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Does it say what the names of these morphs are?

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

Shayu wrote: »

Does it say what the names of these morphs are?

I could only give you the names of the morphs I chose right now, as I was hasty in making my choice of morph to try it out and didn't write down the names of the choices I didn't pick.

I can get on later today and go respec my morphs on the PTS and edit my original post to update the names, if you'd like. I just wanted to make sure the mechanics were known first.

I'm interested to see which morphs you picked, by all means tell us what they're called

Hmmm, I'll probably go for Hircine's Rage, Howl of Despair, and Claws of Life.

I have the impression that the werewolf will remain excessively vulnerable, considering improvements to the bow and the damage inflicted by a transformed werewolf is not very high, I believe that we will remain easy prey even after this patch, I think the problem is simply that they put too many bleed damage and a few instant damage

Shayu wrote: »

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

Shayu wrote: »

Hmmm, I'll probably go for Hircine's Rage, Howl of Despair, and Claws of Life.

Indeed, such were my thoughts as well.

But then I started thinking about piercing howl. They synergy sounds great, and it is. But it's for your group, not yourself. So in a sense, you're picking a morph that, when you're on your own does nothing.

And with that in mind, the damage bonus to feared enemies isn't as low as I had anticipated. 30% at rank one is pretty respectable, with this I was critting for 800 with Howl of Anguish. And that's at rank one.

Albeit, that was also while Hircine's Rage was active, and possibly my 2h momentum buff which I precasted.

Regardless, my point stands that technically Howl of Anguish is what is going to benefit the werewolf himself the most, and it could turn this ability from a mediocre damager with a killer stun to a respectable damage with a killer stun.

Might be worth the tradeoff for those with any interest in solo play.

I understand what you're saying, and that might work out quite well for PvE, but in terms of PvP, competitive players are going to be breaking fear very quickly, nullifying the bonus damage to feared targets and making the stun useless, thanks to their temporary CC immunity. Perhaps if you can surprise them you'll have the chance to take advantage of the bonus, but considering that werewolves can't sneak and that their abilities have some response time issues, I'm not putting much faith into the werewolf's ability to one-two-punch a player before said player can react and break CC.

Howl of Anguish I would imagine would work great in PvE though, since the NPCs won't be breaking CC, but I'm always thinking in terms of PvP with my builds.

Make's sense enough, but there's one hole in your argument. If the scenario you describe were truly how things were in cyrodiil then hard CCs would be absolutely pointless and no one would use them because the person would inevitably just break out afterwards. (Dat hyperbole, I know, I'm sorry, felt it proved the point though)

The reason this isn't the case is because CC-breaking costs a lot stamina. Blocking a CC costs stamina dodging to avoid a single target CC or get out of range of an aoe CC costs stamina.

The common tactic in PvP, and why I believe the morph would be the superior choice to a solo pvper, is to have a 'war of attrition,' so to speak, until either you or your enemies stamina cannot hold out anymore to be able to cc-break or dodge or block. This is when CC's become their most useful, and can play out their full duration while the CC's caster mercilessly pounds on the subdued enemy.

This is inevitable in every fight, if someone is dying before their stamina runs out to defend themselves then they are either 'doin it wrong' or are WAY too squishy. (Or if they got owned by unbreakable CC bug, but that's a different story)

That being the case, in any given fight in which both opponents are of close to equal durability/sustainability and skill (when one isn't way too squishy or 'doin it wrong'), CC's like fear being active for their whole duration with the right timing becomes crucial to finishing the fight.

In said scenarios, a damage increase by a third on targets who I've caught in my death-trap, being fear with no stamina to break it or have avoided it, will be able to be finished off much quicker to end the fight before they're able to recover and potion/heal/what have you.

Furthermore, I'm hoping the stun will still go off if you get a player while he's feared, therefore keeping him in place for you/possibly prolonging the CC.

So overall, I think you have it backwards, and I'd say that Howl of Anguish is better for PvP than PvE. But that is only because when I say PvE I particularly mean single target dps in end game group content (fighting CC-immune bosses). Of course it will help when leveling, but min/maxing while leveling up has never been an issue.

If you are min/maxing for 1v1 fights in PvP where you have no allies to take your synergy, I'd say you'd be crazy to not be using Howl of Anguish. If you run in a group much more than you run solo, Howl of Despair is a perfect alternative, but if you do equal parts both or more solo than anything, I'd still say Howl of Anguish is the way to go.