The deletion limit has been super helpful in combating gold spam. The simple solution to your problem, which doesn't help spammers, is to provide a face-changer NPC costing in-game gold, like they did in Skyrim. And perhaps that's exactly what they'll do when they add the Thieves Guild content.

I've been here since minute-one of release and threw my characters together pretty quickly in order to get leveling right away. I definitely wouldn't mind the opportunity to tweak them a bit again in the character creator.

primordiali wrote: »

What's the solution? Remove the deletion limit. Ah, but the limit was implemented in response to player complaints, and you don't want to remove that now and have unhappy players, right?

The deletion limit is there to stop botters from creating a new character, collecting the gold from the first quest, deleting the char, rinse repeat.

This was found to be occurring on a grand scale with botters creating/deleting 1000s of characters a day.

I think the better solution towards this, is the right to change your appearance, e.g > hair, eye color, bodybuild ect.

I recently did a project where I leveled my Mules so they could have better hirelings. So, I paid more attention to the mules this weekend than I ever have.

In doing this, I have noticed that all of my characters have eyes that are too close together. They looked right in the char gen, but now I notice that all of my characters have scrunched together eyes (well my sorcerer does not, I tried to make hers wide spaced but now they just look normal)

AlnilamE wrote: »

I have heard it mentioned that they will bring in a "barber" of some sort so we can modify characters in game.

This is the only solution. The gold spammers were just out of control and while I don't personally like the delete limit it is very necessary.

Dunmer can look attractive, but truth be told they're supposed to be a dour, taciturn, cranky race. Its in their genome. I just wish they had the ice cream swirl hair for elves like they had in previous Tes games... because they were both funny and awesome.

Now, that being said, I really want to see a character appearance adjustor like we had in Skyrim. That would be fantastic. I'd like to adjust the some of the sizes of a couple characters, and a few other things. Nothing major, just tweaks from the original look.

primordiali wrote: »

I understand the reason(s) behind limiting character deletion, and I suppose it may have helped with reducing or eliminating gold spammers, etc.

No "may have" in it. This is one small part of the best thing ZOS has done for us; reduce bots and spammers. You'll have to wait for a character modification feature. Nobody wants a return to that first month #@$%

If a Dunmer doesn't look angry it's not a Dunmer.

If it's taken you 30 days just to get a character to look to your satisfaction as you say, then you have plenty of gaming in front of you. I expect to see you in Cyrodiil as a VR14 sometime in the winter of 2020.

And your unable to play due to character deletion limits? Really?... How many are you deleting? Brother, ESO is not for you.

Wait till you hit a real obstacle like many others have, perhaps the boredom of vet content, or the broken skills, the grouping that is non-existent, class imbalances, factions imbalances in PvP.

There are 99 problems with ESO, character deletion limits isn't one of them.

Your satisfactory 'look' that you are chasing will be put to the side in further advancement, this is something you'll need to deal with. Armour styles and traits will change the way you look as you'll want to have gear that works for you, not just looking like you want it to. Really, this will happen.

I've seen plenty of RP'ers get annoyed at not being able to run with the character they have built for XYZ reasons, usually not being competitive enough is the main reason, and I'm not talking just in PvP, I'm talking about not being able to beat some bosses or finish quests because the look and build has reduced your possibilities. Talk to an NB just after BETA, not happy campers, I can tell you. Skills were broke, dreams were crushed and subscriptions lost.

As for how a character looks, ZOS have changed that also. Armour colours have changed without notice. You may well be happy with a toon you create only to find that the look of it changes without your consent, is that going to be game breaking for you?

I'm playing devils advocate on a few things I know, and probably coming across like a massive d0che bag, but the issue you've got 'in the scheme of things' is a small one at best.

Sad to see anyone have issues with the game, I love it warts and all. But I'm having a hard time seeing your point of view, not saying your wrong, just having a hard time see your point when you look at the bigger picture.

I hear what you are saying, but Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim aren't MMO's are they.

The problems exist namely 'because' it's an online game and other humans playing the game ruin others experiences. Whether it be gold farmers or otherwise, it's outside influences that you get from an online game.

To be honest, Moonscythe, I find the elves in ESO to be a lot more 'normal' looking than usual, including the Dunmer. One of the interesting things from the TES games is how 'alien' the elves look. I know I'm not alone in this, so I suppose what I'm saying is I actually prefer the fact that the dunmer have that scowly look with bloodshot eyes and raspy voices. That's how I picture my Dunmer. I think they have tried to keep some of the original features on Dunmer/Altmer via the brow ridges, but I must say they've softened the look of elves in ESO, particularly when it comes to the Bosmer.

Everywhere I look in these forums when this is brought up it's annoying people coming in and commenting in an unhelpful way about how its there for bots...
WE GET that~? *derp

The point is because of it and the nature of being an MMO and ONE server there is so many scenarios you all like to overlook that can cause one to crash into this limit wall... (for the ESO vets who have maxed slots by now just from time there is a bug where the CD doesn't even reset...)

People have come up with useful options such as using the PTR to make them and then SS the bars, etc. That is helpful but still no real solution...
There are a ton of reasons; appearance, lighting, hair or something looking completely different in game, WITH how wonky its been since release balance wise or just skills not working all together people reroll just due to that alone.
Class, race combinations, faction, or misused SP early, there are just tons of reasons...
You don't pay to not play...

The restriction is understandable and worked yes? We freaking get that...
Being one server also adds to the limit of flexibly when testing around or needing to change something about character.
So should it not be made more convenient for one to test, save or CHANGE the way their character is...? IF your going to put something in like this you should have things of convenience to HELP the people PAYING and playing legitly if you put a measure in that hinders their play. Its an MMO...

Its easy to have maxed out all 8 slots. And those people can get it the worst because they get locked out tech not able to play what they want.
Ive even gotten skin that was tan in creation but yellow/orange in game...
Or forgot to change voice or the height bar, etc. Or completely didn't like any of my class skills, etc.. There is no PAYED recustomization so even if your were willing to endure for waiting for one YOU HAVE TO REROLL because what we do know is in the works wont cover all...
They want to add a system in game like barber shop in other games but where its a profession for the player... This possibly would then sound like you would not be able to change other areas where people realize they made a mistake; voice, height, etc.

There is a thing where if you hit continue you can esc back to the creator (and that's only IF you have the option to skip tut.) but if you hit continue again (and forget to touch another thing up) it just sends you straight to the tutorial... Boom wasted deletion right there.
Its also easy to accidentally make a character period when you don't have a first character through the tut.
Telling people to PLAY BETTER, smarter, or make better use of their 3 CDs is not helpful; its annoying and your opinion has no impact on this issue other then to annoy. (people even say it over and over in a thread like its not seen the first time.)

The point these people try to make isn't against fighting bots. They are wondering why there are not OTHER options presented by Devs to help a player who PAYS to play and not BOT. (again the Cd can eventually lock a player out and CD not reset all together.) There should be some way to customize in game, or at the very least some kind of appearance save on the creator like most mmos are starting to have. Just on the cosmetic side alone NO IT IS NOT a minority who fiddle with character creation.

We should also be wanting this game to succeed as they continue to improve it any hopefully pull a FFXIV before ps4 release. Because this would only mean MORE great changes coming and guaranteed.
I would prefer it NOT go f2p because the environment would get 100x more toxic let alone then mean the team gets smaller and even less changes.
We should not be telling people HOW TO PLAY or pushing/scaring people off. And certainly making it more convenient for new people via feedback IS helpful...

Everyone these days thinks a forum is somewhere you go to voice your ego.

primordiali wrote: »

What's the solution? Remove the deletion limit. Ah, but the limit was implemented in response to player complaints, and you don't want to remove that now and have unhappy players, right? Well, there are still unhappy players *because* of the limit... and the issues with character creation appearance.

The deletion limit was one of a number of measures that got rid of bots and goldsellers. Your unhappiness with this limit is nothing compared to the unhappiness the bots and goldsellers caused.

So, I suggest and request, on behalf of all the players who want a fix for appearance:
(1) Fix character creation so characters look in-game like they do in character creation.
(2) Fix character creation so appearance results match color swatches.
(3) Give us a way to change appearance in-game, after creation! And the last is the most important of the three.

I have no problem with fixing character creation so get a proper representation of what your character will look like. I also have no problem with a barber/facechanger.

I also suspect most of the resp of the players have no problem with these either.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I do think a character appearance changer coming out sooner rather than later is the better solution to your problem.

It might be a good idea to let us have one free trip to the "barber" per character, just to tweak those settings that don't show up all that well in a dark cell in Coldharbor (and also for those of us who created characters in the first few days and weren't able to zoom in on the face).

I have NEVER been able to figure out the reasons behind the lighting choices in character creation! What the Hades were they thinking??? The lighting for character creation SHOULD be the exact same bright daylight we see at teh character selection screen.

And there is ZERO good reasons for them to keep dragging their feet on giving us the ability to go BACK into the character creation screen any time we want and be able to change ANYTHING aside from race and class.

Hi

While your at it, make some more hair choices and if you want make them available in game for game cash.
But I'd really like to see some more choices.

Mike