DK's Inferno skill needs a redesign

Maulkin · October 2014

This skill was probably of little use form the start but some changes in the recent months, have rendered it completely useless. I've not seen a single DK running it in months.

The changes that affected its viability were
a) The raising of soft-caps
b) The reduction in ult generation from AoEs

Losing your magicka regen and paying 25mgk per sec, for a 50hp AoE and some utility is rather pointless. Especially for magicka builds that run high magicka regen.

This skill needs a redesign at some point, though this is not a priority by all accounts. Still there's many changes that could be made which could make a DK at least consider having it on their bar.

1) Remove the base cost per sec, but leave the magicka regen stopped.
2) Increase the base cost per sec but resume the magicka regen.
3) Remove the damage altogether from the morphs and make it a utility toggle like inner light. So basically it cost a % of max magicka on activation
4) Increase the damage to make it something worth spending all that magicka on.

Any more ideas welcome.

schroed360 · October 2014

Totally agree that this skill need a redesign . In my opinion it should not stop your regen or as you said if so cost no more magika ...In fact either of your solution is better than what we have now.

Gorthax · October 2014

I actually use this in my human torch build. I can literally stand there, take little damage, and get HUGE magicka returns. I agree that it does need a redesign but currently how it is it works good in my build. A few heavy attacks can out return the magicka lost

Emperor · October 2014

It either needs the magicka cost lowered or the damage increased to make it viable to use.

Maulkin · October 2014

Gorthax wrote: »

I actually use this in my human torch build. I can literally stand there, take little damage, and get HUGE magicka returns. I agree that it does need a redesign but currently how it is it works good in my build. A few heavy attacks can out return the magicka lost

Where is that applicable out of curiosity? Where do you use your human torch build?

Getting huge magicka returns implies you're using Sea Of Flames and getting loads of kills. And when you say "stand there, take little damage" it implies you are fighting low level mobs, perhaps? So I guess I'm asking, are you using it for grinding or farming mats and gold?

It could be used in grinding I guess, but you'd still get better magicka return and much higher DPS by spamming Impulse (from the Destruction Expert passive), than sitting there doing heavy attacks with Sea Of Flames toggled.

In end-game content, whether that is competitive PvE or PvP, this skill is not even considered as a contender to be on the bar. In fact, all DKs in my guild (me included) don't even have skill points allocated to it any more.

tinythinker · October 2014

I am also curious about where/how this Human Torch build is used but also what it looks like. I tried very briefly to come up with some way to make Inferno a useful part of a build when using my DK, but apart from fighting generic mobs (especially while over-leveled) it didn't seem to be that great.

Gorthax · October 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-juUa-lmzo

That is my build right there, and it was back when SoF actually gave magicka back. Now it does not return magicka. At least I have not seen it proc lately

Gorthax · October 2014

Grinding is what I use it for. It is also a nice little distraction for people in pvp. Activate and go crazy in the middle of things and have a couple buddies healing me. I am not competitive in pvp, I just like to have fun. I alternate builds when I go to pvp depending on what it is I want to do in there

This video was taken 5 months ago.

Gorthax · October 2014

Back then SoF+impulse+WoE(depending which DS killed the mob(s) ) was returning lots of magicka but for some reason as of today you can not get SoF to work with impulse or WoE. You either get the proc from a destruction spell killing something and ignore the SoF text or get the SoF return and ignore the DS proc.

Nestor · October 2014

I like Sea of Flames. I put on 3 Magic Regen pieces and can pretty much keep this running forever. Of course using any other attacks depletes to pool and all the regen is used up maintaining the flames. But, it can be quite effective to ignite Sea of Flames, hold block, then use Burning Embers (the DoT Blade Attack) and spin around hitting the mobs. One or two spins and everyone is dead.

What I do wish is the Sea of Flames would distinguish when the mobs are dead.

Maulkin · October 2014

Thanks for the vid Gorthax. The fact SoF is overriden by Destruction Expert is not really an issue for me, otherwise you could have a magicka return overkill in PvE. Also personally my build is based around spell (rather than weapon) damage, so I'd choose one or the other anyway.

The problem is that it's not sustainable in any competitive setting. Grinding low level mobs? Sure. Veteran dungeons, trials, competitive PvP...not really. You'll go OOM very very quickly

mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO · October 2014

I have it on my bar and it works great for a stamina build Dk. Low magicka cost (for a stamina build) and it gives you 13% more critical on all your skills.

But for a magicka build? I guess its not worth it.

Gorthax · October 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thanks for the vid Gorthax. The fact SoF is overriden by Destruction Expert is not really an issue for me, otherwise you could have a magicka return overkill in PvE. Also personally my build is based around spell (rather than weapon) damage, so I'd choose one or the other anyway.

The problem is that it's not sustainable in any competitive setting. Grinding low level mobs? Sure. Veteran dungeons, trials, competitive PvP...not really. You'll go OOM very very quickly

Competitive wise yes you are correct. Though when I use this build in pvp it is just meant to be a human bomb lol run in, pull focus, get healed, keep pulling focus, and hopefully someone comes in and murders them :P I just like to have fun, being competitive ruins the game for me.

If I cant have fun in my own way, without getting angry cuz I died, then why do I even play. Would I like to see sea of flames get buffed and made viable for people who are competitive? hell yea

but taking on mobs in that video (4 levels higher even a couple elite mobs) it does its job as you can see.

Plus, as you can also see, magicka is not really a huge issue (back then). I wish the tooltip for SoF was more accurate. I.E. "when a mob dies FROM sea of flames" not "when a mob dies IN sea of flames"

Thechemicals · October 2014

oh so you dont know how to get back magicka with inferno on? Yeah um get a magicak recovery glyph for wpns then put on something like syrabane.

Gorthax · October 2014

I know how >_> thats not the problem. Thanks though :P

Maulkin · October 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

oh so you dont know how to get back magicka with inferno on? Yeah um get a magicak recovery glyph for wpns then put on something like syrabane.

Care to explain? Getting magicka from Syrabane is quite different to getting magicka from Inferno.

Gorthax · October 2014

I think he just wanted to sound cool with a tidbit of info semi related to the topic at hand :P