Thanks for sucking the fun out of a game

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · October 2014

eNumbra wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

You're forced into so many things in this game....so sad.

One zone forces you to group.

One.

Was nice of you to visit I guess.

Might only be one, but it is the only place to get from 10 to 14 unless you want to go to the pvp area. There really is NO way to level up past 10 unless you group or pvp.

There might be too little group content in the lower level zones but the fact that there is no solo content in the last phases of the game and the entire endgame is a bad game design.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · October 2014

eNumbra wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

You're forced into so many things in this game....so sad.

One zone forces you to group.

One.

Of course, that one zone is the ONLY way to level beyond VR10, and also much crafting (in the form of mats and recipes) is now locked inside group instances and that 'one' zone, so the OP's points is hugely valid.

TehMagnus · October 2014

Game was released too early which is why it was delayed for consoles. We are beta testing for consoles. People who play it in consoles will have the game we should have had since start.

Just look at the sales of Skyrim,

Skryim Sales By Platform
XBox 360 59 %
Playstation 3 27 %
PC 14 %
Source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/

The money is in consoles. They made more than 600 millions with Skyrim just on consoles which is why the game won't be deemed good untill it hits the consoles shelves.

We are just people who pay to beta test and ZOS couldn't care less about our small population.

Nazon_Katts · October 2014

It sure does feel this way at times. Though one would think they'd know, if they alienate the 14% that came before and leave them frustrated and disgruntled, they're only going to make the other 86% think twice about coming at all.

Nox_Aeterna · October 2014

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

It sure does feel this way at times. Though one would think they'd know, if they alienate the 14% that came before and leave them frustrated and disgruntled, they're only going to make the other 86% think twice about coming at all.

True , but will they really be annoyed in the end? With that i mean the people that are actually left playing the game by that point. Maybe it will just go using the "it used to be a pile of crap , but here we added sutff and fixed most issues"

Anyway i would say this game could have problems winning the console market , but apparently destiny had no problems and millions play it even with all its flaws lols.

Fi'yra · October 2014

To be honest, personally, I've enjoyed Craglorn PvE, I was never such a PvE hog, but now I've started doing some of the few quests, I've found myself nearly completing the map, and I think that's pretty cool, considering all I would do is PvP all day.

- There are so much to be done, and the fact most of you are lazy to say 'yeaah, I cba to do that'

Stop moaning when you haven't done everything the game offers!

spoqster · October 2014

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

It sure does feel this way at times. Though one would think they'd know, if they alienate the 14% that came before and leave them frustrated and disgruntled, they're only going to make the other 86% think twice about coming at all.

But are we frustrated? I am not. I just have so many ideas on how to improve this game. :-)

Vizier · October 2014

I'm confused. Does "play how you want" translate into "complete all content?" Maybe I missed something. Can a person still level without questing in Craglorn? There are alternatives, right?

I've never seen so much "You owe meeee" from a community before.

Nox_Aeterna · October 2014

spoqster wrote: »

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

It sure does feel this way at times. Though one would think they'd know, if they alienate the 14% that came before and leave them frustrated and disgruntled, they're only going to make the other 86% think twice about coming at all.

But are we frustrated? I am not. I just have so many ideas on how to improve this game. :-)

hoho , i know many who are , i know my friends wont get it anymore now after i spoke to them :P , others i spoke with said they werent interested anymore , but who knows lols.

TehMagnus · October 2014

I wouldn't recommend the game to anyone in it's current state. I'm honestly just sticking around because I hope it gets better and I'm a fan of the series, but when Star Citizen's solo & multiplayer are released...

Edit: Although I completely disagree with OP, QQing because of grouping in an MMORPG will never stop making me laugh.

Breg_Magol · October 2014

Hamfast wrote: »

Can I have your stuff?

This response is so old and pathetically inadequate .. it reflects more on the lack of originality of the person who says it.

Please try to be a little bit more original .. if you feel you truly need to express yourself.

Breg_Magol · October 2014

hmm ... well, my 2 cents is that "play as you want" was a marketing mistake ... because it basically means that ESO is a sandbox game .. and it's not if you want to beat the game. Sure you can dance naked with wilding dunmer around azura's shrine deep in some forest glade somewhere .. you can craft to your hearts content and collect dragonthorn and such like .. or even fish .. but you're sidestepping the main game and there's nothing wrong with that ... but you're still sidestepping the main game.

This game has a story based structure that a player is 'encouraged' to follow ... to a degree. There is freedom ... to a degree, however if you want to play competitively and 'beat' end game you'd better follow the scenario. That's not bad .. it's just ESO.

The problem is that so many people have taken 'play as you want' to mean that the game as designed does not necessarily cater to an individuals specific style of play. At the same time everyone is free to play how they want .. but if you want to be competitive in the game you MUST understand and play to the game ... it's quite simple really .. and not something to make us lose any sleep over.

To end with an analogy .. it would be like that I chose to become a beach bum cause I love the freedom of long quite walks along a pristine beach .. but I go on a rant and rave because I never got elected President .. to have a chance at becoming President .. I have to 'play the game' .. choosing to be a beach bum would not be the best choice in this scenario .. so really folk, know the outcome you want and realize that you'll be expected to do some stuff that 'other people want' in order to get what you want .. or just keep being a happy beach bum.

No malice was intended in this post ... so don't take it the wrong way anyone. Cheers!

Circuitous · October 2014

Breg_Magol wrote: »

Hamfast wrote: »

Can I have your stuff?

This response is so old and pathetically inadequate .. it reflects more on the lack of originality of the person who says it.

Please try to be a little bit more original .. if you feel you truly need to express yourself.

It's quite fitting. A canned retort for an unoriginal complaint.

Breg_Magol · October 2014

Did the 'LOL' even read the post? Now that's the bigger LOL! That's hilarious!

Merlin13KAGL · October 2014

Breg_Magol wrote: »

Hamfast wrote: »

Can I have your stuff?

This response is so old and pathetically inadequate .. it reflects more on the lack of originality of the person who says it.

Please try to be a little bit more original .. if you feel you truly need to express yourself.

@Breg_Magol‌ , right...like this:

"I don't want your stuff!"

I don't have room for it!

OP, Group content / not Group content ~ if you can't find something to do in this game, I dare say you're doing it wrong.

It may not be what you want, as you want it right now, but there is content out there.

As for the PvE content in Cyro being PvP, I think I'd call it PvE with a chance of PvP. It requires more situational awareness and a bit more caution, but it's quite doable, at least in the shorter campaigns. Plenty of people have ventured there solo and completed most, if not all of the PvE part.

Set foot solo wherever you like. Just understand that you're not going to be beefy enough to make it through - not quite the same as 'forced grouping.'

The only places that applies involve Group Challenges (puzzle related, specifically), and perhaps Trials. It's why they usually describe things as 'intended for a group of ___'

Almost everything is soloable. Everything is not survivable while soloable.

skeletorz_ESO · October 2014

Just don't bother with making group questing content ever again, Zenimax. In fact, I'd suggest turning Craglorn into another solo zone.

For the last several days, I've been sitting in the group finder for Craglorn while advertising in zone chat trying to find someone to group with and do the quests. Not a single person has even responded yet.

The only thing people do in Craglorn is grind mobs.

Nazon_Katts · October 2014

spoqster wrote: »

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

It sure does feel this way at times. Though one would think they'd know, if they alienate the 14% that came before and leave them frustrated and disgruntled, they're only going to make the other 86% think twice about coming at all.

But are we frustrated? I am not. I just have so many ideas on how to improve this game. :-)

Me neither. But I know this game doesn't have the mass appeal it was clearly aiming for and continues to test its players' patience on a daily basis. I'm a rather patient person (tho I do have my moments) and am content with what I got for now, but I won't make the mistake of projecting my humble self onto others.

Anyways, if their current marketing approach truly is consoles or bust, I fear that won't work out all that well for them.

skeletorz_ESO wrote: »

Just don't bother with making group questing content ever again, Zenimax. In fact, I'd suggest turning Craglorn into another solo zone.

For the last several days, I've been sitting in the group finder for Craglorn while advertising in zone chat trying to find someone to group with and do the quests. Not a single person has even responded yet.

The only thing people do in Craglorn is grind mobs.

My little recruitment post doesn't seem to be of much help either. You're not playing AD/EU per chance?

Think the biggest problems still are accessibility and incentivization, it's not necessarily needed to dumb down the content, if it just were attractive enough to be actually played.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · October 2014

spoqster wrote: »

cgipervert wrote: »

The fun got sucked out of this game long ago when the developers nerfed the [snip] out of it because of all the crybabies.

I spent one week in the vet zones before they nerfed it. I loved it. It was challenging and fun. Since the nerf questing is just reading and hitting my "3" button.

That was exactly my point. The game used to be much more challenging. Now it's just a rinse-and-repeat cake-walk.

Voodoo · October 2014

LonePirate wrote: »

Um, I could have sworn the game released with 16 group dungeons, 96 group bosses and 45 group-oriented dolmens. Then there is the entire zone of Cyrodiil with all of its group-oriented goals. Plus, there is that entire zone built for groups that was added 7 weeks after the game was released. Or does none of this group content count because it was included in the game's release or shortly thereafter?

The main storyline is solo. They did say they were adding A SOLO ZONE. ...I am vet 1 and have played this game solo so far ...other than endgame the games pretty soloable to me...and like I said before SOLO ZONE INC.

Sighlynce · October 2014

timidobserver wrote: »

Yeh because every zone has to be exactly how you want it to be. You can't have just one that has something that other people may enjoy.

This argument doesn't make sense $:\$ . The other zones are not forcing people to solo ... In the few instances that the game has a quest with a solo boss , the groupers complained so much they nerfed the dog outa them.The Sancre Tor quest , I killed Mannimarco in no time, the first time I did the quest my toon died like 5/6 times another example Gutsripper in the mage quest , he's a kitten now . No one is preventing you from enjoying the game by grouping to play , but solo players are being prevented from enjoying their play style by being forced to group..

Sighlynce · October 2014

sagitter wrote: »

We got 3 entire realms for solo playing , why are you complaining for a *** zone? Anyway like someone said almost every mmo, Wow , Daoc , etc. have forced group content for the best gear and stuff. So stop complaining about eso , and stop complaining at all, let's see how the game evolve, i bet in the future there will be others solo contents for all the whiners.

Because our game playing stops at the veteran zones.. Thats why. And as far as the three zones you mention, nobody forced you to solo. You could group if you wanted so your play style was never effected . Why should we be stopped from playing how we enjoy. $:\$

ExiledKhallisi · October 2014

letohatcheeub17_ESO wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

We got 3 entire realms for solo playing , why are you complaining for a *** zone? Anyway like someone said almost every mmo, Wow , Daoc , etc. have forced group content for the best gear and stuff. So stop complaining about eso , and stop complaining at all, let's see how the game evolve, i bet in the future there will be others solo contents for all the whiners.

Because our game playing stops at the veteran zones.. Thats why. And as far as the three zones you mention, nobody forced you to solo. You could group if you wanted so your play style was never effected . Why should we be stopped from playing how we enjoy. $:\$

Game hasn't even been out for a year. If Some of you people had a job and didnt spend 10 hrs a day in game you would still have solo content to do.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

liquid_wolf wrote: »

... MMORPG ...

Can someone send me an MMORPG that doesn't force you to group to get some of the best gear, or to experience ALL of the content that was put out?

Is there one?

The game that'll give you what you want is a single-player game.

What you want is accessibility to everything the game has to offer and to be able to experience it ALL by yourself, right?

Unreasonable request, highly selfish and flat out impossible in an MMO. They'd have to make single-player versions of all the group content, which would take more time. Have more bugs and be all around garbage due to it's ridiculously low difficulty.

Solo players cried and cried, now going through on a lowbie I'm seeing bosses (BOSSES!!!!) that aren't even bosses. They're not NEARLY as difficult as they were at launch.

All because people b*tched and moan that "it's tooo hard to do by myself....I wanna play by myself, myself myself myself me me me!"

So once where I struggled and overcame the challenge, I roflstomp past without even realizing the critter I just killed was the boss.

This occurs in quests, in delves, in places where you needed to plan an encounter carefully to make it out alive.

The game has been WoWified in that respect, any Tom *** or Harry can run in there and slam their face against their keyboard and emerge victorious.

That's unacceptable. And for you to come in here and say it's not enough. This may not be the game for you bud.

I want new shiny solo content too, but not the dumbing down of group content any more than it already is just because some people don't want to make the effort to make friends.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Enough is enough.

They'll get to it. If you don't like their design decisions. You have 2 choices:

A) Wait until your moaning and whining has been rewarded with the launch of new solo zones (which I'm sure will be met the resounding "I can't get there and experience the new alone content because I'm not max level and ZOS forces us to need to group in order to get to max level because your game sucks and I don't like other people"

2) Find a singleplayer game to occupy your time. ("But I have friends on here I want to be able to talk to them while I play!? THEN WHY CAN'T YOU GROUP WITH THEM TO EXPERIENCE THE ENTIRETY OF THE GAME?!? )

The ONLY THING that's stopping all these self-proclaimed "solo" players from experience the entirety of the game in all it's group and solo content splendor, is their own refusal.

There is more than enough of you to get together in your secret "I like solo" club and coordinate enough to GET TOGETHER to EXPERIENCE THE GROUP CONTENT.

The fact that this hasn't been done bespeaks a GLARINGLY LOUD sense of entitlement and selfishness.

I want my fellow players to be happy, please be happy. That takes effort! PUT FORTH THE EFFORT! And don't make your happiness necessary at the expense of others. That's just not cool.

Be excellent to each other. MMO's are for people. Not just 1 person.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

letohatcheeub17_ESO wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

We got 3 entire realms for solo playing , why are you complaining for a *** zone? Anyway like someone said almost every mmo, Wow , Daoc , etc. have forced group content for the best gear and stuff. So stop complaining about eso , and stop complaining at all, let's see how the game evolve, i bet in the future there will be others solo contents for all the whiners.

Because our game playing stops at the veteran zones.. Thats why. And as far as the three zones you mention, nobody forced you to solo. You could group if you wanted so your play style was never effected . Why should we be stopped from playing how we enjoy. $:\$

What? How does your game stop at Veteran zones. I solo'd ALL the Veteran zones except for Craglorn, if you're mad that you can't roflstomp through a difficult delve, dungeon, Trial, Arena all by yourself, that's just plain unreasonable.

Why should you be stopped from playing how you enjoy? BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT THE GAME WAS MARKETED TO BE!

If it was just another single player TES title with the option to utilize multiplayer. IT'S NOT!

STOP TRYING TO DICTATE HOW THIS GAME SHOULD PROGRESS JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOUR SHINY NEW Elder Scroll 132: Skyrowblivion the Reckoning.

This game was never marketed or described as ANYTHING the TES series has released or attempted before, it's an MMO - and MMO follow certain patterns that allow for their survival amongst ALL TYPES OF PLAYERS. NO GAME survives catering to one type of player. You've been catered to. The bosses in the 1-50 zones and above have been dumbed down enough to allow for facerollage.

NEXT

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

You're forced into so many things in this game....so sad.

One zone forces you to group.

One.

Was nice of you to visit I guess.

Might only be one, but it is the only place to get from 10 to 14 unless you want to go to the pvp area. There really is NO way to level up past 10 unless you group or pvp.

There might be too little group content in the lower level zones but the fact that there is no solo content in the last phases of the game and the entire endgame is a bad game design.

Name me 1 piece of solo endgame ness from 1 MMO. Not trying to be mean I just really can't recall any.

Nox_Aeterna · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Enough is enough.

They'll get to it. If you don't like their design decisions. You have 2 choices:

A) Wait until your moaning and whining has been rewarded with the launch of new solo zones (which I'm sure will be met the resounding "I can't get there and experience the new alone content because I'm not max level and ZOS forces us to need to group in order to get to max level because your game sucks and I don't like other people"

2) Find a singleplayer game to occupy your time. ("But I have friends on here I want to be able to talk to them while I play!? THEN WHY CAN'T YOU GROUP WITH THEM TO EXPERIENCE THE ENTIRETY OF THE GAME?!? )

The ONLY THING that's stopping all these self-proclaimed "solo" players from experience the entirety of the game in all it's group and solo content splendor, is their own refusal.

There is more than enough of you to get together in your secret "I like solo" club and coordinate enough to GET TOGETHER to EXPERIENCE THE GROUP CONTENT.

The fact that this hasn't been done bespeaks a GLARINGLY LOUD sense of entitlement and selfishness.

I want my fellow players to be happy, please be happy. That takes effort! PUT FORTH THE EFFORT! And don't make your happiness necessary at the expense of others. That's just not cool.

Be excellent to each other. MMO's are for people. Not just 1 person.

Allow me to first say , i dont indeed to really form groups out of when there is a need. That simple.

Second

This didnt have to happen , it was their poor design choices , that lead to this.

Honestly , the thing that drags ESO down the most is the lead desgin team who keeps making crappy choice after crappy choice initially then spend tons of time and resources having to fix them lols.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Disruptive Behavior]

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Enough is enough.

They'll get to it. If you don't like their design decisions. You have 2 choices:

A) Wait until your moaning and whining has been rewarded with the launch of new solo zones (which I'm sure will be met the resounding "I can't get there and experience the new alone content because I'm not max level and ZOS forces us to need to group in order to get to max level because your game sucks and I don't like other people"

2) Find a singleplayer game to occupy your time. ("But I have friends on here I want to be able to talk to them while I play!? THEN WHY CAN'T YOU GROUP WITH THEM TO EXPERIENCE THE ENTIRETY OF THE GAME?!? )

The ONLY THING that's stopping all these self-proclaimed "solo" players from experience the entirety of the game in all it's group and solo content splendor, is their own refusal.

There is more than enough of you to get together in your secret "I like solo" club and coordinate enough to GET TOGETHER to EXPERIENCE THE GROUP CONTENT.

The fact that this hasn't been done bespeaks a GLARINGLY LOUD sense of entitlement and selfishness.

I want my fellow players to be happy, please be happy. That takes effort! PUT FORTH THE EFFORT! And don't make your happiness necessary at the expense of others. That's just not cool.

Be excellent to each other. MMO's are for people. Not just 1 person.

Allow me to first say , i dont indeed to really form groups out of when there is a need. That simple.

Second

This didnt have to happen , it was their poor design choices , that lead to this.

Honestly , the thing that drags ESO down the most is the lead desgin team who keeps making crappy choice after crappy choice initially then spend tons of time and resources having to fix them lols.

How could have it been done differently and please explain to me how this difference would lead to success?

(Also, please clarify the bold'ed statement in your post, I don't understand it at all. May just be a typo)

What was so wrong about following the pattern that other successful MMO's have followed and continue to be successful?

Not trying to be an ass, I know nothing about making a game, running a game company, I just play the damn things.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Sighlynce · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

letohatcheeub17_ESO wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

We got 3 entire realms for solo playing , why are you complaining for a *** zone? Anyway like someone said almost every mmo, Wow , Daoc , etc. have forced group content for the best gear and stuff. So stop complaining about eso , and stop complaining at all, let's see how the game evolve, i bet in the future there will be others solo contents for all the whiners.

Because our game playing stops at the veteran zones.. Thats why. And as far as the three zones you mention, nobody forced you to solo. You could group if you wanted so your play style was never effected . Why should we be stopped from playing how we enjoy. $:\$

I solo'd ALL the Veteran zones except for Craglorn,
Yea you /clap
Why should you be stopped from playing how you enjoy? BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT THE GAME WAS MARKETED TO BE!
You must have missed the marketing. That is exactly how it was Marketed..We were all told Play How You Want

STOP TRYING TO DICTATE HOW THIS GAME SHOULD PROGRESS
Ummm Take your own advise
You've been catered to. The bosses in the 1-50 zones and above have been dumbed down enough to allow for facerollage.
Wrong answer bud, The ones who complained were the ones who wanted to group -- You maybe $:\$

NEXT

sagitter · October 2014

A good mmo that looks for longevity, should attracts multiple kind of players. You like solo content,the game offers it, i like more group contents and i m happy for craglorn. If this game was only solo oriented probly i would have stopped to play months ago.