Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny
Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.
Keep crying they listen.
Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.
Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...
Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.
As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.
Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.
Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...
You shouldn't feel like you can jump into a zerg by yourself in a non-tank build in the first place, and have any chance of doing anything but exploding. And if you are in a tank build, you shouldn't have much chance of killing anyone. RIght now vamps have both when played like this. If you don't use it like this, more power to you, but it happens over and over, every day in Cyrodil, and its stupid.
If u die to it, it's ur own stupid fault. A good vamp tank can jump into a zerg of bad players and get some kills, but anyone of minor intelligence should be able to stop him. I thought zos was done nerfing things people refused to learn to play around, but I guess not
You realize they nerfed the heal on dev swarm, not the dmg? or clouding swarm in anyway at all? fail to see how that will help you when you die in one second to it during lag.Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny
Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.
Keep crying they listen.
Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.
Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...
Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.
As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.
Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.
Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...
You shouldn't feel like you can jump into a zerg by yourself in a non-tank build in the first place, and have any chance of doing anything but exploding. And if you are in a tank build, you shouldn't have much chance of killing anyone. RIght now vamps have both when played like this. If you don't use it like this, more power to you, but it happens over and over, every day in Cyrodil, and its stupid.
If u die to it, it's ur own stupid fault. A good vamp tank can jump into a zerg of bad players and get some kills, but anyone of minor intelligence should be able to stop him. I thought zos was done nerfing things people refused to learn to play around, but I guess not
Only time I die to this tactic is in confined spaces, or when I lag and the bats don't display until after I'm dead.
The first is a legitimate tactical issue, and the sort of thing that makes the game fun.
The second happens all the time and gives you no chance to react, and has resulted in players demanding a fix. We can blame it on ZOS that they couldn't get rid of lag in Cyrodil, but it had to be addressed in some way. Too much damage in too short of a time with that much lag, especially when it seems pbaoes are the only things that function properly when the lag really starts up...
Did I mention the aoe moves with the vamp, and sets this skill apart from every other skill in the game that does significant damage? Of course, you know that already...
This was a needed correction to the game. You are entitled to your opinion, but the l2p crap has got to stop. I shut down bat swarm all the time with negate even to the point of following emperors around just waiting for their bats to appear, roll and teleport out of it within a split second of hearing or seeing bats, and even made some use out of turn undead for awhile just to get an idea of how many vamps really were in Cyrodil. Yet, I still die to batswarming, pulsar spamming vamps in what seems one second to me, but must in reality have been 4 seconds or so of damage before I am given any indication that it is happening...this is stupid.
You realize they nerfed the heal on dev swarm, not the dmg? or clouding swarm in anyway at all? fail to see how that will help you when you die in one second to it during lag.Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny
Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.
Keep crying they listen.
Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.
Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...
Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.
As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.
Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.
Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...
You shouldn't feel like you can jump into a zerg by yourself in a non-tank build in the first place, and have any chance of doing anything but exploding. And if you are in a tank build, you shouldn't have much chance of killing anyone. RIght now vamps have both when played like this. If you don't use it like this, more power to you, but it happens over and over, every day in Cyrodil, and its stupid.
If u die to it, it's ur own stupid fault. A good vamp tank can jump into a zerg of bad players and get some kills, but anyone of minor intelligence should be able to stop him. I thought zos was done nerfing things people refused to learn to play around, but I guess not
Only time I die to this tactic is in confined spaces, or when I lag and the bats don't display until after I'm dead.
The first is a legitimate tactical issue, and the sort of thing that makes the game fun.
The second happens all the time and gives you no chance to react, and has resulted in players demanding a fix. We can blame it on ZOS that they couldn't get rid of lag in Cyrodil, but it had to be addressed in some way. Too much damage in too short of a time with that much lag, especially when it seems pbaoes are the only things that function properly when the lag really starts up...
Did I mention the aoe moves with the vamp, and sets this skill apart from every other skill in the game that does significant damage? Of course, you know that already...
This was a needed correction to the game. You are entitled to your opinion, but the l2p crap has got to stop. I shut down bat swarm all the time with negate even to the point of following emperors around just waiting for their bats to appear, roll and teleport out of it within a split second of hearing or seeing bats, and even made some use out of turn undead for awhile just to get an idea of how many vamps really were in Cyrodil. Yet, I still die to batswarming, pulsar spamming vamps in what seems one second to me, but must in reality have been 4 seconds or so of damage before I am given any indication that it is happening...this is stupid.
also, that has nothing to do with batswam at all. tht is lag, and in lag, nothing works; so nerfing abilities to be less op in lag in may be the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
Tintinabula wrote: »Too bad ZOS can NERF skils but not fix them. Ive been going perma invis after using swarm for the last two months. Having to stop combat so I can see my toon is utterly idiotic.
Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny
Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.
Keep crying they listen.
Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.
Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...
Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.
As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.
Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.
Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...
You shouldn't feel like you can jump into a zerg by yourself in a non-tank build in the first place, and have any chance of doing anything but exploding. And if you are in a tank build, you shouldn't have much chance of killing anyone. RIght now vamps have both when played like this. If you don't use it like this, more power to you, but it happens over and over, every day in Cyrodil, and its stupid.
you are.. are nightblade... and you're getting mad.. OVER A STEALTH ABILITY?Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »Oils. Negate. Turn undead. Fire ring. Dodge roll. I can't remember the last time I died from a bat swarm that wasn't from a streak/bat spamming emperor. And even those were not that often.
SO i have to already have oil set up and hope he comes to me? Negate is a sorc skill, turn undead doesnt work when they use immovable and thats not an ability with much utility or even on peoples bars for PVP, Not sure about fire ring?.. is that a templar skill? Dodge roll works unless they stick to you and im talking about encounters when they are against you not people standing in a zerg. When the zerg dies to batswarm i am not one of them, Im talking about when the batswarmer is targetting you.
You can defend this ability all you want but you know the PVP game would be a much better place without it.
Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »*yawn* Another "This skill is killing me, nerf if please" thread...
Actually no, i dont die that often, This skill hits me but i usually get away, But this single skill is the determining factor for who wins and loses most large battles. Have you seen zone chat in Cyrodiil, Everyone and their mom hates this skill because it is ruining PVP.
I dont want things nerf'd, I want things balanced and the best possible PVP. I could and have used this skill, but it seemed unfair when i did, so i dropped it. When i kill someone I want it be legit and meaningful, not from cheap invisible batswarm.
The problem is when there are a group of 5+ vamp tanks with similar build and one templar. Then these 6 players can make a big mess unless they face a bomb group. Any other group will have big troubles with them.If u die to it, it's ur own stupid fault. A good vamp tank can jump into a zerg of bad players and get some kills, but anyone of minor intelligence should be able to stop him. I thought zos was done nerfing things people refused to learn to play around, but I guess not
Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny
Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.
Keep crying they listen.
Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.
Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...
Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.
As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.
Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.
Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...
You shouldn't feel like you can jump into a zerg by yourself in a non-tank build in the first place, and have any chance of doing anything but exploding. And if you are in a tank build, you shouldn't have much chance of killing anyone. RIght now vamps have both when played like this. If you don't use it like this, more power to you, but it happens over and over, every day in Cyrodil, and its stupid.
My point is that you guys find it OP and at the same time you dont wanna be infected..It does not make any sence at all.
Is it the fire weakness you afraid of or the reduced health recovery?
I dont like blazing shields neither some other spells,if i could do something to have them aswell i would not comment anything i would get them
So,if some players are risky with fire and get vampirism when you dont want to risk that is your problem. Its something that some can do and others cant do.
No point on complaining about it,no point at all.All classes have powerfull synergies with bat swarm you can all try it
But as i said before...If your lady/dude player gets ugly face and you dont wanna have ugly face...Your problem and definately no right to compain because simply i have it and you can have it.
I've yet to get hit with a bow for more than 800 damage. Need to change your play style, son.sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »*yawn* Another "This skill is killing me, nerf if please" thread...
Actually no, i dont die that often, This skill hits me but i usually get away, But this single skill is the determining factor for who wins and loses most large battles. Have you seen zone chat in Cyrodiil, Everyone and their mom hates this skill because it is ruining PVP.
I dont want things nerf'd, I want things balanced and the best possible PVP. I could and have used this skill, but it seemed unfair when i did, so i dropped it. When i kill someone I want it be legit and meaningful, not from cheap invisible batswarm.
.. you want things balanced? Yet you use bows that hit for over 2k. Give me a break, you're like the people whining over streak sorcs being able to counter zergs, then 20 minutes later say " Impulse Zergs ruin this game " Spam your stealth and run away like all nightsblades are able to.
I've yet to get hit with a bow for more than 800 damage. Need to change your play style, son.sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »*yawn* Another "This skill is killing me, nerf if please" thread...
Actually no, i dont die that often, This skill hits me but i usually get away, But this single skill is the determining factor for who wins and loses most large battles. Have you seen zone chat in Cyrodiil, Everyone and their mom hates this skill because it is ruining PVP.
I dont want things nerf'd, I want things balanced and the best possible PVP. I could and have used this skill, but it seemed unfair when i did, so i dropped it. When i kill someone I want it be legit and meaningful, not from cheap invisible batswarm.
.. you want things balanced? Yet you use bows that hit for over 2k. Give me a break, you're like the people whining over streak sorcs being able to counter zergs, then 20 minutes later say " Impulse Zergs ruin this game " Spam your stealth and run away like all nightsblades are able to.
I've yet to get hit with a bow for more than 800 damage. Need to change your play style, son.sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »*yawn* Another "This skill is killing me, nerf if please" thread...
Actually no, i dont die that often, This skill hits me but i usually get away, But this single skill is the determining factor for who wins and loses most large battles. Have you seen zone chat in Cyrodiil, Everyone and their mom hates this skill because it is ruining PVP.
I dont want things nerf'd, I want things balanced and the best possible PVP. I could and have used this skill, but it seemed unfair when i did, so i dropped it. When i kill someone I want it be legit and meaningful, not from cheap invisible batswarm.
.. you want things balanced? Yet you use bows that hit for over 2k. Give me a break, you're like the people whining over streak sorcs being able to counter zergs, then 20 minutes later say " Impulse Zergs ruin this game " Spam your stealth and run away like all nightsblades are able to.
You've had plenty of chances, lol. I listen for the sound and dodge. I also constantly move. I spam cloak. Lastly, I've invested into very high armor. Hard to get hit with lethal arrow this way.Princess_Asgari wrote: »I've yet to get hit with a bow for more than 800 damage. Need to change your play style, son.sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »*yawn* Another "This skill is killing me, nerf if please" thread...
Actually no, i dont die that often, This skill hits me but i usually get away, But this single skill is the determining factor for who wins and loses most large battles. Have you seen zone chat in Cyrodiil, Everyone and their mom hates this skill because it is ruining PVP.
I dont want things nerf'd, I want things balanced and the best possible PVP. I could and have used this skill, but it seemed unfair when i did, so i dropped it. When i kill someone I want it be legit and meaningful, not from cheap invisible batswarm.
.. you want things balanced? Yet you use bows that hit for over 2k. Give me a break, you're like the people whining over streak sorcs being able to counter zergs, then 20 minutes later say " Impulse Zergs ruin this game " Spam your stealth and run away like all nightsblades are able to.
I got a NB i can pay you a visit with.
Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »My main issue is with the Invisibility morph
I know this has been brought up alot and there have been many discusions on it,... But if you keep bringing something up it seems to be the only way for it to really be reconized by the DEVs.
I didnt just die to the ability and come here to complain, i have been in Cyrodiil since the beginning, i am currently Alliance Rank 18b and mainly solo.
There are certain abilities on the battle field which really hurt the enjoyment of the game. It not just the ability but how often it happens. I dont die that often but when i do i can usually look at my death log and there will be damage from it somewhere in there.
Batswarm invisibility morph is just frankly.... too powerful, it is very hard to counter when you cant target the player. Immovable on top of this gives you zero counters.
Lets look at batswarm invisibility morph
Its 6 seconds of safety while dealing alot of aoe damage.
More aoe damage than most single target ultimates.
It is NOT a focus and there is no way to interupt it.
The caster is free to use other abilities at the same time and even block.
The caster also gets to regain life, stamina, and magika while using it.
Unlike other aoe ultimates (Standard)(Viel Blades) you can move batswarm
Invisiibility will not save you and if you run they can stick to you.
Even blocking it will do over 1200 damage to you while you cant block impulse
Fear is the only counter and Immovable takes that away.
Very low ultimate cost, Its basically always ready to use and when you kill with it, it makes it available to use again.
I just dont think an ability shoud have all these benefits with very little weaknesses.
What do i suggest?
Take away the invisibility morph and change it to something else.
OR
make it so you cannot move while in batswarm.
OR
Since it is an amazing ultimate make the cost reflect that... 600 ultimate just like Werewolf
One more note, Recently i went vamp and i tried bat swarm for 2 days and it just felt cheap, no one could beat me 1v1, and i won 95% of my 1v2s with it. There was no challenge with it, it felt like i was cheating and i dropped vamp. I currently use Viel of Blades or Death Stroke
Pirhana Shadowblade
NB Med Armor Bow / DW V12 AR 18b
Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny
Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.
Keep crying they listen.
Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.
Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...
Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.
As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.
Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.
Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...
You shouldn't feel like you can jump into a zerg by yourself in a non-tank build in the first place, and have any chance of doing anything but exploding. And if you are in a tank build, you shouldn't have much chance of killing anyone. RIght now vamps have both when played like this. If you don't use it like this, more power to you, but it happens over and over, every day in Cyrodil, and its stupid.
My point is that you guys find it OP and at the same time you dont wanna be infected..It does not make any sence at all.
Is it the fire weakness you afraid of or the reduced health recovery?
I dont like blazing shields neither some other spells,if i could do something to have them aswell i would not comment anything i would get them
So,if some players are risky with fire and get vampirism when you dont want to risk that is your problem. Its something that some can do and others cant do.
No point on complaining about it,no point at all.All classes have powerfull synergies with bat swarm you can all try it
But as i said before...If your lady/dude player gets ugly face and you dont wanna have ugly face...Your problem and definately no right to compain because simply i have it and you can have it.
I don't want to be a vampire because I don't want to be a vampire. This is a not Vampire Scrolls Online, though I've seen it called that on more than one occasion. The game should not be based on everyone being a vampire. That is just *** stupid.