factions need to review their strategies as a whole. Not run off into splinter groups and create anarchy and mistrust from within.
Saying a faction has caused you to act in a certain way is just creating excuses.
These are my personal opinions, I welcome your opinions as well as your right to have and say them.

Easy solution to get perspective. Level an alt, only has to be to 10 for all I care, either DC or EP. See what the numbers look like skewed against you.

When one faction outnumbers the other 2 COMBINED, coordination is the only chance we have.

Asgari · October 2014

Subtomik wrote: »

tagigan wrote: »

The general consensus appears to me to be:
a: Yellow are too strong. It's their fault their successful.
b:We have to co-operate to be competitive. Even if it alienates the casual gamer. Who pays the same as everyone else and is entitled to respect as a player.
The saying"Two wrongs don't make a right" seems apt here.
If one faction dominates, the other factions need to review their strategies as a whole. Not run off into splinter groups and create anarchy and mistrust from within.
Saying a faction has caused you to act in a certain way is just creating excuses.
These are my personal opinions, I welcome your opinions as well as your right to have and say them.

Easy solution to get perspective. Level an alt, only has to be to 10 for all I care, either DC or EP. See what the numbers look like skewed against you.

When one faction outnumbers the other 2 COMBINED, coordination is the only chance we have.

Just like Subtomik stated without joining forces we just cant compete with the sheer number of AD on ESO. The unfortunate truth is that if you add both of the EP and DC factions it still doesnt equal the AD faction.

Those who have made alts on either DC or EP can see the difference. We dont have queue times and at most it is a 1min queue at 7 in line. I've yet to be able to understand AD's gripe with the DC and EP alliance that has been happing for the past few day.

Is a Raid of 12 No Mercy and however many Hijinx on Haderus such an issue? Its hilarious.

Minnesinger · October 2014

Have seen this happening before and I guess AD has been part of a similar alliance in some campaign and at some point (Blackwater for example). There is always issues. In my honest mind forming cross-alliances can go against the common principle of PvP. It is a bit like the famous "Grey Area" thing Zeni has introduced to us. Whether or not it is acceptable is based on each ones personal mind. No need to accept it is as good option as fighting alongside your enemies.

The big issue is the enemies within your own alliance. They are real pests that should be wiped off the map of Cyrodiil. As long as I can see the color of my enemy I am ok but when these "spies, traitors and trolls" work inside my own alliance it is against the whole PvP format.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

Oh, good grief.

There's a reason they allow cross factions to send /tells to each other to communicate. Specifically so we can coordinate against a foe. In the case of AD, especially on Haderus, the vast quantities of players we've having to face necessitates cooperation with anyone that's not AD.

You want the coordination to stop? Spread out to EP/DC and stop stacking in one faction. Help us make the populations even across the board and I'll go right back to stomping smurfs.

I'm from Bloodthorn, so is most of my guild. That I, of all people, would put aside my differences with DC should speak mightily to all of you.

Have a conversation with Hova, Prett, or Mimiron about exactly what it means to be a Bloodthorn original.

I like killing smurfs. I can spend all day at Chalman pounding blues into the dirt and be totally happy. I don't, though, because there's something more important to do.

Cody · October 2014

tagigan wrote: »

The general consensus appears to me to be:
a: Yellow are too strong. It's their fault their successful.
b:We have to co-operate to be competitive. Even if it alienates the casual gamer. Who pays the same as everyone else and is entitled to respect as a player.
The saying"Two wrongs don't make a right" seems apt here.
If one faction dominates, the other factions need to review their strategies as a whole. Not run off into splinter groups and create anarchy and mistrust from within.
Saying a faction has caused you to act in a certain way is just creating excuses.
These are my personal opinions, I welcome your opinions as well as your right to have and say them.

you have no idea how near to impossible it is to fight people that outnumber you 10:1, WITH an emperor/ress.

co-ordinating with another alliance IS reviewing our strategy, and its not anarchy. in fact, its the exact opposite of anarchy.

according to me you think the following:

1. its not fair that AD gets beat
2. if the alliance is not trying to steamroll you in a 1v1, then its not strategy.

you ever hear the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? its a very good saying to go by.

if your alliance is dominating by a huge margin, expect the other two to, at some point, take your alliance down.

Rooty · October 2014

Subtomik wrote: »

tagigan wrote: »

The general consensus appears to me to be:
a: Yellow are too strong. It's their fault their successful.
b:We have to co-operate to be competitive. Even if it alienates the casual gamer. Who pays the same as everyone else and is entitled to respect as a player.
The saying"Two wrongs don't make a right" seems apt here.
If one faction dominates, the other factions need to review their strategies as a whole. Not run off into splinter groups and create anarchy and mistrust from within.
Saying a faction has caused you to act in a certain way is just creating excuses.
These are my personal opinions, I welcome your opinions as well as your right to have and say them.

Easy solution to get perspective. Level an alt, only has to be to 10 for all I care, either DC or EP. See what the numbers look like skewed against you.

When one faction outnumbers the other 2 COMBINED, coordination is the only chance we have.

Nah, it's not the only chance. We can all crouch in one corner of a keep and spam each other with healing springs as we laugh hysterically at server strain.

Columba · October 2014

Non issue here. Move on.

Talcyndl · October 2014

tagigan wrote: »

Yes it is. The collaboration can only occur out of game.

You can whisper cross faction.

kijima · October 2014

@tagigan If you haven't had a hate tell from any form of opposition, then you aren't playing PvP hard enough.

I can assure you that you can do it.

tagigan · October 2014

Cody wrote: »

tagigan wrote: »

The general consensus appears to me to be:
a: Yellow are too strong. It's their fault their successful.
b:We have to co-operate to be competitive. Even if it alienates the casual gamer. Who pays the same as everyone else and is entitled to respect as a player.
The saying"Two wrongs don't make a right" seems apt here.
If one faction dominates, the other factions need to review their strategies as a whole. Not run off into splinter groups and create anarchy and mistrust from within.
Saying a faction has caused you to act in a certain way is just creating excuses.
These are my personal opinions, I welcome your opinions as well as your right to have and say them.

you have no idea how near to impossible it is to fight people that outnumber you 10:1, WITH an emperor/ress.

co-ordinating with another alliance IS reviewing our strategy, and its not anarchy. in fact, its the exact opposite of anarchy.

according to me you think the following:

1. its not fair that AD gets beat
2. if the alliance is not trying to steamroll you in a 1v1, then its not strategy.

you ever hear the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? its a very good saying to go by.

if your alliance is dominating by a huge margin, expect the other two to, at some point, take your alliance down.

I am not interested in what you think I think (because no one can know what I'm thinking better than me) or what you think of me.
I am interested in your opinion of the topic though.
And for the record I did start a new character in a new faction (see first post) and I suffered the fate described in the scenario.
Q: Is there an equal amount of spaces available on a map for each faction?

If there is, then when a map is showing a lock for all factions there is an equal numbers of players.
If that is not the case then maybe the devs should change it to a limited number of players per faction per map.

tagigan · October 2014

ps: i don't even know what a "whisper" is.

FluffiestOne · October 2014

Butt hurt AD are just mad because they couldn't complete AA for 2 days without their buff server.

synnerman · October 2014

I've said it before about this game there is no faction pride because of the contact that occurs between factions and duelling between factions organised by ALL faction guilds where chat and contact is easy.

Also when there are other little servers that you can gain your rewards exist or are not populated so much the "guests" migrate to a campaign they have no interest in and either farm points to level their alliance war ranks etc or deliberately troll the faction that they dislike the most.

An example of this was on Thornblade EU 2 days ago in the afternoon, Yellows had emp and there was one keep remaining to dethrone him. We (reds) had the mine resource with a camp on it and had the wall down and yellows putting up the expected defence with their emp .

Blues guest guild arrives and took the next resource and for the next hr proceeded to do nothing but attack the mine and camp until eventually yellows pushed us back and finished us off. BTW the blues never attacked the keep after that and it was never under siege by them after .
Tell me that its in the interest of the blue faction that its the home campaign for on Thornblade to have a yellow emperor! Im not saying there was collaboration here I'm saying the blue guest guilds had no interest in the campaign they were visiting to farm points.

I think there should be no points for guests or massively reduced points for guests . Make PvP so that its not manipulated by forces that the home campaign users can not control or people will just become "Meh" about it and your game is lost. In WoW you can't even whisper each other never mind be in the same guild as an enemy .

Rylana · October 2014

lol @ the concept of "faction pride"

Gillysan · October 2014

I forgot what keep it was but Reds breached the wall on Haderus NA and pushed AD into inner keep. There was this one wall I was sieging from inner keep for awhile when suddenly saw a bunch of blues kill several reds on our yellow wall. I question whether there really is a purple alliance.

Rune_Relic · October 2014

Rylana wrote: »

lol @ the concept of "faction pride"

True ...but how much of that is down to cross faction guilds ?

Cody · October 2014

tagigan wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

tagigan wrote: »

The general consensus appears to me to be:
a: Yellow are too strong. It's their fault their successful.
b:We have to co-operate to be competitive. Even if it alienates the casual gamer. Who pays the same as everyone else and is entitled to respect as a player.
The saying"Two wrongs don't make a right" seems apt here.
If one faction dominates, the other factions need to review their strategies as a whole. Not run off into splinter groups and create anarchy and mistrust from within.
Saying a faction has caused you to act in a certain way is just creating excuses.
These are my personal opinions, I welcome your opinions as well as your right to have and say them.

you have no idea how near to impossible it is to fight people that outnumber you 10:1, WITH an emperor/ress.

co-ordinating with another alliance IS reviewing our strategy, and its not anarchy. in fact, its the exact opposite of anarchy.

according to me you think the following:

1. its not fair that AD gets beat
2. if the alliance is not trying to steamroll you in a 1v1, then its not strategy.

you ever hear the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? its a very good saying to go by.

if your alliance is dominating by a huge margin, expect the other two to, at some point, take your alliance down.

I am not interested in what you think I think (because no one can know what I'm thinking better than me) or what you think of me.
I am interested in your opinion of the topic though.
And for the record I did start a new character in a new faction (see first post) and I suffered the fate described in the scenario.
Q: Is there an equal amount of spaces available on a map for each faction?

If there is, then when a map is showing a lock for all factions there is an equal numbers of players.
If that is not the case then maybe the devs should change it to a limited number of players per faction per map.

my opinion is that this alliance, if it exists in the 1st place, is completely appropriate for this situation.

now if EP and DC made an alliance against AD when AD was way behind in score, then I would have a problem with it, but AD has made hedarus their personal buff server for over 2months, you have no right, in my opinion, to be angry about EP and DC double teaming you. its 1v1v1, not 1v1. expect alliances to occur.

a "whisper" is when you click their name or do /tell<players name> and you talk to them in a way no other players can see it.

Malveria · October 2014

Holy crap, enough with the colour blend alliance conspiracy theories already. Who cares if people work together against another faction? It's a part of a three way battle, hell it could even be considered the reason for a three way battle.

Sometimes it's people actively discussing with other guilds/group leaders to do something that is mutually beneficial at that time. Sometimes it is one faction taking advantage of another faction's actions. It's called tactics and strategy. It makes sense, especially if both factions want to see the other faction fall for whatever reason.

DC is fighting EP on the last Emp keep, so AD goes for a scroll. AD goes for one EP scroll, so DC goes for the other. EP and DC control their sides of the map and push AD back to their gates.

And if DC and EP can work together enough to defend a scroll together against AD, so be it! Good on you! More power to you! Who CARES if they team up! As if every faction hasn't taken advantage of another faction's moves. And if your group/guild hasn't, it's because you're stupid.

And if you think it's for some puritan idea of 'noble' combat, you're doubly stupid.

It's a part of the game. When one side finds something advantageous, they go for it! What are they meant to do, sit on their thumbs until there's some sort of 'noble' combat? Ridiculous!

Stop crying about the fact that in a three-way faction war, two of the factions might sometimes work together for mutual benefit. It's strategic. It's tactical. It's smart.

Get. Over. It.

tagigan · October 2014

my opinion is that this alliance, if it exists in the 1st place, is completely appropriate for this situation.

now if EP and DC made an alliance against AD when AD was way behind in score, then I would have a problem with it, but AD has made hedarus their personal buff server for over 2months, you have no right, in my opinion, to be angry about EP and DC double teaming you. its 1v1v1, not 1v1. expect alliances to occur.

a "whisper" is when you click their name or do /tell<players name> and you talk to them in a way no other players can see it.

I am not angry about cross faction co-operation. I just don't like it.
Don't confuse a persons opinion for anything other than an opinion. It makes it easier to have these discussions. General discussions not personal...

tagigan · October 2014

Malveria wrote: »

Holy crap, enough with the colour blend alliance conspiracy theories already. Who cares if people work together against another faction? It's a part of a three way battle, hell it could even be considered the reason for a three way battle.

Sometimes it's people actively discussing with other guilds/group leaders to do something that is mutually beneficial at that time. Sometimes it is one faction taking advantage of another faction's actions. It's called tactics and strategy. It makes sense, especially if both factions want to see the other faction fall for whatever reason.

DC is fighting EP on the last Emp keep, so AD goes for a scroll. AD goes for one EP scroll, so DC goes for the other. EP and DC control their sides of the map and push AD back to their gates.

And if DC and EP can work together enough to defend a scroll together against AD, so be it! Good on you! More power to you! Who CARES if they team up! As if every faction hasn't taken advantage of another faction's moves. And if your group/guild hasn't, it's because you're stupid.

And if you think it's for some puritan idea of 'noble' combat, you're doubly stupid.

It's a part of the game. When one side finds something advantageous, they go for it! What are they meant to do, sit on their thumbs until there's some sort of 'noble' combat? Ridiculous!

Stop crying about the fact that in a three-way faction war, two of the factions might sometimes work together for mutual benefit. It's strategic. It's tactical. It's smart.

Get. Over. It.

Obviously you care. That was a rather personal and angry rant for someone who thinks it's a nothing issue.
If you don't like the discussion don't read or participate. You weren't forced too. Unlike myself who was forced to either cross faction co-operate or find another map to play on. Democracy at it best Yee Har.