Good luck to provisioners in Justice system?

Nihili · October 2014

I'm super duper, super excited for the Justice system to hit: finally a way for me to PvP outside of Cyro

That said, I'm worried about how it will effect my farming sprees. I've looted entire cities in search of motifs/ingredients/mats etc. Once my butter-fingered frivolity is illegal, I foresee a big drop in the number of items I can craft, because my main source of farming is illegal. Any opinions? How will other provisioners deal with this?

ers101284b14_ESO · October 2014

It will probably only be illegal at shops or something not the whole city. You mist likely will still have tons of places to loot items.

Tabbycat · October 2014

Plenty of provisioning supplies in delves and dungeons. There are also grocers that will sell provisioning items.

Elsonso · October 2014

Thieving may be the life for you!

DenverRalphy · October 2014

I doubt it will be much of an issue. As with other TES titles, after you complete a city/town's quest line, you're given latitude for looting containers. For example, in Skyrim after you became thane of a city you could loot many items/containers whereas before you completed the quest line those same items would be flagged for justice. And too.. When you open a container, not all the items were flagged for justice. Only those items the game wanted you to have to work hard for. Somehow I don't see green (and maybe blue) recipes being flagged for justice. Though I wouldn't mind purple recipes not being a free for all.

jeevin · October 2014

Tabbycat wrote: »

Plenty of provisioning supplies in delves and dungeons. There are also grocers that will sell provisioning items.

I agree with the exception of motifs and to a lesser extent, recipes. Those bad boys are already getting scarce to come by and will be much harder to loot after the justice system is in place. Should be interesting

Deheart · October 2014

I have a lv 11 nightblade, going to go full thief with that one. But really, when questing I end up bypassing a lot of lootable containers due to the overabundance of mats available, otherwise I would quest for half an hour and then have to go back to the bank just to empty my bags.

Not looting in citys shouldn't slow you down.

AshySamurai · October 2014

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

michaelb14a_ESO2 · October 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

It will probably only be illegal at shops or something not the whole city. You mist likely will still have tons of places to loot items.

I really really really hope this isn't the case. Everything should have an owner and if you want it..... Well you have options

AlexDougherty · October 2014

Nihili wrote: »

I'm super duper, super excited for the Justice system to hit: finally a way for me to PvP outside of Cyro That said, I'm worried about how it will effect my farming sprees. I've looted entire cities in search of motifs/ingredients/mats etc. Once my butter-fingered frivolity is illegal, I foresee a big drop in the number of items I can craft, because my main source of farming is illegal. Any opinions? How will other provisioners deal with this?

You need to be in stealth to steal, and they have said that provisioning should still be doable. So I'm confident they are going to let us take items from barrels and crates outside buildings. I'm more worried about Motifs, since they are generally inside buildings, which means stealing.

Nihili · October 2014

Ah well we'll have to see how it turns out before we can complain. My primary concern here was that with the "nerfed" drop-rate of motifs coupled with the justice system we would never get our hands on motifs again. But at least we're putting that out there: so if s*** hits the fan for provisioners, at least we can say we saw it coming.

AshySamurai wrote: »

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

AlexDougherty · October 2014

AshySamurai wrote: »

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

Nihili wrote: »

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

They are saying if you activate your justice system flag and loot barrels and stuff you can sell what you get.
If you loot without the flag being on, then the loot is unsellable, usable but not sellable.
Basically if you bypass the risk you can't make money off it.

Tabbycat · October 2014

jeevin wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Plenty of provisioning supplies in delves and dungeons. There are also grocers that will sell provisioning items.

I agree with the exception of motifs and to a lesser extent, recipes. Those bad boys are already getting scarce to come by and will be much harder to loot after the justice system is in place. Should be interesting

Hoarders gotta hoard.

I already have 3 bank toons and am contemplating a fourth just so I have enough storage for all the stuff I want to loot before the Justice System goes live.

Rosveen · October 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

Nihili wrote: »

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

They are saying if you activate your justice system flag and loot barrels and stuff you can sell what you get.
If you loot without the flag being on, then the loot is unsellable, usable but not sellable.
Basically if you bypass the risk you can't make money off it.

But you can sell food you make using these items... So win-win for provisioners.

Moonshadow66 · October 2014

I'm more concerned about not being able to search all desks and such for motifs or recipes, since these we can not find outside in any barrels and crates.
Buying them in a guild store or in zone chat is alreay expensive, but they will cost a fortune when the justice system is out, I bet.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Simple answer: Don't get caught.

If you do get caught, Deny everything, Admit nothing, Demand proof.

Rosveen · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Simple answer: Don't get caught.

If you do get caught, Deny everything, Admit nothing, Demand proof.

I'm afraid Tamriel is the kind of place where they shoot first and ask questions later.

starkerealm · October 2014

Raygee wrote: »

I'm more concerned about not being able to search all desks and such for motifs or recipes, since these we can not find outside in any barrels and crates.
Buying them in a guild store or in zone chat is alreay expensive, but they will cost a fortune when the justice system is out, I bet.

I've found level 10 and 15 recipes do drop from enemies, rarely. But, because of how the recipes drop now, blue level 10 and 15 recipes can already climb into the 10-20k range in the guild stores. The other green recipes are just flat out vendor trash, right now. But they do drop, rarely.

If Provisioning is supposed to live under the Justice system, it needs to be completely rethought. If players could craft copies of their recipes that could be then learned by other players, this would probably work, but the way it's looking, it will mess over provisioners.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Rosveen wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Simple answer: Don't get caught.

If you do get caught, Deny everything, Admit nothing, Demand proof.

I'm afraid Tamriel is the kind of place where they shoot first and ask questions later.

Semper Gumby.

starkerealm · October 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

Nihili wrote: »

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

They are saying if you activate your justice system flag and loot barrels and stuff you can sell what you get.
If you loot without the flag being on, then the loot is unsellable, usable but not sellable.
Basically if you bypass the risk you can't make money off it.

Okay, seriously, don't take this the wrong way, but I really, really want to believe that. Please, tell me you have a link.

arena25 · October 2014

Well, the question is when the Justice System comes out.

Varicite · October 2014

Towns and cities are such a tiny part of the entire game world.

Provisioning ingredients can be found literally everywhere else as well, which you can take w/out anyone batting an eyelash.

I don't see this being an issue. You just won't be able to rob the locals blind multiple times every day anymore w/out repercussion.

Tyr · October 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

Nihili wrote: »

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

They are saying if you activate your justice system flag and loot barrels and stuff you can sell what you get.
If you loot without the flag being on, then the loot is unsellable, usable but not sellable.
Basically if you bypass the risk you can't make money off it.

There is no justice system flag. There is only an enforcer tabard that toggles you into PvP.

If you want to loot something owned in a container it will only give you the option to steal it at the risk of a bounty.

Grim13 · October 2014

If you don't get caught...

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · October 2014

They are going to change provision radically soon with much fever ingredients where they say that instead of looting towns you have to go out and get the materials in more "natural" spots.

AlexDougherty · October 2014

starkerealm wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

Nihili wrote: »

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

They are saying if you activate your justice system flag and loot barrels and stuff you can sell what you get.
If you loot without the flag being on, then the loot is unsellable, usable but not sellable.
Basically if you bypass the risk you can't make money off it.

Okay, seriously, don't take this the wrong way, but I really, really want to believe that. Please, tell me you have a link.

No, I was translating what @AshySamurai was saying into more obvious language, I presume @AshySamurai has seen something with that information.

AshySamurai · October 2014

Nihili wrote: »

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

@Nihili, sorry for all this^^ Sometimes I surf forum and answer on my Android phone and it's a real pain to write long words, so I use acronims and abbreviations.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

Nihili wrote: »

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

They are saying if you activate your justice system flag and loot barrels and stuff you can sell what you get.
If you loot without the flag being on, then the loot is unsellable, usable but not sellable.
Basically if you bypass the risk you can't make money off it.

Okay, seriously, don't take this the wrong way, but I really, really want to believe that. Please, tell me you have a link.

No, I was translating what @AshySamurai was saying into more obvious language, I presume @AshySamurai has seen something with that information.

Yep, you "translated" correct. Thanks a lot

starkerealm wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

AFAIK, you can flag yourself for JS. So, turn it off and loot all barrels, crates and etc. IMO the only difference will be if your JS flag is on and you steal it - you can sell it. And if JS flag is off, you can't sell it. IMO very simple solution.

Nihili wrote: »

...I- I don't know what you're trying to say… Too many acronyms and abbreviations

They are saying if you activate your justice system flag and loot barrels and stuff you can sell what you get.
If you loot without the flag being on, then the loot is unsellable, usable but not sellable.
Basically if you bypass the risk you can't make money off it.

Okay, seriously, don't take this the wrong way, but I really, really want to believe that. Please, tell me you have a link.

I don't have any proof. It's all my thoughts. And as @AlexDougherty‌ mentoined, you need to be stealth to steal, so maybe it's a much more simplier: no stealth - no stealing. Again - I don't have any proof of it. It's all my thoughts!

Chufu · October 2014

Oh the justice system will be great for provisioners!

It is possible to steal a lot of ingredients and when you craft them, the item is no longer "stolen", isn't it?

I remember other Elder Scrolls-Games, where I stole everything and crafted it

I used my gold then for other things then crafting materials.

AlexDougherty · October 2014

AshySamurai wrote: »

I don't have any proof. It's all my thoughts. And as @AlexDougherty‌ mentoined, you need to be stealth to steal, so maybe it's a much more simplier: no stealth - no stealing. Again - I don't have any proof of it. It's all my thoughts!

Well, there have been several posts by Mods say that you need to be in stealth mode to steal, can't remeber which threads though. And your thoughts do make sense, so here's hoping that the devs do something similar.

There has even been a few mod posts saying you need to opt into the justice system, which seems to mean putting a tabard on. So it does look hopeful.

Merlin13KAGL · October 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

I don't have any proof. It's all my thoughts. And as @AlexDougherty‌ mentoined, you need to be stealth to steal, so maybe it's a much more simplier: no stealth - no stealing. Again - I don't have any proof of it. It's all my thoughts!

Well, there have been several posts by Mods say that you need to be in stealth mode to steal, can't remeber which threads though. And your thoughts do make sense, so here's hoping that the devs do something similar.

There has even been a few mod posts saying you need to opt into the justice system, which seems to mean putting a tabard on. So it does look hopeful.

Think you steal regardless. Think you just need stealth mode if you want a chance to not get caught.

In regard to the OP, two words:

Bandit Caves.

Crescent · October 2014

It's going to make the stupid motifs even more rare than they already are, as if 35-50k motifs weren't bad enough already on top of the set items that are going for 35-40k.

I hated the Justice system from the first time they announced it. It's some stupid implementation of PvP in PvE environments, and people will grief the crap out of others by killing merchants.

You can expect organized, most geared guilds to go on griefing sprees.