Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The TL;DR version --

There are too many AD, we need more AD to reroll. Some AD don't like us because of EP/DC activities on Haderus and would rather stay AD to kill us both. And buff servers suck and need to be places you can find PVP away from the lag.

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

You also mistook my losing respect for NM. I've never had any respect for NM or any guild that harbors known exploiters. I only grew to respect the one player I've spoken with who wasn't so full of himself that he needed to insult people with tells because he couldn't kill them. That respect was subsequently lost the moment that player decided to log on his alt and steal a scroll for a campaign he cared nothing for.

The opinions of humans -- particularly those of little influence -- are only so much biochemical energy whizzing around through one's skull. It's not worth a cent or a crumb, let alone my consideration. If AD decides to spoil our fun by logging their alts to run scrolls unprovoked I will log on to mine and rectify the wrong. The amount of zone chat rage is also particularly amusing.

I wasn't aware any of us have any influence over others but perhaps some people are as such. I sure as hell don't care about the opinions of others but I do care that the image I project in the game is one of honesty, sportsmanship and integrity much the same as I project in life.

I too believe in justice yet two wrongs never make a right. This is why I didn't resort to exploiting caltrops and refused to be in a guild that did despite the fact it was used constantly against us and cost us point lead in the first campaign. This is why I've never traded emperors or colluded with the enemy. When I see people on my side placing camps behind gates I inform the leadership of the opposing side of location so they can burn them. When someone says that "X" person is a spy for our side, don't kill them, that person becomes my primary target if I see them. When someone gives me intel from one of the guilds they are in where they are planning a particular raid against my side I tell the person to not tell me of such things again and force myself to act as if I didn't have that knowledge. You can guarantee that if a DC scroll carrier was running by me to deliver a scroll back to us that was earned fairly by the other team that I would kill him the moment I could.

I don't do it for any thanks or to earn the respect of anyone and I don't expect everyone to conform to my ideology (although this game would be much more enjoyable were it so), but I always give respect where it is earned and seek to surround myself with people of like integrity. Maybe there are other members of NM with such characteristics but I've yet to interact with one out of the dozen or so who have messaged me as of yet.

Ralhir wrote: »

To be fair this one was on Chillrend for several weeks. However the zerg hordes led by The Hovefriends were so persistent, and so unfun to deal with that they decided to go elsewhere so that their meager skills would find better employment. As a not so good employer of fight and lots of flight they simply were not able to find entertainment in 25-30 on 5 battles everytime a home keep was retaken.

Eventually they settled on Haderus, and Thornblade as their two hunting grounds as one permitted them to help teach newcomers the basics, while the other let them indulge in wanton murder until the queues got to bad.

But perhaps if there were promises of cookies, in place of instant annihilation made they may grace Chillrend with their insignifigance someday.

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

I went there yesterday and hung around taking the resources for about half an hour, but no one came, so I left. Should I have stayed longer? How long does it normally take to get a response on that server? Without a scroll message. of course. I can't take a scroll.

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Psilent wrote: »

ratgoddess495 wrote: »

I'm disappointed in the EP that helped a known cheater get emp today.

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We're trying to create a competitive server, if you want Emp again, take it back. Then we'll take it again. No more buff server for AD!

I'm honestly not even concerned about the loss of a buff server. It's just ridiculous that certain EP assisted a known cheater with getting emp and making a second buff server for DC.

I guess only EP and DC are allowed to have buff servers.

Instead of spreading disappointment all over the forums, you have multiple methods to contact me in game about this which were not used. The only 'known' about this is on the AD side of things, which as an EP player, I'm not privvy to.

Now I'm the disappointed one.

I don't disagree that AD outnumbers the other factions, and I think you're aware that many of us are taking steps to help correct that problem.
I don't even blame EP and DC guilds for teaming up - it's what you do when you're outnumbered, and it's smart.
But I don't know how you justify double teaming a faction's only keep.
Is there any reason to do that?
As long as we're all disappointed here, let me add mine.

Most DC/EP (especially the EP on Haderus) seem to vehemently hate AD.

I've played on DC, and I understand the frustration with AD.
But hating an entire faction for things that are, largely, out of our control is pretty harsh.
I know that AD seems to have a larger population than the other factions, and we're doing the only thing we can to help correct this by rolling alts on the other factions.
And I know that AD has a large oceanic crew, but again, that's nothing any of us can help, they have to play sometime, and unfortunately, it happens to be when most of NA is offline.
As for the EP homed on Haderus, obviously playing on another factions buff server is going to be rough. I assume they do it for the campaign rewards.

To be ultra blunt about it -- every AD has it in their power, right now, to fix the population problem.

Reroll. That simple. Go to character select, hit create character, and choose a red or blue banner. See if you can arrange a 50/50 split between guilds.

Done. Solved.

But it won't happen due to all the hard work that people will claim is involved. I'm sorry, but it's the reality of the situation right now. ZOS hasn't done anything, ZOS has shown us the 1.5 patch notes so we know there's nothing in those notes that help the situation. 1.6 is a long ways off and we don't know if there's any relief there either.

Is it right that AD players have to reroll to keep the game healthy? No. Is it the reality of the situation? Yes.

As for double teaming on Bloodmayne the other day -- AD doesn't warrant that consideration, ESPECIALLY on a buff server. Their sheer numbers grant them no breaks, no special dispensation. We play the game as hard as we can against them, because we get little kindness in return. Just massive swarms of AD, night capping, and whining on the forums about how EP/DC need to fix the population problem themselves.

I'm sick of it. The longer AD overpopulates, the quicker this game dies.

I have a VR12 DC alt.
My guild are all leveling DC alts. It is a slow process, because it is a lot of work. But we have recognized the problem, agreed to take this step to fix it, and are in the process of making it happen.
I know that other AD guilds are trying to do the same thing, there is a post here on the forums, for example, where Venetas discusses their plans to reroll.
We are trying to fix it.
As for kindness from AD, your team and other EP guilds took Azura's from us, and you outnumbered us by far.
Then you came to Haderus and teamed up with a DC guild to do the same.
While our guilds scramble to convince our members to put in the time and effort to level DC or EP alts, you gang up on us.
You're not helping our cause, you know.

Come to Azura's. Take it back. Please.

We want to fight there instead of Lagblade. We go to Haderus because Thornblade is literally unplayable most days between 8pm Central to 10pm. Constant crashes, disconnects, 3-6s skill lag.

Do you have fun in that environment? I don't. Most of my guildmates don't. I know No Mercy doesn't.

I have stated before, and I'll state again here -- Buff campaigns are an abomination and a complete corruption of the ideals and desires of the game developers. This includes Azura's Star. A server it was never our intent to turn into a buff server, but got zerged down by other EP guilds the moment they realized we'd run it red to start catching the scoreboard up.

I want them all to be competitive, so that our populations aren't all jammed into Thornblade breaking the game, causing constant crashes and rollbacks.

Campaigns don't belong to any player or guild. They can't be stolen. They are property of ZOS, and we pay rent to play on them. That PVP happens on them is a good thing. It needs to happen on all of them instead of triple locks on Thornblade.

Right now EP and DC can't afford to spread out, though. The locking system during prime time protects them from the worst of the zerging. If EP/DC spread out in earnest, putting 2 bars instead of locks into as many campaigns as they can, AD would still lock Thornblade and have enough to compete outnumber any one faction on Haderus and still have a presence on Chillrend or Azura's. EP/DC don't have the bodies to do that. The most bars I've seen online in the last 2 weeks for EP is 6 total (Azura's and Thorn combined). That'd give us 2 bars in 3 campaigns, and that was when there was a large invasion of Azura's and all our PVErs came out to fight. AD always has 6 bars, even on a slow night, between Haderus and Thornblade and can certainly lock both easily.

I don't care if you don't like me. I can live with that.

But this is the reality of the situation. If AD continues to overpopulate their faction, this game is a goner.

Hate me all you want. Just be honest.

I don't hate you, actually I like and respect you and your team a lot.
Your posts on the forums are part of the reason I pushed for Decibel to make alts on another faction.
I even agree with you on buff servers, I'm homed on Thornblade bc that's where I usually play.

We would happily take back Azura's, but we can't.
The other AD guilds have not been interested in leaving TB for Azura's, and we need them bc, whether you wish to or not, you can't stop the rest of EP from swarming there once they realize AD has attacked their buff server. (And honestly, it IS a buff server for EP now, even if that wasn't your intention.)

Look, all I'm saying is, there's a lot of hate for AD because EP and DC haven't appreciated being zerged down by superior numbers, and having their last keeps taken and their gates camped: precisely the tactics you've been using against us lately.
It may seem justified, maybe it IS justified. But it's also spawning a lot of EP/DC hate on AD, which makes it hard for us to convince our people to reroll to your side.

I can understand how that becomes a vicious circle easily.

EP / DC want to smash the holy crudola out of AD most days. If BrandonZerg didn't exist (with their obsession with hitting Chalman/Arrius) on Thornblade, most days would be spent in the AD territory. The days we can get them pointed south, you've seen, I'm sure.

On other days, when players want to escape Lagblade but still smash AD, there's only one choice for places to go, as there are no AD of any note on Chillrend or Azura's currently.

At the same time, I know I get some choice /tells from AD while we're on Haderus. So do other members of my team. Mostly it involves us leaving, fornicating something we'd rather not, and them reiterating their claim of ownership to a ZOS owned Campaign server.

So AD gets mad at us and comes back to Thorn and smashes EP / DC (whomever last was on Haderus). Then back to Haderus to get revenge. Then maybe over to Azura's or Chillrend with AD. And so on.

1.5's removal of cross campaign buffs can't get here fast enough. I'm sick and tired of it. It does nothing to help the game and has been a weight around the game's neck since the beginning with places like Goldbrand, Volendrung, Hopesfire, and Bloodthorn. I don't think that'll correct the population issues, but it's a good start. It makes it so switching and then fighting on another campaign doesn't warrant the massive defense force for MAH BOOFZ.

FluffiestOne wrote: »

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Braidas wrote: »

All AD are welcome on Chillrend as well! If you guys came out to other servers we wouldn't need to bring the fight to hade...

I went there yesterday and hung around taking the resources for about half an hour, but no one came, so I left. Should I have stayed longer? How long does it normally take to get a response on that server? Without a scroll message. of course. I can't take a scroll.

I personally was taking some of them back, we could have battled each other. ;D

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Just blink away from this thread while all of your AD peasants perish. I lost my respect for you when i had to /sitchair and you wouldn't attack me and ran away.

You mean I wouldn't fight you and your templar healbot 2 v 1? I'd have done so and won easily were I still emp but how do you propose a Sorc kills a DK that spams Harness magicka and Reflective scales and a templar that spams blazing shield and harness magicka both of which have power heals at the same time? Killing either of you 1 v 1 would have taken me 5 minutes or possibly more, killing both of you while letting you both beat on me isn't possible. I tried to engage each of you singly and the other one would jump in. I tried kiting you both for a bit and you kept the heals and shields up so I simply disengaged as I would any group or player that I have no chance of killing...and I crashed right after I did that so it is a good thing because I hate having to log into cyrodiil twice every time I crash.

It is always amusing this talk of running away by people who cry about it while they are backed by others who protect them. I choose battles I can win, that's why I rarely die.

I've never ran from any single player in my 75+ /played days in Cyrodiil unless it was of strategic importance like running a scroll, placing a camp etc.

Oh so when your an Emp you can have a pocket healer and still run with ur skirt up high but once you loose Emp it's my fault for having another player around. If you didn't run 4-5 streaks away I wouldn't of told him to help cc you. But as usual you just run, run away.

The difference between you and I is, I earn my AP in the fights. I drop ultis for my side, I capture resources and keeps for my side. I don't prance around pretending to be helping.

All of NM laughs at you for the other night while you streaked around the keep and let us farm AD. Many of us with ties to AD guild leaders or known players got tells from them wishing they had a real Emp who supported them.

Like I said before run away before it gets worse.

95% of the time I played as Emp was solo and rarely when I group it with anything other than another sorc friend of mine. Heals rarely hit me due to a bug with ball lightning anyways, the healing done to me comes from Tri-stat pots and healing ward.

Once again, it is amusing when people say I "Run away". I take advantage of my class mobility to counter your defensive and melee abilities. "Running away" would assume that I sought to escape you which I could do easily. However I merely kite my targets until an advantageous opportunity presents itself. This concept that I should just let a dozen people beat on me and kill me out of some misconceived token of skill is laughable.

You don't fight the best melee class in the game at melee range unless you want to operate at a disadvantage...I do it sometimes but I wont do it when that person has a healer.

That said, you don't know anything about me, which is why you so easily pass judgement. I drop negates *constantly* in group fights, on flags etc and unlike you I get no resources for doing so, no AP for kills, and no benefit other than to help my side and it removes my strongest source of damage.

When I'm streaking around the keep I'm killing every person on siege or oil or I'm using my siege bonus to burn camps. When I'm defending inside the keep I'm dropping constant negates. NM Wiped 3 times on the flag I was defending with meat and negate spam, if I weren't there they would have taken it in their first attempt. I'm not saying it was just me, it was a team effort but no other emp could have dropped several negates in so short a period.

NM has to laugh at me be because if they didn't they'd have to accept the harsh alternative, and their egos couldn't handle that.

Psilent wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

You also mistook my losing respect for NM. I've never had any respect for NM or any guild that harbors known exploiters. I only grew to respect the one player I've spoken with who wasn't so full of himself that he needed to insult people with tells because he couldn't kill them. That respect was subsequently lost the moment that player decided to log on his alt and steal a scroll for a campaign he cared nothing for.

The opinions of humans -- particularly those of little influence -- are only so much biochemical energy whizzing around through one's skull. It's not worth a cent or a crumb, let alone my consideration. If AD decides to spoil our fun by logging their alts to run scrolls unprovoked I will log on to mine and rectify the wrong. The amount of zone chat rage is also particularly amusing.

I wasn't aware any of us have any influence over others but perhaps some people are as such. I sure as hell don't care about the opinions of others but I do care that the image I project in the game is one of honesty, sportsmanship and integrity much the same as I project in life.

I too believe in justice yet two wrongs never make a right. This is why I didn't resort to exploiting caltrops and refused to be in a guild that did despite the fact it was used constantly against us and cost us point lead in the first campaign. This is why I've never traded emperors or colluded with the enemy. When I see people on my side placing camps behind gates I inform the leadership of the opposing side of location so they can burn them. When someone says that "X" person is a spy for our side, don't kill them, that person becomes my primary target if I see them. When someone gives me intel from one of the guilds they are in where they are planning a particular raid against my side I tell the person to not tell me of such things again and force myself to act as if I didn't have that knowledge. You can guarantee that if a DC scroll carrier was running by me to deliver a scroll back to us that was earned fairly by the other team that I would kill him the moment I could.

I don't do it for any thanks or to earn the respect of anyone and I don't expect everyone to conform to my ideology (although this game would be much more enjoyable were it so), but I always give respect where it is earned and seek to surround myself with people of like integrity. Maybe there are other members of NM with such characteristics but I've yet to interact with one out of the dozen or so who have messaged me as of yet.

Did you inform the EP leader defending the Gate of Ghartok on the location of camps being placed back there by your team mates, while you were bolting through the gate yesterday afternoon?