Nestor wrote: »

What incentives?

The Undaunted "guild" will have an expanded role in update 5. They will have two "dailies" which are dungeon quests (one for veteran dungeons and one for normal dungeons) that will be available at level 45. completing these dungeon runs will provide bronze, silver and gold keys which can open the corresponding bronze, silver and gold chests at their new headquarters for loot.

The idea is to incentivize dungeon runs and make them more popular and easier to find a group for.

Nestor wrote: »

(I usually do them over leveled as it's hard to find groups when I am at the level I should be)

Which is exactly the reason that I was stunned that they didn't address this. Running dungeons should always be a good option. The "run and done" mechanic they have now means people only run it once. Which leads to very few people queuing for dungeons. It's great they did something about this for level 45+ but I was kind of hoping the incentives would be for all levels. A healthy dungeon running community would add a lot to this game (which, honestly, feels like a SP a lot of the time)

Nestor wrote: »

The scaling for the dungeons should help with this, at least for loot purposes.

How does dungeon scaling help incentivize running dungeons at the level they are designed for?
Best case scenario you find someone who wildly outlevels the content and its either impossible (if they're the group leader), or a cake walk (if the lower level is the group leader).

Scaling is a solution for incentivizing dungeons runs at or near the cap, we also need incentives to run dungeons while we're leveling there.

loudent wrote: »

So the new dungeon incentives are only for those level 45 and up? How come no incentive to group up as you're leveling? I don't want to go through the whole game and then run the dungeons when I get to the top, I want to run them at their intended level. How come the incentives start at 45?

It's an Undaunted incentive...one for being close to mastering the Undaunted line - which is likely not going to occur below L45.

You can still run the group dungeons, over and over, and get great XP's, loot, and experience.

They're hardly asking you to wait to run the dungeons until L45. If you do wait until then, you're probably not going to be able to complete the dailies anyway.

The dungeons are still well worth the reward on the way up, the dailies just end up giving a little (and it is little) bonus for repeating what you've already done.

They figure you're around L45 by the time you finish the Vault's of Madness as it is.

Run the dungeons, every chance you get. Once you've gotten up there, sign your name on the line, as you will have earned it.

loudent wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The scaling for the dungeons should help with this, at least for loot purposes.

How does dungeon scaling help incentivize running dungeons at the level they are designed for?
Best case scenario you find someone who wildly outlevels the content and its either impossible (if they're the group leader), or a cake walk (if the lower level is the group leader).

Scaling is a solution for incentivizing dungeons runs at or near the cap, we also need incentives to run dungeons while we're leveling there.

Or you find a group that is at or near your level, as intended.

You get incentives to run dungeons while you're leveling there...they give gold, loot, and XP's!?

Have you set foot in one to see the rewards, or just preemptively complaining?

As I see it, before 45 the incentive is doing the quests, getting the skillpoints and leveling Undaunted. This encourages you to run all dungeons at least once at their appropriate level. It isn't until level 45 that you've gained all basic benefits and need additional reasons to go back and run all these dungeons again.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

loudent wrote: »

So the new dungeon incentives are only for those level 45 and up? How come no incentive to group up as you're leveling? I don't want to go through the whole game and then run the dungeons when I get to the top, I want to run them at their intended level. How come the incentives start at 45?

It's an Undaunted incentive...one for being close to mastering the Undaunted line - which is likely not going to occur below L45.

You can still run the group dungeons, over and over, and get great XP's, loot, and experience.

They're hardly asking you to wait to run the dungeons until L45. If you do wait until then, you're probably not going to be able to complete the dailies anyway.

The dungeons are still well worth the reward on the way up, the dailies just end up giving a little (and it is little) bonus for repeating what you've already done.

They figure you're around L45 by the time you finish the Vault's of Madness as it is.

Run the dungeons, every chance you get. Once you've gotten up there, sign your name on the line, as you will have earned it.

loudent wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The scaling for the dungeons should help with this, at least for loot purposes.

How does dungeon scaling help incentivize running dungeons at the level they are designed for?
Best case scenario you find someone who wildly outlevels the content and its either impossible (if they're the group leader), or a cake walk (if the lower level is the group leader).

Scaling is a solution for incentivizing dungeons runs at or near the cap, we also need incentives to run dungeons while we're leveling there.

Or you find a group that is at or near your level, as intended.

You get incentives to run dungeons while you're leveling there...they give gold, loot, and XP's!?

Have you set foot in one to see the rewards, or just preemptively complaining?

But chance is you won't find a group, because you get not much gold, the loot isn't anything special and XPs are abyssmal if you already did the quest. So people below 45 will do dungeons just once mostly, if at all. Since it's better to wait till you've hit 45 anyways.

So this will hurt the low level dungeon game, although it should greatly improve dungeons as an endgame option or means getting there.

pppontus wrote: »

Because you don't have access to all the normal dungeons before level 45 where you are on level for the last group dungeon (Coldharbour), and group dungeons will NOT scale down in level, so if you could do the dailies they could be for running a dungeon that you can not do which would be even more annoying. You still get skill points, the quest, etc. when running the dungeons before L45 and with the new LFG tool it should hopefully (we'll have to see on live) be easier to find a properly leveled group for all the normal dungeons. And then at 45 there will be incentive to do them again. I think this is the best solution.

Just imagine the QQ when someone could not do the daily dungeon quest because of their low level.. sadly, it's better to not give the option. You won't have much use for that low level undaunted loot anyway since you'll outlevel it long before gathering even 2 pieces.

It's really not that hard to adjust the daily by level so every level range gats it's own. Heck, if you look at the dungeon list in the group finder tool,right now, it gives you a filtered list based on your level. Just have it pick one of those.

Rosveen wrote: »

As I see it, before 45 the incentive is doing the quests, getting the skillpoints and leveling Undaunted. This encourages you to run all dungeons at least once at their appropriate level. It isn't until level 45 that you've gained all basic benefits and need additional reasons to go back and run all these dungeons again.

yes, the first time you run a dungeon it is fantastic. Get some skillpoints, level undaunted, huge XP boost some achievements. Great stuff!

The next time? The loot is nothing special (and you'll outgrow it in a few hours), the XP is notably worse than just questing so people don't run them. If you want people to run dungeons that has to be a benefit of some sort. They're fun the first time, but after that you know the story and it's just going place to place and fighting the same setup all over again. At least with questing you go to new places and meet new npcs and do different things.

In the end all my characters will be max level and it won't matter to me, but every day people leave this game for one reason or another and we need new people to join. If they can't find groups as they're leveling up they may not bother to stick with it.

Mercurio wrote: »

I believe the reward for low levels is something called "XP". Also, gear.

both the XP and Gear are subpar to normal adventuring once you've done the dungeons once. That is the reason it is so difficult finding a group. Did you even read past the first post?