Where's the "Disagree - Dislike" button?!!

Voodoo · October 2014

So far we have; Insightful, Agree, Awesome, LOL. As a means to express our opinion without replying.

Why would you the developers NOT add a opposition to "Agree"? Is LOL a water down response to not agreeing? A poll on that subject in these forums, when last I checked was about a 50/50 split on using LOL as the disagree/dislike option.

Now I can understand wanting the forums to remain a warm and fuzzy bundle of joyous love and comradery. But lets face it. The forums are a place for OPEN discussion, opinion, and EXPRESSION.

Adding another option to the bottom options category that allows for the complete circle of expression is not only in the spirit of true forum conversation and expression but IMO it may even cut down on a few slanderous reply posts.

I believe it would be good to have both Disagree & Dislike categories added to the bottom of each post/reply, but if trying to keep this forum with its brightest halo above its head then perhaps just the Disagree option would be good enough.

Let me know if you gals/guys agree or not!?

..oops wait you cant disagree unless you post your disagreement!

eventide03b14a_ESO · October 2014

LOL has been adopted as the unofficial disagree button.

Inversus · October 2014

It was removed due to abuse during the beta, we did have a disagree button.
If they made it so the disagree button wasn't tallied up on your profile, and didn't remove pts or anything, then I think a disagree button would be useful on posts.

The issue was there were cases where members would disagree every single post their target user made, but I don't see why this would be an issue if they made sure disagrees didn't affect the person they are targeted at since it would be useful as it was in the beta.

ers101284b14_ESO · October 2014

They didn't add one because they don't want people to make you cry.

Voodoo · October 2014

@‌Inversus
Interesting. I did not know that about beta..I was in beta and on forums, hmm ya certainly they could flip it around so that you can get a badge called "Thick Hide" after so many disagrees.

That's the thing ...other than a few bad apples (always the vast minority) there is nothing wrong with disagreement.

Ohwell, how about Disapprove lol! Having LOL in there is sad.

Asgari · October 2014

Voodoo wrote: »

So far we have; Insightful, Agree, Awesome, LOL. As a means to express our opinion without replying.

Why would you the developers NOT add a opposition to "Agree"? Is LOL a water down response to not agreeing? A poll on that subject in these forums, when last I checked was about a 50/50 split on using LOL as the disagree/dislike option.

Now I can understand wanting the forums to remain a warm and fuzzy bundle of joyous love and comradery. But lets face it. The forums are a place for OPEN discussion, opinion, and EXPRESSION.

Adding another option to the bottom options category that allows for the complete circle of expression is not only in the spirit of true forum conversation and expression but IMO it may even cut down on a few slanderous reply posts.

I believe it would be good to have both Disagree & Dislike categories added to the bottom of each post/reply, but if trying to keep this forum with its brightest halo above its head then perhaps just the Disagree option would be good enough.

Let me know if you gals/guys agree or not!?

..oops wait you cant disagree unless you post your disagreement!

Dislike would fall into their naming and shaming CoC and thus will never be on here. For shame

Nox_Aeterna · October 2014

They removed it and it is unlikely they will add it back.

Do what the great majority does already if that makes you feel better and use the lol button.

Valen_Byte · October 2014

OP, I was with you on this right up until you said "gals"...dislike lol

Armitas · October 2014

If someone agrees with me I usually don't need an explanation for why they agree with me. But if someone disagrees with me I would hate to have 50 disagrees and 0 explanations. I think it's better that someone who disagrees provide a reason for their disagreement.

So lets take your OP. Which would you rather have, a counter of everyone who disagrees with you, or a list of explanations for why they disagree with you? I personally would rather have the explanations because the counter does not tell me that they have good reasons to disagree with me, just that they disagree with me.

I think a disagreement button may result in less verbal explanation because verbal explanation on the forums is to stick ones neck out to reprisal, but anonymously hitting disagree would not.

Thats my thoughts on it. IIRC the disagree system from beta was dropped on November of last year. Some guy just ran through every post and hit disagree and they axed it.

PBpsy · October 2014

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

OP, I was with you on this right up until you said "gals"...dislike lol

What is wrong with cm/s^2?

dharbert · October 2014

I think there should be a "that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, you should be punched in the throat" button.

Kreetar · October 2014

I don't know. I can definitely see your point, but people go overboard/unnecessary with the opposing reactions. I could see trolls having a field day.

Valen_Byte · October 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

OP, I was with you on this right up until you said "gals"...dislike lol

What is wrong with cm/s^2?

I was just messing around, but wth does that mean? lmao

Is it Centimeters squared plus 2? haha

driosketch · October 2014

They tried twice for the disagree/dislike button during the beta. There was also a like button that was removed because it was redundant. I'm surprised the lol button has lasted this long. After they got rid of disagree, they had to remove off-topic because it was being abused as a dislike.

Voodoo · October 2014

bah! they should just remove the whole bottom button section period then. ...

.. and Armitas not everyone wants to write a post . In fact most dont want to have to write something to have an opinion heard. How do I know?

I sell items I make online for a living and I get a ton of views and out of all those views maybe 1-9% in likes. The views tell me the item is attracting an interest. The likes tell me less because if something is viewed 14k times I would take that as a indication it is liked. rather than just the amount of likes I have... my point is ... How many people reading these posts would actually bother to take the time to reply with their disapproval? ,...the vast minority.

And as for trolls well in you communicate on the internet you better expect trolls. If you are bothered by trolls then dont communicate AS MUCH on over the internet.

kewl · October 2014

If I had a skill point for every time this subject was rehashed......it's not happening.

Voodoo · October 2014

kewl wrote: »

If I had a skill point for every time this subject was rehashed......it's not happening.

haha thanks for agreeing to "disagree!"

RSram · October 2014

Funny, I was going to post this very topic last night, but got side tracked.

The reason is simple, we live in a politically correct country now, and any negatively is strongly discouraged, unless you are engaged in politics.

I think the button achievements should be converted to skill points.

PBpsy · October 2014

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

OP, I was with you on this right up until you said "gals"...dislike lol

What is wrong with cm/s^2?

I was just messing around, but wth does that mean? lmao

Is it Centimeters squared plus 2? haha

It's cm per second squared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal_(unit)
Just a lame joke.

Valen_Byte · October 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

OP, I was with you on this right up until you said "gals"...dislike lol

What is wrong with cm/s^2?

I was just messing around, but wth does that mean? lmao

Is it Centimeters squared plus 2? haha

It's cm per second squared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal_(unit)

Ha I was just pulling that out me arse. Wasn't that far off. I'm brilliant...didn't even know it.

nerevarine1138 · October 2014

As someone else pointed out above (they seem to have been ignored), the rationale behind this isn't simply that the button was heavily trolled during beta.

If you disagree with someone, make your case. If you can't, or if you don't care enough to, then your opinion doesn't matter in the context of a discussion forum. Agreeing with someone doesn't require some kind of argument. Disagreeing with someone does.

Elvikun · October 2014

It's not Facebook, it's forums, there should be a discussion of some description taking place. If you agree and click agree, it means you align with what the poster said, no need for reposting, but if you disagree enough to stop and take notice, respond with why you disagree. Likey! and Dislikey! is not exactly helpfull. Not to the poster, not to Zen, not to the discussion, not to cows.

Gidorick · October 2014

I just came here to press the LOL button.

Voodoo · October 2014

no its not so black and white. If you agree then why do you agree? You agree word for word about what the poster said? Doubt it. No excuses to say you can click agree and have no need to post but if you disagree you are "obligated" to write a small essay on why you disagree.

Just no! Clicking disagree is easier and less time consuming ..and would have more forum contributions then constantly writing why you disagree.

Currently we have a "head in the sand approach" with the LOL (which btw I do not use as a disagree) as a PC disagree.

Time to put on the big boy pants and pony up a proper "opposite" response to the Agree button! ...or just take the agree button out.

nerevarine1138 · October 2014

Voodoo wrote: »

no its not so black and white. If you agree then why do you agree? You agree word for word about what the poster said? Doubt it. No excuses to say you can click agree and have no need to post but if you disagree you are "obligated" to write a small essay on why you disagree.

Just no! Clicking disagree is easier and less time consuming ..and would have more forum contributions then constantly writing why you disagree.

Currently we have a "head in the sand approach" with the LOL (which btw I do not use as a disagree) as a PC disagree.

Time to put on the big boy pants and pony up a proper "opposite" response to the Agree button! ...or just take the agree button out.

Now you're just being deliberately contradictory.

If you agree with the fundamental points of someone's post, then there's no value in posting "+1" or "^^". An agree button lets people express that they share the poster's ideas. If they feel there are points that need clarifying, they can post them.

You cannot disagree with someone on a discussion forum and not provide an explanation. Well, let me rephrase: you can, but your opinion then becomes inconsequential. The point of this forum is to discuss/debate ideas. If you disagree with someone, then explain why. If you can't/won't, then you don't deserve a special button to reward your laziness.

AreoHotah · October 2014

Well I dont know where it is but its defenetly not in the other dozen of similar threads like this...

Daenerys · October 2014

I believe it disappeared along with cohesive starter isle stories, miss them both :'(

Razzak · October 2014

I think OP has a point. A disagree button would make this forum a nicer place. And it would accomplish that by not having so many personal insults or other derogatory posts, as user could just press a button as opposed to writing what they think witch often turns into flaming war.
I agree with @Armitas‌ that seeing what someone disagrees with you about, is much more helpful, but in reality this often turns into an ugly two way ego fight.

nerevarine1138 · October 2014

Razzak wrote: »

I think OP has a point. A disagree button would make this forum a nicer place. And it would accomplish that by not having so many personal insults or other derogatory posts, as user could just press a button as opposed to writing what they think witch often turns into flaming war.
I agree with @Armitas‌ that seeing what someone disagrees with you about, is much more helpful, but in reality this often turns into an ugly two way ego fight.

But the proven reality of the disagree button is that it turns in to one-way trolling.

For example, there's a certain poster on these forums who just votes "LOL" on all my posts, because they've decided two things:
1) That I care.
2) That it negatively impacts me.

If this were a disagree button, I would actually be more inclined to care, because it would negatively impact my forum rating. As it stands, it simply makes people think that I'm really funny, and it allows that person to let off steam that apparently builds up from seeing posts they don't like.

Personal insults or derogatory posts appear regardless of whether there's a disagree button in place. But the moderators can easily deal with that. They can't deal with people trolling a button.

Gythral · October 2014

it's in the same location as the faction Auction House ... :-P

Razzak · October 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

I think OP has a point. A disagree button would make this forum a nicer place. And it would accomplish that by not having so many personal insults or other derogatory posts, as user could just press a button as opposed to writing what they think witch often turns into flaming war.
I agree with @Armitas‌ that seeing what someone disagrees with you about, is much more helpful, but in reality this often turns into an ugly two way ego fight.

But the proven reality of the disagree button is that it turns in to one-way trolling.

For example, there's a certain poster on these forums who just votes "LOL" on all my posts, because they've decided two things:
1) That I care.
2) That it negatively impacts me.

If this were a disagree button, I would actually be more inclined to care, because it would negatively impact my forum rating. As it stands, it simply makes people think that I'm really funny, and it allows that person to let off steam that apparently builds up from seeing posts they don't like.

Personal insults or derogatory posts appear regardless of whether there's a disagree button in place. But the moderators can easily deal with that. They can't deal with people trolling a button.

I understand. I just didn't realize that forum standings are so important. I, personally, couldn't care less about them, so I don't see how one buttons trolling is more negative than other.
Many people don't know "Lol" button is used for disagreeing. So they express their disagreement by writing. If there was a clear and logical button for this, maybe less of them would.