Great improvement.

It's a flaming load of crap. It will be impossible to defend the back flag from impulse groups unless you have your own impulse blob, and we all love that ability locking lag, right?

Oils in resource towers hasn't really been a problem for months, even pugs know how to storm the towers and take them out now. I have not seen a single tower camp last more than 60 seconds after taking the resource in quite a while.

Oil farms in keep towers was cheesy, but it's not game breaking, and stopping it isn't worth losing the ability to defend the back flags.

If ZOS would change flags so that they couldn't be capped when the NPCs are still alive on them and/or a number of defenders, I might have been ok with this.

I like it

I created a forum account to make this post.

Zenimax, please, PLEASE do not do this. This is one of the worst imaginable changes that you can make to the game. The reason that people use oil is because it's one of the only things that does not have an AOE cap. If it were possible to kill a raid of 24 people all bunched up with a three yard radius of each other, that's what we'd do, but the fact that they exploit the AOE cap to make themselves functionally IMMUNE TO DAMMAGE means that oil is our only choice. (In that scenario, 75% of the group takes ZERO damage from an AOE attack. Healers can heal through that without any difficulty at all because heals automatically target those with the lowest health.) Zerg balls won't even have to attack, just bunch up on the flag and revel in their immmunity.

I cannot emphasize enough how terrible a decision this is. If this change to oils is implemented before the AOE caps are fixed, I personally know many, many people who will unsub. We don't want to play in Cyrodiil when zerg balls can exploit game mechanics to make themselves invincible, and we won't want to play a game where the developers show themselves so uncaring of player feedback that they ignore or keep putting on hold the fixes we've been demanding since the beginning (fix AOE caps) and implement other decisions that actually make the situation worse. For players who have been complaining about zergs exploiting the AOE cap, this is a slap in the face from the developers.

milthalas wrote: »

Sleep wrote: »

PTS Patch Notes v1.5.1:
•Flaming Oil will now only affect targets that are at least 6 meters below you; oil will no longer do any damage if used on the ground.

No more oils inside resource towers. No more oils inside flag rooms.
I don't know how long is 6 meters in game. If I use oil on the middle floor in a resource tower and hit a guy outside on the ground, will it do any damage?

Six meters would be two floors. So from the top of the outer wall of a keep to the ground for instance. I think from the tower at resources it would still be possible, but maybe not from the lowest ledge.

If the lowest ledge doesn't work, it's kind of silly to have all those oil hangovers.

Glad this has changed, I've never used oil in this game as i find it pretty skilless to stand behind an oil and not be able to be targetted while killing scrubs who have no idea what purge is.

A welcomed change.

Teargrants wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Glad this has changed, I've never used oil in this game as i find it pretty skilless to stand behind an oil and not be able to be targetted while killing scrubs who have no idea what purge is.

A welcomed change.

If you have trouble targeting people behind oil, I don't know what to say.

It bug's sometimes.

Zenimax, oil on the top of a keep has never exist in the reality, it's just a myth from movies

You don't have the "reality" excuse.

I don't like it. This change only favors big groups.

And zenimax will understand only the majority of players, Noobs pulsar bombsquad.
they will win all their battles with this unwanted (I know no player who want it) nerf.

Zenimax will destroy their game before they fixed it.

so only oil above rear postern doors in Outposts..don't like it. I HATE being oiled in the middle of the field but dumming down the game to suit ppl who cant purge or refuse to count or are allergic to barrier is not the answer.

Its an ok change once they removed AOE Caps, if they're not doing that this patch they need to hold off on changing the oil.

I would be OK with oil affecting a cone area in front of the pot instead of a circle around it. Would make more sense and would make placing and using oil a bit more complex in most situations.

Making it useless on ground level is clearly a change that will give zergs / big groups an additional advantage they don't need. With this change, small teams won't be able to defend keeps even half as efficiently as they do now, since oil is almost the only thing that can stop a blob (or at least slow it down).

I guess we'll be condemned to gank skyshard hunters since almost nobody else uses a horse in Cyrodiil...

I would have preferred that the oil would damaged yourself if you were standing in it.

Meh

Zord wrote: »

I would be OK with oil affecting a cone area in front of the pot instead of a circle around it. Would make more sense and would make placing and using oil a bit more complex in most situations.

Making it useless on ground level is clearly a change that will give zergs / big groups an additional advantage they don't need. With this change, small teams won't be able to defend keeps even half as efficiently as they do now, since oil is almost the only thing that can stop a blob (or at least slow it down).

I guess we'll be condemned to gank skyshard hunters since almost nobody else uses a horse in Cyrodiil...

too bad they cant do this..I like the cone idea for ground combined with changing the amount of DPS it does(to lower of course) if its poured in a conal area from flat land.
I can think of multiple places I use oil currently that's not on flat land but raised ( NOT 6 meters though) that will be totally unavailable now.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Is this another thread about a change on PTS that's full of people who disagree without having tried it?

I'll have to stop you right there.

It's not about trying it our not. It's about judging based off the experiences that we have had with oil and the current meta of pvp.

Trying to land a spaceship on the sun is a bad idea. We know this without actually having to try it out first.

I think people should try it before they judge. Instead of people sitting behind oil pots in flag rooms or in little cubbies they'll instead be PvPing as they should have been. Hidden oil pots and such have always seemed more of a gimmick to me than anything else, and to those who don't know how to tab target it is indeed extremely difficult to target players behind oil pots.

Meatbags have always been far more effective than oil pots at taking down impulse groups from my experience.

I do think this was a great counter to vampires however and it will only make vampires even stronger in the current meta which is of moderate concern to me.